What is the best way to search these mailinglists? I tried google, but something like http://www.google.com/search?hs=p1l&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=site%3Alists.opensuse.org+suse&btnG=Search or http://tinyurl.com/beqpz for short does not show anything. With the amount of mails, it would be nice to have an effective searchengine. Now I am able to seach most of what I want with the mails I have with grepmail (grepm rather) but I can not always re-find all of the things I am looking for. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
On Friday 14 October 2005 11:04 am, houghi wrote:
What is the best way to search these mailinglists? I tried google, but something like http://www.google.com/search?hs=p1l&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mo zilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=site%3Alists.opensuse.org+suse&btnG=Search or http://tinyurl.com/beqpz for short does not show anything.
With the amount of mails, it would be nice to have an effective searchengine. Now I am able to seach most of what I want with the mails I have with grepmail (grepm rather) but I can not always re-find all of the things I am looking for.
houghi
At google try: "site:opensuse.org whatever whichever whenever" without the quotes of course. For suse-linux-e it could be something like: "site:lists.suse.com [sle] whatever whenever whichever". Stan
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 11:18:53AM -0500, Stan Glasoe wrote:
On Friday 14 October 2005 11:04 am, houghi wrote:
What is the best way to search these mailinglists? I tried google, but something like http://www.google.com/search?hs=p1l&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mo zilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=site%3Alists.opensuse.org+suse&btnG=Search or http://tinyurl.com/beqpz for short does not show anything.
With the amount of mails, it would be nice to have an effective searchengine. Now I am able to seach most of what I want with the mails I have with grepmail (grepm rather) but I can not always re-find all of the things I am looking for.
houghi
At google try: "site:opensuse.org whatever whichever whenever" without the quotes of course.
For suse-linux-e it could be something like: "site:lists.suse.com [sle] whatever whenever whichever".
I am talking about THIS list. The opensuse list. One might expect one or more links with: site:lists.opensuse.org suse as I did. Not one posting. Also you would expect to find at least one posting with the word or name houghi in it. Seems I must post more, because there is nothing to see. So just try it and you will see it won't work (at least not with me) houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
On Friday 14 October 2005 11:40 am, houghi wrote:
At google try: "site:opensuse.org whatever whichever whenever" without the quotes of course.
For suse-linux-e it could be something like: "site:lists.suse.com [sle] whatever whenever whichever".
I am talking about THIS list. The opensuse list. One might expect one or more links with: site:lists.opensuse.org suse as I did. Not one posting. Also you would expect to find at least one posting with the word or name houghi in it. Seems I must post more, because there is nothing to see.
So just try it and you will see it won't work (at least not with me)
houghi
You are right. That isn't searchable via Google like my second example for the suse-linux-e list. Doing a quick check at http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/2005-Oct/ shows about 186 messages from you out of about 1400. And not one of those is for any male enlargement enhancers! :) ;) Thank you, I'll be here through Saturday night... I'd say we have a Rodney Dangerfield ("Can't get no respect") issue with Google for these lists. Stan
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 11:18:53AM -0500, Stan Glasoe wrote:
On Friday 14 October 2005 11:04 am, houghi wrote:
At google try: "site:opensuse.org whatever whichever whenever" without the quotes of course.
For suse-linux-e it could be something like: "site:lists.suse.com [sle] whatever whenever whichever".
I am talking about THIS list. The opensuse list. One might expect one or more links with: site:lists.opensuse.org suse as I did. Not one posting. Also you would expect to find at least one posting with the word or name houghi in it. Seems I must post more, because there is nothing to see.
So just try it and you will see it won't work (at least not with me)
houghi
On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 18:40 +0200, houghi wrote: lists.opensuse.org opensuse houghi should do it, found many hits. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
Ken Schneider wrote:
lists.opensuse.org opensuse houghi should do it, found many hits.
33 hits and none from lists.opensuse.org Résultats 1 - 8 sur un total d'environ 33 pour lists.opensuse.org opensuse houghi. jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr
But are google searches of these lists as good as or better than the MARC searches? (But I see opensuse is *not* on MARC...)
houghi wrote:
So just try it and you will see it won't work (at least not with me)
don't you think this looks like a robot.txt forgiven access? there is NO google reference to the present list (nor Yahoo) jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr
On 15/10/05, jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
don't you think this looks like a robot.txt forgiven access?
Yes. http://lists.opensuse.org/robots.txt It has a dissallow for all, so no search engine would be updating their index. My guess is it was put on in September, which is why there are a small number of old indexed messages. pflodo.
