I'm cleaning out some Nvidia stuff from my computer. The two remaining packages are libdrm_nouveau2 and libdrm_nouveau2-32bit. When I try to remove them, I get a warning that removing them will break dependencies for Mesa. Will this be a problem? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 27/04/14 16:26, James Knott wrote:
I'm cleaning out some Nvidia stuff from my computer. The two remaining packages are libdrm_nouveau2 and libdrm_nouveau2-32bit. When I try to remove them, I get a warning that removing them will break dependencies for Mesa. Will this be a problem?
Yes, Mesa is an essential graphics rendering library, x11 depends on it. Dx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dylan wrote:
I'm cleaning out some Nvidia stuff from my computer. The two remaining packages are libdrm_nouveau2 and libdrm_nouveau2-32bit. When I try to remove them, I get a warning that removing them will break dependencies for Mesa. Will this be a problem?
Yes, Mesa is an essential graphics rendering library, x11 depends on it.
Even when there's no longer NVidia video on the system? I first built my current install on an old motherboard that had an NVidia card. I recently moved to a new mom board with built in Intel video. I thought Nouveau was an open source driver for NVidia video. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2014-04-27 11:40 (GMT-0400) James Knott composed:
Dylan wrote:
I'm cleaning out some Nvidia stuff from my computer. The two remaining packages are libdrm_nouveau2 and libdrm_nouveau2-32bit. When I try to remove them, I get a warning that removing them will break dependencies for Mesa. Will this be a problem?
Yes, Mesa is an essential graphics rendering library, x11 depends on it.
Even when there's no longer NVidia video on the system? I first built my current install on an old motherboard that had an NVidia card. I recently moved to a new mom board with built in Intel video. I thought Nouveau was an open source driver for NVidia video.
The dependency can only be according to specification, not reality. Without an NVidia gfxchip in the system, there can be no valid reason to call anything it contains. OTOH, because of the dependency, removing it will last only until the next round of Mesa updates, when it will be reinstalled to meet the pointless bandwidth-wasting dependency. If you want to be anal about saving space, you'll want to remove the xf86-video- drivers for other chips you'll never use, such as ark, mach64, siliconmotion, voodoo and more, plus the meta driver package that "depends" on them, xorg-x11-driver-video. Same likely goes for input drivers wacom, synaptics and joystick. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 27/04/14 17:04, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2014-04-27 11:40 (GMT-0400) James Knott composed:
Dylan wrote:
I'm cleaning out some Nvidia stuff from my computer. The two remaining packages are libdrm_nouveau2 and libdrm_nouveau2-32bit. When I try to remove them, I get a warning that removing them will break dependencies for Mesa. Will this be a problem?
Yes, Mesa is an essential graphics rendering library, x11 depends on it.
Even when there's no longer NVidia video on the system? I first built my current install on an old motherboard that had an NVidia card. I recently moved to a new mom board with built in Intel video. I thought Nouveau was an open source driver for NVidia video.
The dependency can only be according to specification, not reality. Without an NVidia gfxchip in the system, there can be no valid reason to call anything it contains.
Actually, it /might/ be used to poll for the presence of an Nvidia card, for example. It is clearly required for something: I have just forced it's removal in a virtual machine and KDE will not log in (the greeter shows, but after entering the password, the login process starts and then returns to the greeter.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2014-04-27 17:54 (GMT+0100) Dylan composed:
I'm cleaning out some Nvidia stuff from my computer. The two remaining packages are libdrm_nouveau2 and libdrm_nouveau2-32bit. When I try to remove them, I get a warning that removing them will break dependencies for Mesa. Will this be a problem?
Yes, Mesa is an essential graphics rendering library, x11 depends on it.
Even when there's no longer NVidia video on the system? I first built my current install on an old motherboard that had an NVidia card. I recently moved to a new mom board with built in Intel video. I thought Nouveau was an open source driver for NVidia video.
The dependency can only be according to specification, not reality. Without an NVidia gfxchip in the system, there can be no valid reason to call anything it contains.
Actually, it /might/ be used to poll for the presence of an Nvidia card, for example. It is clearly required for something: I have just forced it's removal in a virtual machine and KDE will not log in (the greeter shows, but after entering the password, the login process starts and then returns to the greeter.)
No impediment here with no login manager running: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Tmp/0drmKDE4.png gx27c:~ $ grep 'using VT' /var/log/Xorg.0.log [ 1617.959] (--) using VT number 7 gx27c:~ $ lspci | grep VGA 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) gx27c:~ $ grep PRETTY /etc/os-release PRETTY_NAME="openSUSE 13.2 Milestone 0 (Harlequin) (i586)" gx27c:~ $ grep 'X.Org X Server' /var/log/Xorg.0.log X.Org X Server 1.15.99.902 (1.16.0 RC 2) gx27c:~ $ grep 'Current Operating System' /var/log/Xorg.0.log [ 1617.940] Current Operating System: Linux gx27c 3.14.0-2-desktop #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Apr 11 09:18:16 UTC 2014 (e0d4304) i686 gx27c:~ $ grep 'Kernel Command Line' /var/log/Xorg.0.log [ 1617.940] Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda10 rw ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 noresume splash=verbose vga=791 video=1024x768@60 3 gx27c:~ $ grep Output /var/log/Xorg.0.log | egrep -v 'disconnec|no monit' | grep -v 'nitor sect' [ 1618.025] (II) intel(0): Output VGA1 connected [ 1618.025] (II) intel(0): Output VGA1 using initial mode 1600x1200 gx27c:~ $ grep -v ^\# /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-monitor.conf | grep DisplaySize gx27c:~ $ grep -v ^\# /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep DisplaySize DisplaySize 338 253 # 120 DPI @ 1600x1200 gx27c:~ $ grep -v ^\# /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-monitor.conf | grep PreferredMode gx27c:~ $ grep -v ^\# /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep PreferredMode gx27c:~ $ xrdb -query | grep dpi gx27c:~ $ xdpyinfo | egrep 'dime|ution|depths' dimensions: 1600x1200 pixels (338x253 millimeters) resolution: 120x120 dots per inch depths (7): 16, 1, 4, 8, 15, 24, 32 gx27c:~ $ xrandr | egrep 'onnect|creen|\*' | grep -v disconn | sort -r VGA1 connected primary 1600x1200+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 388mm x 291mm Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1600 x 1200, maximum 32767 x 32767 1600x1200 85.00*+ 75.00 70.00 65.00 60.00 libdrm2-2.4.53-1.1.i586 libdrm_intel1-2.4.53-1.1.i586 libdrm_radeon1-2.4.53-1.1.i586 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/27/2014 12:04 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
The dependency can only be according to specification, not reality.
And i'm quite fed up of that! I'm also fed up of code dependencies that aren't needed. I've just had knotes not work on my because the code required the indexer for some reason. I can't see why, surely the indexer is external to the things its going to index. Anyway, I've now lost all my knotes and I'm pretty annoyed at that! -- "There are two primary choices in life: to accept conditions as they exist, or accept the responsibility for changing them". -- Denis Waitley. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/27/2014 09:35 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
Anyway, I've now lost all my knotes
- maybe, using midnight commander to look over some directory like : ~/share/apps/knotes . . . maybe one can locate from backup & paste the stuff into a new note-taking util ?? ........... regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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