[opensuse] parallels vs VMware...?
Following the Autocad thread, and wondering what you pros think of parallels. I was using it quite successfully in 9.3 to host WinXP, but haven't installed it yet in 10.2. (That was just to get some Corp work in Visio here at home...) Are there any great advantages in VMware? Tom in NM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 4/21/07, Tom Patton
Following the Autocad thread, and wondering what you pros think of parallels.
I was using it quite successfully in 9.3 to host WinXP, but haven't installed it yet in 10.2. (That was just to get some Corp work in Visio here at home...)
Are there any great advantages in VMware?
I dislike parallels. It's dog slow. (without Vanderpool, as I don't have it). But if I were a Mac user I would buy it for "Coherence" technology. -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 21 April 2007 08:28, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
I dislike parallels. It's dog slow.
Very true. -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - KDE yn Gymraeg www.klebran.org.uk - Gwirydd gramadeg rhydd i'r Gymraeg www.eurfa.org.uk - Geiriadur rhydd i'r Gymraeg www.rhedadur.org.uk - Rhedeg berfau Cymraeg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Tom, I can not use it. It does not work in Linux 64b at least when I tried a couple of month ago. Vmware and Qemu work very well. I do not have experience with xen. Ciao -=terry(Denver)=- On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 22:13 -0600, Tom Patton wrote:
Following the Autocad thread, and wondering what you pros think of parallels.
I was using it quite successfully in 9.3 to host WinXP, but haven't installed it yet in 10.2. (That was just to get some Corp work in Visio here at home...)
Are there any great advantages in VMware?
Tom in NM
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On Sat 21 Apr 2007 04:13, Tom Patton wrote:
Are there any great advantages in VMware?
just . . . that VMware is a great program - marvellous to be enabled to cut & paste between Linux & Windows . . . skip or flip between the two O/S as you may prefer friendly greetings -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I was unable to get parallels to install under openSUSE 10.2 whereas the VMWare installs nicely. The new VMWare 6 beta/RC is very nice btw. - Bruce Tom Patton wrote:
Following the Autocad thread, and wondering what you pros think of parallels.
I was using it quite successfully in 9.3 to host WinXP, but haven't installed it yet in 10.2. (That was just to get some Corp work in Visio here at home...)
Are there any great advantages in VMware?
Tom in NM
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On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 22:13 -0600, Tom Patton wrote:
Following the Autocad thread, and wondering what you pros think of parallels.
I was using it quite successfully in 9.3 to host WinXP, but haven't installed it yet in 10.2. (That was just to get some Corp work in Visio here at home...)
Are there any great advantages in VMware?
Tom in NM
Well, it is telling that there have been no comments in favor of parallels...speaks well of VM! Since I have a license for parallels already, I think I'll update and install it in one of the less-critical boxes here anyway. I was just curious of the consensus view. Thanks! Tom -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Since I have a license for parallels already, I think I'll update and install it in one of the less-critical boxes here anyway. I was just curious of the consensus view. Thanks!
Great, but give VirtualBox chance as well... http://forgeftp.novell.com/lfl/.html/virtualbox.html -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Alexey, Do Virtualbox runs when the host is SuSE 10.2 64b. If it does I will try it. Now I am using VMware workstation and I love it. I also have quemu which is excellent however the accelerator is a problem with SuSE 64 and even downgrading the compiler still has problems. Thxs -=terry(Denver)=- On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 03:43 +0100, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
Since I have a license for parallels already, I think I'll update and install it in one of the less-critical boxes here anyway. I was just curious of the consensus view. Thanks!
Great, but give VirtualBox chance as well... http://forgeftp.novell.com/lfl/.html/virtualbox.html
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Teruel de Campo MD wrote:
Alexey,
Do Virtualbox runs when the host is SuSE 10.2 64b. If it does I will try it. Now I am using VMware workstation and I love it. I also have quemu which is excellent however the accelerator is a problem with SuSE 64 and even downgrading the compiler still has problems.
What about Xen? How does it compare with these other Virtualization technologies? Doesn't it use some other way of doing things? -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@buddydog.org) Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ UNIX is user-friendly. It's just a bit picky about who its friends are. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 4/23/07, Teruel de Campo MD
Alexey,
Do Virtualbox runs when the host is SuSE 10.2 64b. If it does I will try it. Now I am using VMware workstation and I love it. I also have quemu which is excellent however the accelerator is a problem with SuSE 64 and even downgrading the compiler still has problems. Thxs
hi terry Currently VirtualBox does NOT support x86-64 systems, but it may be supported in the future. As for Qemu there are 3 accelerators in existence: qvm, kqemu and kvm. Which one you use? Some of them may support x86-64, I have not checked. -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 13:35 +0300, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
Currently VirtualBox does NOT support x86-64 systems, but it may be supported in the future.
