Re: [SLE] Office 97 Users Lose Free Support
haha so you are saying a person who bought 7.0 in January 01 doesn't have support in July 01 anymore? Damn this Linux development really is a race with time...=)
From: Ben Rosenberg
To: SLE Subject: Re: [SLE] Office 97 Users Lose Free Support Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:47:32 -0700 Actually, I agree with this. It's old. 4 years old. If you notice SuSE's support supports the current version and one version back..so for example come June 15th..it will support 7.1 and 7.2 .. and at that time 7.0 will fall by the wayside. It's very hard to support software that has out lived it's lifecycle. Some may not agree with this..but then again..I don't care. ;)
Current + 1 version back is a pretty good policy. It would be nightmare to support things such as XFree86 3.3.3.1 and try to get a new video card to work..the list goes on.
I am also kinda sick to my stomach that I don't disagree with this policy.
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* Purple Shirt (purpleshirt@hotmail.com) [010604 10:45]: -> ->haha -> ->so you are saying a person who bought 7.0 in January 01 doesn't have support ->in July 01 anymore? Damn this Linux development really is a race with ->time...=) Yes, because 7.0 was released in August 2000, so it would 11 months old..hence out of lifecycle. :) When someone buys something can't be a worry that SuSE should have .. but that's just my opinion. Your right...Linux is a race...I guess it's what those "jounalists" call Internet Time. *grin* Well, when I was working in Oakland we did let people slide a bit..but only about 30 days or so after a new version # so people might be able to get support until mid-july or so. Regards, -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Ben Franklin
On the other hand, I have a machine I don't want to disturb still running
6.3,
and it's doing just fine. SuSE have just produced the 2.2.19 kernel for it,
and updated rpms continue to be released. So it's quite supported enough
to carry on with. Prior to the new kernel, I hadn't booted it for nine
months,
and with KDE running on it continuously all that time I never noticed one
jot
of performance degradation. So there's probably no need to worry too much
about your 7.0 being unusable for a year or two. It's a quality piece of
kit.
Best
Fergus
Fergus Wilde
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Manchester
M3 1SB
UK
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From: "Ben Rosenberg"
* Purple Shirt (purpleshirt@hotmail.com) [010604 10:45]: -> ->haha -> ->so you are saying a person who bought 7.0 in January 01 doesn't have support ->in July 01 anymore? Damn this Linux development really is a race with ->time...=)
With my limited financial knowledge.... The driver is the financial market, Microsoft's past success is their folly. Last quarter: http://biz.yahoo.com/e/l/m/msft.html _______________________________________________________________________ Financial Condition Cash and short-term investments totaled $30.02 billion as of March 31, 2001. Cash flow from operations was $9.84 billion in the first nine months of fiscal 2001, an increase of $1.11 billion from the first nine months of the prior year, reflecting the growth in earned and unearned revenue. _______________________________________________________________________ The financial market _requires_ an increasing revenue with an increasing earned income stream (roughly every $100 of gross revenue results in $38 of reteined earnings - May 2001 Quarterly Report) http://www.edgar-online.com/brand/eol/financial/fs.pl?sym=MSFT&id=0&op=income So how can this be _increased_??? Squeeze the customer even more - charge more, provide less, make more money, while making the customer think they are getting more for their money. This is not a conspiracy theory, just simple monopolistic capitalism. (Check if your mutual fund owns this stock - likely that it does). The real scary thing is, that every software company wants to be just like Microsoft (the ones that do not, the financial market does not understand, and thus do not have a decent stock price). Tony On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Purple Shirt wrote:
haha
so you are saying a person who bought 7.0 in January 01 doesn't have support in July 01 anymore? Damn this Linux development really is a race with time...=)
From: Ben Rosenberg
To: SLE Subject: Re: [SLE] Office 97 Users Lose Free Support Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:47:32 -0700 Actually, I agree with this. It's old. 4 years old. If you notice SuSE's support supports the current version and one version back..so for example come June 15th..it will support 7.1 and 7.2 .. and at that time 7.0 will fall by the wayside. It's very hard to support software that has out lived it's lifecycle. Some may not agree with this..but then again..I don't care. ;)
Current + 1 version back is a pretty good policy. It would be nightmare to support things such as XFree86 3.3.3.1 and try to get a new video card to work..the list goes on.
I am also kinda sick to my stomach that I don't disagree with this policy.
* Curtis Rey (crrey@home.com) [010604 09:33]: ->That's right Steve and Bill - piss off everyone! ->READ ALL ABOUT IT: ->http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,51565,00.asp -> ->Cheers. Curtis :)
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Based on what I've seen from this list, you can get help, even if it isn't
formal support, on this list for stuff going back to at least 6.4
alan
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From: "Purple Shirt"
On Tuesday 05 June 2001 01:12 am, Alan Lenton wrote:
Based on what I've seen from this list, you can get help, even if it isn't formal support, on this list for stuff going back to at least 6.4
alan
And this is exactly why the Office97 users are so screwed - they don't have a list like this. Also, if a remote root exploit is found in some software, and you happen to run an older / unsupported version of SuSE (like 6.4 or whatever), you can always just download the code and compile it yourself, to plug the hole. It's not like you are completely screwed.. where as if a way around an Office97 Word Macro check is found, then you *are* screwed, as Microsoft probably won't even make a fix available! -Steven --snip--
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Alan Lenton
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Ben Rosenberg
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Fergus Wilde
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Purple Shirt
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Steven Hatfield
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Tony Zafiropoulos