Leap-16/Slowroller/flatpacking
What made me wonder was the recent change of grub listing my Slowroller gig as a just another Tumbleweed for some reason. Are both Slowroller and Flat-Leap headed for a merge? In plain english, like? It's just that I like to see the patch of ground where my next step will put foot :-) -- "Nous n'héritons pas de la terre de nos parents, nous l'empruntons à nos enfants." Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
On dinsdag 23 januari 2024 11:39:02 CET Ben T. Fender wrote:
Are both Slowroller and Flat-Leap headed for a merge? In plain english, like? It would make things easier if you called the distro by its real name, i.e. Slowroll. That said, a thing like Flat-Leap doesn't even exist.
-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board openSUSE Forums Team
Tue, 23 Jan 2024 11:45:14 +0100 Knurpht-openSUSE <knurpht@opensuse.org> :
On dinsdag 23 januari 2024 11:39:02 CET Ben T. Fender wrote:
Are both Slowroller and Flat-Leap headed for a merge? In plain english, like? It would make things easier if you called the distro by its real name, i.e. Slowroll.
Typo
That said, a thing like Flat-Leap doesn't even exist.
I guess you're right, the infos I've read about Leap-16 somehow made me think it used some form of containerization.
On 2024-01-23 07:15, Ben T. Fender wrote:
Tue, 23 Jan 2024 11:45:14 +0100 Knurpht-openSUSE <knurpht@opensuse.org> :
On dinsdag 23 januari 2024 11:39:02 CET Ben T. Fender wrote:
Are both Slowroller and Flat-Leap headed for a merge? In plain english, like? It would make things easier if you called the distro by its real name, i.e. Slowroll.
Typo
That said, a thing like Flat-Leap doesn't even exist.
I guess you're right, the infos I've read about Leap-16 somehow made me think it used some form of containerization.
It will be available as an immutable version. As was explained, in here, only 4 days ago, it will also be available in the version we all know and love: https://news.opensuse.org/2024/01/15/clear-course-is-set-for-os-leap/ (Can we now lay this issue to rest, permanently?)
On 1/23/24 23:45, Ben T. Fender wrote:
Tue, 23 Jan 2024 11:45:14 +0100 Knurpht-openSUSE <knurpht@opensuse.org> :
On dinsdag 23 januari 2024 11:39:02 CET Ben T. Fender wrote:
Are both Slowroller and Flat-Leap headed for a merge? In plain english, like? It would make things easier if you called the distro by its real name, i.e. Slowroll.
Typo
That said, a thing like Flat-Leap doesn't even exist.
I guess you're right, the infos I've read about Leap-16 somehow made me think it used some form of containerization.
That is understandable, the early ALP announcements were about containerisation only, but that has long since changed. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B
Wed, 24 Jan 2024 12:54:34 +1030 Simon Lees <sflees@suse.de> :
On 1/23/24 23:45, Ben T. Fender wrote:
I guess you're right, the infos I've read about Leap-16 somehow made me think it used some form of containerization.
That is understandable, the early ALP announcements were about containerisation only, but that has long since changed.
It's still part of the novum, actually the only good one for my money and they can call it whatever they like, I call it whatever I like. I happen to prefer flatpacking as a generic term but regardless of placarding it goes well with my idea that OS'es are just plug-ins for my favorite apps. Then there's this 'immutable' horror meaning read-only like live systems on DVD (a kind of language everyone would understand). Cloud is another favorite of mine, I call it an orchestrated attack on people's data security which in my book comes with physical access denial instead of trust in encryption or whatever else for the simple reason that if the word trust is in your dictionary than it sure as puck ain't no security dictionary.
Am 24.01.24 um 04:58 schrieb Ben T. Fender:
Wed, 24 Jan 2024 12:54:34 +1030 Simon Lees <sflees@suse.de> :
On 1/23/24 23:45, Ben T. Fender wrote:
I guess you're right, the infos I've read about Leap-16 somehow made me think it used some form of containerization.
That is understandable, the early ALP announcements were about containerisation only, but that has long since changed.
It's still part of the novum, actually the only good one for my money and they can call it whatever they like, I call it whatever I like. I happen to prefer flatpacking as a generic term but regardless of placarding it goes well with my idea that OS'es are just plug-ins for my favorite apps. Then there's this 'immutable' horror meaning read-only like live systems on DVD (a kind of language everyone would understand). Cloud is another favorite of mine, I call it an orchestrated attack on people's data security which in my book comes with physical access denial instead of trust in encryption or whatever else for the simple reason that if the word trust is in your dictionary than it sure as puck ain't no security dictionary.
Last century(!) I tried out of curiosity Linux (S.U.S.E. then), moved to it from Win95 sometime around the beginning of this millennium and have been using it since then almost exclusively. I'm really curious about the promise of an immutable system and whether containerizing programmes I use (if any) will have a negative impact on how I use my computer. So, bring on Leap 16 in whatever form, I trust that the volunteers at openSUSE have no interest in delivering a distribution they are not committed to. Peter
Wed, 24 Jan 2024 12:37:59 +0100 Peter McD via openSUSE Users <users@lists.opensuse.org> :
Am 24.01.24 um 04:58 schrieb Ben T. Fender:
Wed, 24 Jan 2024 12:54:34 +1030 Simon Lees <sflees@suse.de> :
On 1/23/24 23:45, Ben T. Fender wrote:
I guess you're right, the infos I've read about Leap-16 somehow made me think it used some form of containerization.
That is understandable, the early ALP announcements were about containerisation only, but that has long since changed.
It's still part of the novum, actually the only good one for my money and they can call it whatever they like, I call it whatever I like. I happen to prefer flatpacking as a generic term but regardless of placarding it goes well with my idea that OS'es are just plug-ins for my favorite apps. Then there's this 'immutable' horror meaning read-only like live systems on DVD (a kind of language everyone would understand). Cloud is another favorite of mine, I call it an orchestrated attack on people's data security which in my book comes with physical access denial instead of trust in encryption or whatever else for the simple reason that if the word trust is in your dictionary than it sure as puck ain't no security dictionary.
Last century(!)
:-)
I tried out of curiosity Linux (S.U.S.E. then), moved to it from Win95 sometime around the beginning of this millennium and have been using it since then almost exclusively.
I skipped the w95 bit, was somewhere between an Apple-II, the Amiga-1000 and windows-3.x when I stumbled upon Slackware and then unto Suse just forked from it.
I'm really curious about the promise of an immutable system and whether containerizing programmes I use (if any) will have a negative impact on how I use my computer.
So, bring on Leap 16 in whatever form, I trust that the volunteers at openSUSE have no interest in delivering a distribution they are not committed to.
Peter
If I understand correctly they will run the immutable as well as the classic Leap, not sure about what that does to my slowroll but it doesn't matter anyway. The good news is that as far as I'm concerned both read-only AND flatpacking are bound to improve MY experience involving mostly sound/music/guitart stuff. Regardless of the distro used (including UbuntuStudio and AvLinux) the approximately one dozen 'apps' used in my 'studio' sessions must ALL work on the same boot, something they hardly ever do because if it isn't audacity then it's jack_capture, if it isn't rosegarden then it's yoshimy ETC. but one of them almost always bombs. -- Interests: dogs, music, animals, nature, trees, diesel engines, theology, biology, economy, bacteriae and humanity ...in that order.
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