As for Qemu there are 3 accelerators in existence: qvm, kqemu and kvm. Which one you use? Some of them may support x86-64, I have not checked.
Thxs Alexey, In reference to the accelerators I only try to compile kqemu. I did not know about the other ones, in part due that I invest in Vmware and I have been happy with it. However qemu is so solid that that I will look into the other accelerators. Qemu run great without any accelerators if the guest is w2k for example but it was very slow for XP. Except for Palm desktop and a business application I do not have any use so just more "scientific curiosity" ;-) Ciao -=terry(Denver)=- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 24 April 2007 13:07, Teruel de Campo MD wrote:
Qemu run great without any accelerators if the guest is w2k
I must say that I have not found this to be the case, at least not on version 0.8.2. W2k installs ok (provided it is an early service pack version) but if you want to have the latest service packs and updates then it is essential to use an accelerator. I use Qemu to run AutoCAD LT 2006 which, if I remember rightly, requires the .NET Framework, hence the need for windows update to work. After having wasted an awful lot of time trying to get updates to work without an accelerator, I eventually caved in and installed kqemu. Since doing this I haven't had a problem with Qemu and the speed is perfectly acceptable on my 3 GHz Xeon with 1 GB of RAM. The networking is seemless too using the tap device. I have no experience of any other virtualisation software but for me Qemu is great. James. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi I would like to put a function into .bashrc file that would open a new Konsole in SUSE10.2 and cd into the result of the pwd command. Something like: pwdinnk() { p=`pwd` echo $p `dcop $KONSOLE_DCOP newSession` cd $p } Everything works except it does not change the directory. `cd $p` does not work nither. Do you have some tips? thanks oliver -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Vince, Please, please, do not use your mail client's "Reply" command to start new topics. It messes up the topic threading for the large number of users whose email clients support such things. On Wednesday 25 April 2007 09:40, Vince Oliver wrote:
Hi
I would like to put a function into .bashrc file that would open a new Konsole in SUSE10.2 and cd into the result of the pwd command. Something like:
pwdinnk() { p=`pwd` echo $p `dcop $KONSOLE_DCOP newSession` cd $p }
What value does KONSOLE_DCOP have?
Everything works except it does not change the directory. `cd $p` does not work nither. Do you have some tips?
The cd command is not sent to the new shell. When you use DCOP to manipulate KDE, you're sending a message through a centralized daemon that then dispatches or executes the command. Once the dcop command returns, you're no longer interacting with the DCOP daemon. Commands from your "pwdinnk" shell function that follow the dcop invocation are interpreted by the same shell as the one that invoked pwddinnk. Furthermore, the backticks around the dcop invocation don't seem to make any sense to me. You're telling the shell (the one executing the pwdinnk function) to take the output of the dcop command and interpret it as a command to execute. I doubt that's what you want, is it? You should read the BASH manual or some other shell documentation to learn what the backtick notation means / does. Given the indirectness of using DCOP to launch a new Konsole or create a new Konsole tab, I think the best you're going to be able to do is set up something in your .bashrc that looks for a file (probably in your home directory) that, if present, indicates extra start-up commands to execute. If present, it sources ("source", a.k.a. the "." command, is a shell built-in, which you should understand) that file and then removes it (to prevent it from being acted on by subsequently started shells).
thanks oliver
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On Wednesday 25 April 2007 09:53, Randall R Schulz wrote:
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On Wednesday 25 April 2007 09:40, Vince Oliver wrote:
Hi
I would like to put a function into .bashrc file that would open a new Konsole in SUSE10.2 and cd into the result of the pwd command. Something like:
pwdinnk() { p=`pwd` echo $p `dcop $KONSOLE_DCOP newSession` cd $p }
What value does KONSOLE_DCOP have?
After some experimentation, I came up with this: % KONSOLE_DCOP="$(dcop |egrep konsole-)" At the moment on my system, that's "konsole-7761". I assume that if no Konsole instance is running, KONSOLE_DCOP will be empty and if there are multiple instances of Konsole running, then there will be multiple konsole-#### values produced. Both of these will be special cases you'd have to deal with.
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Furthermore, the backticks around the dcop invocation don't seem to make any sense to me. You're telling the shell (the one executing the pwdinnk function) to take the output of the dcop command and interpret it as a command to execute. I doubt that's what you want, is it?