Hello, Am Freitag, 14. Oktober 2005 20:19 schrieb jdd:
houghi wrote:
So just try it and you will see it won't work (at least not with me)
don't you think this looks like a robot.txt forgiven access?
there is NO google reference to the present list (nor Yahoo)
I just checked http://lists.opensuse.org/robots.txt ----------------------------- User-agent: * Disallow: / ----------------------------- Could someone from SUSE please explain why all search engines are locked out? I think it isn't a good idea to make the list archives not searchable. (I understand SUSE doesn't provide a search engine on its own, but it's "cheap" to let google do the job. Just some traffic ;-) If you don't want to let all search engines in, just allow google. It seems to be the preferred search engine for list archives ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- [chown-"Unfall] Das was dann noch ueberbleibt sollte sich durch Raten und/oder anhand eventueller Fehlermeldungen korrigieren lassen ("work.users" in /var/lib/rpm/*? Nee, ich glaub nich ;)) [David Haller in suse-linux]
On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 12:46:13AM +0200, Christian Boltz wrote:
I just checked http://lists.opensuse.org/robots.txt
----------------------------- User-agent: * Disallow: / -----------------------------
Could someone from SUSE please explain why all search engines are locked out?
Perhaps because not everybody thinks it's a good idea to feed search engines with mail addresses.
I think it isn't a good idea to make the list archives not searchable. (I understand SUSE doesn't provide a search engine on its own, but it's "cheap" to let google do the job. Just some traffic ;-)
I myself would prefer a local search engine on opensuse.org. Or, of course, 'grepmail' on my local list archive. ;-) Rasmus
Hello, On 10/15/05, Christian Boltz <opensuse@cboltz.de> wrote:
I just checked http://lists.opensuse.org/robots.txt
----------------------------- User-agent: * Disallow: / -----------------------------
Could someone from SUSE please explain why all search engines are locked out?
Probably because the spam-bots are searching the mailing-list and they are searching on Google too. I don't think you would like to get a lot of spam in your Inbox just because you are subscribed to a mailing-list. Personaly I think it's better not to let robots indexing the mailing-list. -- Damian Mihai Liviu Phone: +40741226993 Yahoo: liviudm_cisco URL: http://liviudm.blogspot.com
On Sat, 2005-10-15 at 09:44 +0300, Dazzle wrote:
Hello,
On 10/15/05, Christian Boltz <opensuse@cboltz.de> wrote:
I just checked http://lists.opensuse.org/robots.txt
----------------------------- User-agent: * Disallow: / -----------------------------
Could someone from SUSE please explain why all search engines are locked out?
Probably because the spam-bots are searching the mailing-list and they are searching on Google too. I don't think you would like to get a lot of spam in your Inbox just because you are subscribed to a mailing-list. Personaly I think it's better not to let robots indexing the mailing-list.
This is fine but don't chastise anyone for -not- searching the archives when there is no search capabilities. I would not expect anyone to search 1000's of emails one by one looking for answers. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 08:47:35AM -0400, Ken Schneider wrote:
This is fine but don't chastise anyone for -not- searching the archives when there is no search capabilities. I would not expect anyone to search 1000's of emails one by one looking for answers.
There should indeed be a search method. I can understand now why they did the robot.txt although I doubt spammers will pay attention to such a file. No idea if something like http://www.zapyon.de/spam-me-not/index.html could work automated. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
Hello, Am Samstag, 15. Oktober 2005 08:44 schrieb Dazzle:
On 10/15/05, Christian Boltz <opensuse@cboltz.de> wrote:
I just checked http://lists.opensuse.org/robots.txt
Disallow: /
Could someone from SUSE please explain why all search engines are locked out?
An official statement is still missing :-(
Probably because the spam-bots are searching the mailing-list and they are searching on Google too. I don't think you would like to get a lot of spam in your Inbox just because you are subscribed to a mailing-list. Personaly I think it's better not to let robots indexing the mailing-list.
Hey, I already got spam to the adresses used in the opensuse lists - the robots.txt wasn't able to avoid this... I guess spammers use the direct way to get mail adresses and just subscribe (with a "anonymous" mail adress @gmx etc.). This is even more inconspicuous than a wget -r... You see, spammers get mail adresses in any case. My question still remains: Why should we lock out users who want to search the list archives? Regards, Christian Boltz -- Zwei Informatikstudenten treffen sich auf dem Campus. Sagt der eine: "Hey, woher hast du das schöne neue Fahrrad?" Antwortet der andere: "Nun, ich lief gestern durch den Park, als eine wunderschöne Blondine auf dem Fahrrad vor mir anhielt, sich nackt auszog und sagte: Nimm dir was du willst!" Sagt der erste: "Gute Wahl, die Kleider hätten bestimmt nicht gepasst." [Bernd Tannenbaum in suse-linux]
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Christian Boltz wrote:
On 10/15/05, Christian Boltz <opensuse@cboltz.de> wrote:
I just checked http://lists.opensuse.org/robots.txt
Disallow: /
Could someone from SUSE please explain why all search engines are locked out?
