On Sunday 14 January 2007 07:49, Marcus Meissner wrote:

On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 07:46:08AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Any ideas when JDK 1.5.10 and JDK 6 are going to be added to the opensuse reps?

Not gonna happen in 10.2.

Why not?

I know that you can get it from SUN, but with that installer you can not get it to run properly on SUSE linux.

"Why not?", indeed. Why doesn't it work? What goes wrong?

We released JDK 1.5.0 Update 10 as security update at least.

Great. But just to be clear I was echoing the "Why not?" question to Simon's claim, not to the statement "Not gonna' happen...". I plan to start working with Java 6, soon, and will install Sun's release, naturally. I don't really expect any problems (since they've never occurred before), but I'm curious about what might have gone wrong for Simon.

Ciao, Marcus

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* HG [01-14-07 13:40]:

I'm the one who claimed that it doesn't work as well as rpm's. There are lots of people on this list who think I'm stupid. Some will undoubtedly write to list that I'm so stupid that I should not be allowed to use SUSE. They are all correct of course... but still I plan to use this (as I like YaST).

The installer probably works, but I just do not know how to use it. That's what it is. What I wrote earlier was based on previous try with 1.5 update 8 or 9 (I think bundled with Net Beans). This is what happened then: I downloaded the installer and started it. It quickly became obvious that I was not able to install it for all users (it didn't ask for instance if I want to install it for all users or just me and ask for root passwd). So I hit cancel and try again as root. This time it asked me where to install it. And I just didn't know! I've used SuSE with YaST for years without having to know where the programs go. I didn't know.

Now I tried the new installer. This time no GUI but CLI which just unpacked it under my home dir. Trying "java -version" showed that it was not installed as I wanted. Yes, the files were probably there and after couple of mv's and ln's it would probably worked. I just didn't know which.

Contrast this with rpm that automatically goes to the right place and is configured correctly. And just works (tm).

So, that's why I'm hoping somebody that can (I really thank you guys!) will have the time to make a rpm for SUSE out of things like java. That way stupid users like me can enjoy SUSE.

13:44 wahoo:~ > rpm -qi java-1_5_0-sun Name : java-1_5_0-sun Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 1.5.0_10 Vendor: SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Nuernberg, Germany Release : 0.1 Build Date: Thu 21 Dec 2006 11:03:37 AM EST Install Date: Fri 05 Jan 2007 04:59:32 PM EST Build Host: Owens.suse.de Group : Development/Languages/Java Source RPM: java-1_5_0-sun-1.5.0_10-0.1.src.rpm Size : 73440916 License: Other License(s), see package Signature : DSA/SHA1, Thu 21 Dec 2006 11:07:01 AM EST, Key ID a84edae89c800aca Packager : http://bugs.opensuse.org URL : http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/ Summary : Java(TM) 5 Runtime Environment Description : Java(TM) 5 Runtime Environment The Java(TM) 5 Runtime Environment contains the Java virtual machine, runtime class libraries, and Java application launcher that are necessary to run programs written in the Java progamming language. It is not a development environment and does not contain development tools such as compilers and debuggers. For development tools, see the java-1.5.0-sun-devel package. The Java 5 Runtime Environment is intended for software developers and vendors who wish to redistribute their applications. Distribution: SUSE LINUX 10.1 (X86-64) If you like to install rpm's, then do it. Why complain about something that exists and you don't/won't/can't find? Your posts have become inane ramblings better suited to a blog! -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hi! On 1/14/07, Randall R Schulz wrote:

OK. Well, it sounds like you were expecting something a little better integrated than a generic Sun release can be. Because the SuSE engineers have done a good job at integrating the Java release in the past, your expectations went beyond what the generic installer from Sun can accomplish. I don't have a problem managing multiple installations,

Finally somebody understands what I tried to say exactly. Thanks. I think many people here took what I wrote as critisism agains SUSE while it really is the opposite, just like you said. When the SUSE guys do it, it just works. And that is why I hoped that the SUSE guys would do it. And asked for it. I know my writing is not that good (english is not my mother tongue). Thanks for understanding. -- HG. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 01/14/2007 jdd wrote:

I went there (http://www.tvmag.com/accueil.jspx, the clip of the black singer on the right)".

I assume you mean the homage to James Brown. I got a message box that wanted to know if I wanted to trust something done with Windows [ had to think about that for a bit ] then said there were no "wmpns" in the java path. I don't know what the "ns" part of it means but I bet the "wmp" is Windows Media Player. Probably one of Microsofts non standard implementations of java. A quick Google shows "SYMPTOMS If you use a version of Netscape Navigator that has an embedded <APPLET> tag for the Windows Media Player 9 Series OCX control, the Java Runtime may not initialize the control. CAUSE This problem occurs because the Windows Media Player 9 Series OCX control uses methods that are no longer supported by Netscape." You may not have been using a Mozilla browser but I bet it's along the same lines. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org