From my experiments, this invocation creates a new Konsole tab: % dcop $KONSOLE_DCOP konsole newSession session-13 With "session-13" (with numbers incrementing as new tabs are created, of course) being the output of the dcop invocation. Clearly, executing "session-13" will have no useful effect, other than to produce a diagnostic from the shell: % `dcop $KONSOLE_DCOP konsole newSession` bash: session-14: command not found To the best of my knowledge of dcop (admittedly rather limited), the approach I suggested is probably your only real option for passing commands to the newly created shell. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 09:40, Vince Oliver wrote: I would like to put a function into .bashrc file that would open a new Konsole in SUSE10.2 and cd into the result of the pwd command. Something like:
pwdinnk() { p=`pwd` echo $p `dcop $KONSOLE_DCOP newSession` cd $p }
Everything works except it does not change the directory. `cd $p` does not work nither. Do you have some tips?
Given the indirectness of using DCOP to launch a new Konsole or create a new Konsole tab, I think the best you're going to be able to do is set up something in your .bashrc that looks for a file
I'm not sure if this is helpful or not, because I don't know what Vince is really trying to do, or if he *has* to use DCOP. But if this helps any, I came across this the other day on accident: kfmclient --commands You can do a rather fascinating number of things through kfmclient, including opening a new tab in an existing Konqeror window. kfmclient newTab 'url' kfmclient exec . Single quotes work as well as ticks ( ' ), he could do something like: kfmclient newTab "$p" I have almost no idea what kfmclient is or how it is supposed to be used, but it doesn't seem to cause any harm. Maybe it would work for Vince. JW -- ---------------------- jw@mailsw.com - System Administrator - Cedar Creek Software http://www.cedarcreeksoftware.com http://jwadmin.blogspot.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Vince Oliver wrote:
Hi
I would like to put a function into .bashrc file that would open a new Konsole in SUSE10.2 and cd into the result of the pwd command. Something like:
pwdinnk() { p=`pwd` echo $p `dcop $KONSOLE_DCOP newSession` cd $p }
Everything works except it does not change the directory. `cd $p` does not work nither. Do you have some tips?
This will only work from within another Konsole. I found this works from anywhere: $ dcop --user $USER konsole-`pidof konsole` default newSession Assuming that there is a konsole running. So you could first do the pidof to get the PID of any running konsole (split it apart if there were more than one, as if two are running you get: $ pidof konsole 12311 15810 ). If none return, you can just run konsole. Here's a good link: http://docs.kde.org/userguide/kde-diy.html As far as send commands to the bash shell running there, I don't know. -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@buddydog.org) Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ UNIX is user-friendly. It's just a bit picky about who its friends are. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 11:21, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
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Here's a good link: http://docs.kde.org/userguide/kde-diy.html
Where was this when I was looking for DCOP scripting documentation a few years ago? Thanks for pointing this out. Right off I see where my previous suggestion was suboptimal. Furthermore, the answer to the primary question from the OP is given there directly, making those of us who claimed it wasn't possible flat wrong: #!/bin/sh konsole=$(dcopstart konsole-script) session=$(dcop $konsole konsole currentSession) dcop $konsole $session renameSession Local session=$(dcop $konsole konsole newSession) dcop $konsole $session renameSession Remote # Send a command to a Konsole session (tab) session=$(dcop $konsole konsole newSession) dcop $konsole $session renameSession Code dcop $konsole $session sendSession 'cd /my/work/directory'
-- Jonathan Arnold
Thanks again! Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 14:26, Randall R Schulz wrote:
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Furthermore, the answer to the primary question from the OP is given there directly, making those of us who claimed it wasn't possible flat wrong:
#!/bin/sh konsole=$(dcopstart konsole-script) session=$(dcop $konsole konsole currentSession) dcop $konsole $session renameSession Local
session=$(dcop $konsole konsole newSession) dcop $konsole $session renameSession Remote
# Send a command to a Konsole session (tab) session=$(dcop $konsole konsole newSession) dcop $konsole $session renameSession Code dcop $konsole $session sendSession 'cd /my/work/directory'
Sadly, the "sendSession" function appears to be a figment of the mind of the writer of that page. In fact, just above this example is a listing, produced by dcop itself, of the functions available, and sendSession is nowhere in evidence. And in fact, on my 10.0 system, the sample code does not work: % dcop konsole-7761 session-5 "sendSession 'dl'" no such function I'm running KDE 3.5.5 "release 45.2". Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 25 April 2007, Randall R Schulz said:
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 14:26, Randall R Schulz wrote:
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Furthermore, the answer to the primary question from the OP is given there directly, making those of us who claimed it wasn't possible flat wrong:
#!/bin/sh konsole=$(dcopstart konsole-script) session=$(dcop $konsole konsole currentSession) dcop $konsole $session renameSession Local
session=$(dcop $konsole konsole newSession) dcop $konsole $session renameSession Remote
# Send a command to a Konsole session (tab) session=$(dcop $konsole konsole newSession) dcop $konsole $session renameSession Code dcop $konsole $session sendSession 'cd /my/work/directory'
Sadly, the "sendSession" function appears to be a figment of the mind of the writer of that page. In fact, just above this example is a listing, produced by dcop itself, of the functions available, and sendSession is nowhere in evidence.