An official statement is still missing :-(
Sorry for the delay. lists.openSUSE.org is now "crawlable" and I just check Google, which already seems to have done a good job in indexing the archives ;) [If you want to search the openSUSE.org mailinglists, just use the "site:lists.openSUSE.org" directive on Google. Regards Christoph
On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 19:17 +0100, Christoph Thiel wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Christian Boltz wrote:
On 10/15/05, Christian Boltz <opensuse@cboltz.de> wrote:
I just checked http://lists.opensuse.org/robots.txt
Disallow: /
Could someone from SUSE please explain why all search engines are locked out?
An official statement is still missing :-(
Sorry for the delay. lists.openSUSE.org is now "crawlable" and I just check Google, which already seems to have done a good job in indexing the archives ;)
[If you want to search the openSUSE.org mailinglists, just use the "site:lists.openSUSE.org" directive on Google.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. This will make searching the archives much easier. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
Hello, Am Sonntag, 6. November 2005 19:17 schrieb Christoph Thiel:
On 10/15/05, Christian Boltz <opensuse@cboltz.de> wrote:
I just checked http://lists.opensuse.org/robots.txt Disallow: / [...] Sorry for the delay. lists.openSUSE.org is now "crawlable" and I just check Google, which already seems to have done a good job in indexing
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Christian Boltz wrote: the archives ;)
Thank you ;-) Disallow: /grmpf *LoL* - but works ;-)
[If you want to search the openSUSE.org mailinglists, just use the "site:lists.openSUSE.org" directive on Google.
It would be a good idea to include a search box in the the lists.opensuse.org front page called "search lists.opensuse.org using google" I don't know if google allows this (I guess yes since many pages provide a google search) - please check it. If google allows it, please include the following search form: (field names based on google.de, not google.com - I hope there's no difference ;-) <form action="http://www.google.com/search"> <input name="as_q" type="text" size="30"> <input name="as_sitesearch" type="hidden" value="lists.opensuse.org"> <input type=submit name=btnG value="Google search"> </form> BTW: A similar form would be very helpful on lists.suse.com ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- Aussage eines Mathematikprofessors von mir: 'Die Informatiker, das sind die, die dann am Bahnsteig stehen, und ihre Koffer zählen - 0, 1, 2 - Mist, wo ist der dritte Koffer?' [Adalbert Michelic in suse-linux]
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Christian Boltz wrote:
[If you want to search the openSUSE.org mailinglists, just use the "site:lists.openSUSE.org" directive on Google.
It would be a good idea to include a search box in the the lists.opensuse.org front page called "search lists.opensuse.org using google"
I don't know if google allows this (I guess yes since many pages provide a google search) - please check it.
Well, guessing isn't enough ;) (But be sure that we are working on making this possible...)
BTW: A similar form would be very helpful on lists.suse.com ;-)
That's on the agenda, but let's watch lists.opensuse.org first and see how it works out (also from a computing resource point of view, as the robots can slow down the archives quite well ;)) Regards Christoph
On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 18:04 +0200, houghi wrote:
What is the best way to search these mailinglists? I tried google, but something like http://www.google.com/search?hs=p1l&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=site%3Alists.opensuse.org+suse&btnG=Search or http://tinyurl.com/beqpz for short does not show anything.
With the amount of mails, it would be nice to have an effective searchengine. Now I am able to seach most of what I want with the mails I have with grepmail (grepm rather) but I can not always re-find all of the things I am looking for.
houghi
Why not use lists.opensuse.org mozilla (plus other search criteria) to find what you are looking for in google? This will narrow the search to the opensuse mail lists. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
Hallo, Am Fri, 14 Oct 2005, houghi schrieb:
What is the best way to search these mailinglists? [..] With the amount of mails, it would be nice to have an effective searchengine. Now I am able to seach most of what I want with the mails I have with grepmail (grepm rather) but I can not always re-find all of the things I am looking for.
