[opensuse] bug 885655 - can someone with the right permissions please summarize it?
See http://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885655 specifically, I would like to understand the reasoning for adding 'yzpper' as a symlink to 'zypper'. The opposite is being done in bug#902398, where 'zast' was needlessly removed as a symlink to 'yast'. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
В Tue, 04 Nov 2014 10:15:41 +0100 Per Jessen <per@computer.org> пишет:
See http://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885655
specifically, I would like to understand the reasoning for adding 'yzpper' as a symlink to 'zypper'.
"Because we have zast" :)
The opposite is being done in bug#902398, where 'zast' was needlessly removed as a symlink to 'yast'.
Well, zast was remove after yzpper was added ... so probably now we should expect yzpper to disappear as well :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
В Tue, 04 Nov 2014 10:15:41 +0100 Per Jessen <per@computer.org> пишет:
See http://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885655
specifically, I would like to understand the reasoning for adding 'yzpper' as a symlink to 'zypper'.
"Because we have zast" :)
The opposite is being done in bug#902398, where 'zast' was needlessly removed as a symlink to 'yast'.
Well, zast was remove after yzpper was added ... so probably now we should expect yzpper to disappear as well :)
Hahaha, thanks Andrei, that is actually really funny! -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/04/2014 04:15 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
The opposite is being done in bug#902398, where 'zast' was needlessly removed as a symlink to 'yast'.
For some reason or other "Caverns measureless to man" comes to mind. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/04/2014 03:23 PM, Anton Aylward wrote: > "Caverns measureless to man" comes to mind. - as : in Xanadu did Kubla Khan .............. regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
ellanios82 wrote: > On 11/04/2014 03:23 PM, Anton Aylward wrote: >> "Caverns measureless to man" comes to mind. > - as : in Xanadu did Kubla Khan > My ignorance is showing, I have no idea what you two are on about. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/05/2014 10:06 AM, Per Jessen wrote: > On 11/04/2014 03:23 PM, Anton Aylward wrote: >> >> "Caverns measureless to man" comes to mind. > > - as : in Xanadu did Kubla Khan .............. poem by Coleridge : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubla_Khan ..................... regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/05/2014 03:06 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
> ellanios82 wrote:
>
>> On 11/04/2014 03:23 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
>>> "Caverns measureless to man" comes to mind.
>> - as : in Xanadu did Kubla Khan
>>
>
> My ignorance is showing, I have no idea what you two are on about.
All the mis-spelling of zypper make me think of a mis-spelling of "Yast"
In fact a V is very like a Y, isn't it?
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A: Yes.
> Q: Are you sure?
>> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
>>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
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On 11/05/2014 01:54 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
All the mis-spelling of zypper make me think of a mis-spelling of "Yast" In fact a V is very like a Y, isn't it?
Well, the y <-> z typo can come from typing on a keyboard with an unknown keyboard layouts (QWERTY vs. QWERTZ), while a V is just looking similar. Have a nice day, Berny -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/05/2014 07:58 AM, Bernhard Voelker wrote:
On 11/05/2014 01:54 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
All the mis-spelling of zypper make me think of a mis-spelling of "Yast" In fact a V is very like a Y, isn't it?
Well, the y <-> z typo can come from typing on a keyboard with an unknown keyboard layouts (QWERTY vs. QWERTZ), while a V is just looking similar.
Have a nice day, Berny
The original post was about adding 'yzpper' as a symlink to 'zypper'. That's a common type of type, letter inversion, like typing "hte" for "the". Andrei added the "zast" vs "yast" item., so I see your point, but on the phone the X Y and Z are all on the 9 key. I'm glad late model phones have more screen real estate and properly laid out keyboards, even if a bit cramped. I hated sending SMS from the old phones! Heck, low pixel count or reading without my glasses, the V and the Y do look similar. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward wrote:
On 11/05/2014 07:58 AM, Bernhard Voelker wrote:
On 11/05/2014 01:54 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
All the mis-spelling of zypper make me think of a mis-spelling of "Yast" In fact a V is very like a Y, isn't it?
Well, the y <-> z typo can come from typing on a keyboard with an unknown keyboard layouts (QWERTY vs. QWERTZ), while a V is just looking similar.
Have a nice day, Berny
The original post was about adding 'yzpper' as a symlink to 'zypper'. That's a common type of type, letter inversion, like typing "hte" for "the".
Also if you've learnt to type using a QWERTZ layout and suddenly find yourself using a QWERTY instead.
Andrei added the "zast" vs "yast" item., so I see your point, but on the phone the X Y and Z are all on the 9 key. I'm glad late model phones have more screen real estate and properly laid out keyboards, even if a bit cramped. I hated sending SMS from the old phones!
I find that I can "type" much faster using the 0-9 keypad than any touchscreen keyboard. Also, with a keypad I can type without watching what I'm typing. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (3.8°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/05/2014 03:06 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
> ellanios82 wrote:
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>> On 11/04/2014 03:23 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
>>> "Caverns measureless to man" comes to mind.
>> - as : in Xanadu did Kubla Khan
>>
>
> My ignorance is showing, I have no idea what you two are on about.
And I don't think hypertext has anything to do with a mis-spelling of
zypper or yast, and it was Ted nelson, not Kubla Kahn.
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A: Yes.
> Q: Are you sure?
>> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
>>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
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On Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 07:56:52AM -0500, Anton Aylward wrote: > On 11/05/2014 03:06 AM, Per Jessen wrote: > > ellanios82 wrote: > > > >> On 11/04/2014 03:23 PM, Anton Aylward wrote: > >>> "Caverns measureless to man" comes to mind. > >> - as : in Xanadu did Kubla Khan > >> > > > > My ignorance is showing, I have no idea what you two are on about. > > And I don't think hypertext has anything to do with a mis-spelling of > zypper or yast, and it was Ted nelson, not Kubla Kahn. The y / z switch is a feature to support people that switch between german and english keyboards, which famously switch the location of z and y (but no other letters ... only special characters are switched besides). Thats why we had zast and now yzpper. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/05/2014 07:59 AM, Marcus Meissner wrote:
And I don't think hypertext has anything to do with a mis-spelling of zypper or yast, and it was Ted nelson, not Kubla Kahn.
The y / z switch is a feature to support people that switch between german and english keyboards, which famously switch the location of z and y (but no other letters ... only special characters are switched besides).
Perhaps using a German keyboard layout affects one's sense of humour and ability to recognise puns and word play in English. -- This isn't life in the fast lane, it's life in the oncoming traffic. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward wrote:
On 11/05/2014 07:59 AM, Marcus Meissner wrote:
And I don't think hypertext has anything to do with a mis-spelling of zypper or yast, and it was Ted nelson, not Kubla Kahn.
The y / z switch is a feature to support people that switch between german and english keyboards, which famously switch the location of z and y (but no other letters ... only special characters are switched besides).
Perhaps using a German keyboard layout affects one's sense of humour and ability to recognise puns and word play in English.
I can't say I got the pun either. What was it? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (3.9°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
arvidjaar@gmail.com wrote:
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Thats why we had zast and now yzpper.
I guess the actual question was - why remove zast if adding yzpper at the same time.
Exactly, that is what I trying to figure out. Well, I just don't think there was much if any reason for removing the 'zast' symlink. It's sad really, more time has been wasted on discussing this issue than it would have taken someone to re-add that link .... -- Per Jessen, Zürich (3.9°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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