And in fact, on my 10.0 system, the sample code does not work:
% dcop konsole-7761 session-5 "sendSession 'dl'" no such function
sendSession was removed from the default dcop interface as it's a security risk. You can turn it back on by starting konsole with --script. That gets you feedSession and sendSession. feedSession just sends the text to the console, sendSession does the same and presses return immediately afterwards. Start a new konsole, open a new session within it and make that echo hello world: konsole --script& konsoleinstance=konsole-$! session=$(dcop $konsoleinstance default newSession) dcop $konsoleinstance $session sendSession "echo hello world\!" HTH Will -- Desktop Engineer Interfaces and Applications Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Will, On Thursday 26 April 2007 06:52, Will Stephenson wrote:
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% dcop konsole-7761 session-5 "sendSession 'dl'" no such function
sendSession was removed from the default dcop interface as it's a security risk. You can turn it back on by starting konsole with --script. That gets you feedSession and sendSession. feedSession just sends the text to the console, sendSession does the same and presses return immediately afterwards.
Start a new konsole, open a new session within it and make that echo hello world:
konsole --script& konsoleinstance=konsole-$! session=$(dcop $konsoleinstance default newSession) dcop $konsoleinstance $session sendSession "echo hello world\!"
HTH
Thanks for the information!
Will
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Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 14:26, Randall R Schulz wrote:
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Furthermore, the answer to the primary question from the OP is given there directly, making those of us who claimed it wasn't possible flat wrong:
#!/bin/sh konsole=$(dcopstart konsole-script) session=$(dcop $konsole konsole currentSession) dcop $konsole $session renameSession Local
session=$(dcop $konsole konsole newSession) dcop $konsole $session renameSession Remote
# Send a command to a Konsole session (tab) session=$(dcop $konsole konsole newSession) dcop $konsole $session renameSession Code dcop $konsole $session sendSession 'cd /my/work/directory'
Sadly, the "sendSession" function appears to be a figment of the mind of the writer of that page. In fact, just above this example is a listing, produced by dcop itself, of the functions available, and sendSession is nowhere in evidence.
And in fact, on my 10.0 system, the sample code does not work:
% dcop konsole-7761 session-5 "sendSession 'dl'" no such function
Here's a bug report on it: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48516 You have to start konsole with --script to get the sendAllSessions command. I don't, however, see sendSession still. -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@buddydog.org) Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ UNIX is user-friendly. It's just a bit picky about who its friends are. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jonathan Arnold wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
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Furthermore, the answer to the primary question from the OP is given there directly, making those of us who claimed it wasn't possible flat wrong:
#!/bin/sh konsole=$(dcopstart konsole-script) session=$(dcop $konsole konsole currentSession) dcop $konsole $session renameSession Local
session=$(dcop $konsole konsole newSession) dcop $konsole $session renameSession Remote
# Send a command to a Konsole session (tab) session=$(dcop $konsole konsole newSession) dcop $konsole $session renameSession Code dcop $konsole $session sendSession 'cd /my/work/directory' Sadly, the "sendSession" function appears to be a figment of the mind of
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 14:26, Randall R Schulz wrote: the writer of that page. In fact, just above this example is a listing, produced by dcop itself, of the functions available, and sendSession is nowhere in evidence.
And in fact, on my 10.0 system, the sample code does not work:
% dcop konsole-7761 session-5 "sendSession 'dl'" no such function
Here's a bug report on it:
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48516
You have to start konsole with --script to get the sendAllSessions command. I don't, however, see sendSession still.
To answer my own question - using 'kdcop' and browsing a konsole session, I can see that 'sendSession' is a session-specific dcop command. So, to send ls to a specific session: $ dcop konsole-16527 session-1 sendSession "ls -l" Cool beans. -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@buddydog.org) Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ UNIX is user-friendly. It's just a bit picky about who its friends are. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Vince Oliver -
Will Stephenson