any install-time option for installing multiple languages?
I need the option to have multiple users on a single workstation/laptop each have their own language. I.e. I would want to install both the English and the German language versions of everything, e.g. KDE and OpenOffice. Is there an option I've overlooked? Installing the appropriate i18n packages after the initial install seems a little tedious. /Per Jessen, Zürich
Per Jessen wrote:
Installing the appropriate i18n packages after the initial install seems a little tedious.
And something isn't quite right - I installed the kde_i18_en and the openoffice_en packages on a system that was installed initially with German. For a particular user, I then changed her KDE language preference to be English. Some of the KDE menus and icons changed, but not all. And openoffice remained in German. What I was hoping was a relatively easy switch to another language, provided the appropriate packages are all installed. Am I asking too much? /Per Jessen, Zürich
Per Jessen wrote:
I need the option to have multiple users on a single workstation/laptop each have their own language. I.e. I would want to install both the English and the German language versions of everything, e.g. KDE and OpenOffice. Is there an option I've overlooked?
Installing the appropriate i18n packages after the initial install seems a little tedious.
I've never done this, but I seem to recall that with OO, you can install various languages. Also, KDE Control Center has a method for selecting language, which can be configured on a per user basis. Does this help?
James Knott wrote:
I've never done this, but I seem to recall that with OO, you can install various languages. Also, KDE Control Center has a method for selecting language, which can be configured on a per user basis. Does this help?
Hi James, not much :-), but thanks anyway. The optimal situation would be as follows: 1) During installation, I would have an option that lets me choose which languages to install - keyword "languageS", not "language". Today when I pick e.g. Greek, I get the proper language version of all packages, except those for which no Greek version exists. AT install time I would then pick e.g. German+English+French and have all the appropriate packages installed. 2) Each user would have the option of choosing a language through the KDE Personal Preferences. AFAICS, #1 is not an option today unless I've completely overlooked it. #2 is an option, but I'm not sure how well it works even when I've installed additional languages. /Per Jessen, Zürich
On Sun, 2006-05-07 at 12:41 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
James Knott wrote:
I've never done this, but I seem to recall that with OO, you can install various languages. Also, KDE Control Center has a method for selecting language, which can be configured on a per user basis. Does this help?
Hi James,
not much :-), but thanks anyway. The optimal situation would be as follows:
1) During installation, I would have an option that lets me choose which languages to install - keyword "languageS", not "language". Today when I pick e.g. Greek, I get the proper language version of all packages, except those for which no Greek version exists. AT install time I would then pick e.g. German+English+French and have all the appropriate packages installed.
2) Each user would have the option of choosing a language through the KDE Personal Preferences.
AFAICS, #1 is not an option today unless I've completely overlooked it.
There is a way do select packages other then the defaults during install time. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
On Monday 08 May 2006 05:07, Per Jessen wrote:
Ken Schneider wrote:
There is a way do select packages other then the defaults during install time.
Certainly, but it's very tedious. And even if you do, it still doesn't quite work.
/Per Jessen, Zürich
Ymmv with different languages. A big issue is wht level you want to reach. Do you want to read and write another language? Do you want your desktop all in another language? Do you want all the help files in another language? Some of these settings can be changed on the fly. I have added only a keyboard for another language and i can switch by just clicking on a flag for emails etc. but i have not added another language to oo or the desktop. good luck, d.
kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
Ymmv with different languages. A big issue is wht level you want to reach. Do you want to read and write another language? Do you want your desktop all in another language? Do you want all the help files in another language? Some of these settings can be changed on the fly.
What I want is to install two languages at install time, e.g. English and German. Later on, each individual user should then be able to pick the language of his/her choice. We know it's perfectly possible to have a mostly english Linux installation, just as it is possible to have a mostly German installation. (I say mostly to account for some apps not having local language versions). All I need is 1) to have the option to install multiple languages at install time, without having to select everything manually and 2) for each user to be able to chose/swap between languages, for instance through setting the KDE Personal Preferences. It would seem that 1) can't be overly difficult, but does require a change in YaST. 2) is there such a thing as a per-user, but system-wide language setting? /Per Jessen, Zürich
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2006-05-08 at 20:31 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
What I want is to install two languages at install time, e.g. English and German. Later on, each individual user should then be able to pick the language of his/her choice. We know it's perfectly possible to have a mostly english Linux installation, just as it is possible to have a mostly German installation. (I say mostly to account for some apps not having local language versions).
There is such an option during install. There is a window where you see the main settings for the future installation: software selection, boot configuration, etc, etc. There is a tab for expert mode or something similar, that expands the info a lot (I'm thinking of 10.1). One of the entries is language. There is a language selected, the main one, but there is also the option to select as many aditional languages as you like. This setting affect the language packs for OOo, kde, gnome... I don't know about man pages and other smaller programs: they don't have separate language rpms, just the main one with whatever translations it has.
All I need is 1) to have the option to install multiple languages at install time, without having to select everything manually and 2) for each user to be able to chose/swap between languages, for instance through setting the KDE Personal Preferences.
The first you have. I have seen it in 9.3 also. The second, you have as well, but not all programs will obey. OOo, for instance, will not, I think: it has its own configuration.
It would seem that 1) can't be overly difficult, but does require a change in YaST. 2) is there such a thing as a per-user, but system-wide language setting?
No, each user has to select his language, by setting the LANG environment var, and settings in the desktops he uses. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEX9dBtTMYHG2NR9URAt0iAJ9ppwxbGDOIbroutOBUmyOM5hLxTwCeMbOy 0h42Hic2H4GTWSrNS/xB6YQ= =va1j -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The first you have. I have seen it in 9.3 also. The second, you have as well, but not all programs will obey. OOo, for instance, will not, I think: it has its own configuration.
Thanks Carlos, I'm just redoing an install - and YaST does indeed have the option for installing multiple languages. Perfect! /Per Jessen, Zürich
Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The first you have. I have seen it in 9.3 also. The second, you have as well, but not all programs will obey. OOo, for instance, will not, I think: it has its own configuration.
You were right - OOo doesn't care about the users KDE preferences, nor does Firefox nor YaST. Well, I guess there's an item for the wishlist. /Per Jessen, Zürich
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-05-09 at 14:50 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
You were right - OOo doesn't care about the users KDE preferences, nor does Firefox nor YaST.
Yast uses root's preferences. If I call Yast this way: LANG=es_ES.UTF-8 LC_ALL=es_ES.UTF-8 yast I get it in Spanish (in text mode, I tried in an xterm).
Well, I guess there's an item for the wishlist.
OOo would have to discover the users desktop environment at the moment (kde, gnome, xfce, whatever), find out the user's language, and use it. As it is not a kde app, but a generic app, it can not simply use kde preferences. And then, there is the LANG environment var. Not so simple. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEYLBTtTMYHG2NR9URAs77AJ9Bt/JUykZX/S3qEINpnzGFqT9P9QCfVqAv 0S5GBWfqLio+x3KaKJGKveY= =qBEm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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