Why not use the search-features of mutt? -dnh -- / "When it works, it is just biding its time waiting for \ \ a more inconvenient time for it to fail." -- Joe Moore /
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Am Fri, 14 Oct 2005, houghi schrieb:
What is the best way to search these mailinglists? [..] With the amount of mails, it would be nice to have an effective searchengine. Now I am able to seach most of what I want with the mails I have with grepmail (grepm rather) but I can not always re-find all of the things I am looking for.
Why not use the search-features of mutt?
Well, I can search without problems with my own MUA (Thunderbird, in my case), but what's a bit tedious is when you want to point someone to an already posted mail. - - search locally, take (mental) note of the subject and the author - - go to http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/2005-Oct/ - - search the matching subject+author line in your browser - - double-check - - post the link A local search-engine on opensuse.org would be great. Maybe even one that include searching in the Wiki + in the mailing-list archives. It doesn't need to show the hits in a unified interface. Could show: - - Search for [ ] in [ ] wiki [ ] mailing-list archives - - Search results for wiki: ... - - Search results for mailing-list archives: ... cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser@skynet.be> <guru@unixtech.be> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDULKgr3NMWliFcXcRAsbUAJ9FiXcJrknrZfSA6+A9MXd5QOSsiwCbBPlH UXXVOn4C8focN6lMLqj6C5g= =cF2t -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Pascal, On Sat, 15 Oct 2005, Pascal Bleser wrote:
A local search-engine on opensuse.org would be great. Maybe even one that include searching in the Wiki + in the mailing-list archives. It doesn't need to show the hits in a unified interface. Could show: - - Search for [ ] in [ ] wiki [ ] mailing-list archives - - Search results for wiki: ... - - Search results for mailing-list archives: ...
Could you please add a feature request for this on bugzilla.novell.com (Product: openSUSE, Component: Wiki)? That would help a lot to track this issue... :) Regards Christoph
On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 05:55:44PM +0200, Christoph Thiel wrote:
Could you please add a feature request for this on bugzilla.novell.com (Product: openSUSE, Component: Wiki)? That would help a lot to track this issue... :)
Bug 128615 has been added to the database houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
houghi wrote:
What is the best way to search these mailinglists?
I would suggest using gmane.org, but I'm not sure this list ever actually made it onto gmane. (I run my own nntp-gateway, so I don't personally use gmane). /Per Jessen, Zürich
Andreas Simon wrote:
On Saturday 15 October 2005 10:41, Per Jessen wrote:
I would suggest using gmane.org, but I'm not sure this list ever actually made it onto gmane.
It didn't, there are no opensuse mailing lists on GMANE.
I did suggest it a while ago, and I know the gmane admin people tried to sign up, but I neglected to follow-up when it failed. I think having opensuse on gmane would be a really Good Thing (R). /Per Jessen, Zürich -- http://www.spamchek.com/ - managed anti-spam and anti-virus solution. Sign up for your free 30-day trial now!
Per Jessen wrote:
I did suggest it a while ago, and I know the gmane admin people tried to sign up, but I neglected to follow-up when it failed. I think having opensuse on gmane would be a really Good Thing (R).
OK, I did do some follow-up - on 5 Sep I posted the following:
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
It looks like the opensuse.org MTAs are dropping my messages, so I can't sign up.
To be more precise:
<opensuse-announce-subscribe-glsoa-opensuse-announce=m.gmane.org@lists.opensuse.org>: host lists.opensuse.org[195.135.221.131] said: 553 sorry, your envelope sender is in my badmailfrom list (#5.7.1) (in reply to RCPT TO command) Reporting-MTA: dns; Relay1.suse.de
So gmane wasn't allowed to sign up due to blacklisting by SUSE? SUSE Novell - any comments? /Per Jessen, Zürich -- http://www.spamchek.com/ - managed anti-spam and anti-virus solution. Sign up for your free 30-day trial now!
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005, Per Jessen wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
I did suggest it a while ago, and I know the gmane admin people tried to sign up, but I neglected to follow-up when it failed. I think having opensuse on gmane would be a really Good Thing (R).
OK, I did do some follow-up - on 5 Sep I posted the following:
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
It looks like the opensuse.org MTAs are dropping my messages, so I can't sign up.
To be more precise:
<opensuse-announce-subscribe-glsoa-opensuse-announce=m.gmane.org@lists.opensuse.org>: host lists.opensuse.org[195.135.221.131] said: 553 sorry, your envelope sender is in my badmailfrom list (#5.7.1) (in reply to RCPT TO command) Reporting-MTA: dns; Relay1.suse.de
So gmane wasn't allowed to sign up due to blacklisting by SUSE? SUSE Novell - any comments?
Please contact me directly on this (via private mail). I'm sure we will be able to sort things out ;) Regards Christoph
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