[opensuse] Upgrading KDE 4.4 > 4.5 -- was: Graduated from "Absent trash icon" to disaster
The original thread started in late December, after I had messed up v11.3 irretrievably by trying to updated KDE4.4 to v4.5 by proceeding according to instructions that turned out to be obsolete. The conclusion was that I needed to reinstall v11.3 on a clean partition and copy over data and much else from the corrupted installation. Over a month later (day before yesterday) I got around to making the new installation, and it is working well, after only a single glitch, and is still on KDE4.4 that came from the DVD. I want now to update it to KDE v4.5 -- not v4.5.5, having just now read the following snippet written by Will Stephenson in current thread:
The kmail maintainer looked at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=265293 within a few hours and pointed out the commit to backport to 4.5 to fix the GL capabilities check. I have added this to KDE:Release:45. Please test, but not on production systems first!
I want to avoid screwing up this installation as I did the earlier one. A Google search for the "right" way to make this update shows a bewildering variety of instructions with much inconsistency, and I don't want accidentally to install v4.5.5, so even the instructions on openSuSE pages are suspect. Where can I find the RIGHT oS instructions for upgrading to KDE v4.5.[null]? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Freitag, 4. Februar 2011, 12:53:35 schrieb Stan Goodman:
I want to avoid screwing up this installation as I did the earlier one. A Google search for the "right" way to make this update shows a bewildering variety of instructions with much inconsistency, and I don't want
Why not just use the openSUSE-wiki? http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_upgrade
accidentally to install v4.5.5, so even the instructions on openSuSE pages are suspect. Where can I find the RIGHT oS instructions for upgrading to KDE v4.5.[null]?
Since there are only 4.5.5 or 4.6 packages available this is not possible unless you compile KDE yourself. And I would not know a sensible reason why 4.5.0 would be any better than 4.5.5 anyway. See http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 04 February 2011 14:19:50 Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Freitag, 4. Februar 2011, 12:53:35 schrieb Stan Goodman:
I want to avoid screwing up this installation as I did the earlier one. A Google search for the "right" way to make this update shows a bewildering variety of instructions with much inconsistency, and I don't want
Why not just use the openSUSE-wiki? http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_upgrade
accidentally to install v4.5.5, so even the instructions on openSuSE pages are suspect. Where can I find the RIGHT oS instructions for upgrading to KDE v4.5.[null]?
Since there are only 4.5.5 or 4.6 packages available this is not possible unless you compile KDE yourself. And I would not know a sensible reason why 4.5.0 would be any better than 4.5.5 anyway.
The paragraph I copied was a response to a thread about v4.5.5 collapsing after updates. I am trying to avoid unnecessary problems. I'll go to v4.5.5 if that's what there is.
See http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories
Sven
-- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 13:37, Stan Goodman wrote:
On Friday 04 February 2011 14:19:50 Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Freitag, 4. Februar 2011, 12:53:35 schrieb Stan Goodman:
I want to avoid screwing up this installation as I did the earlier one. A Google search for the "right" way to make this update shows a bewildering variety of instructions with much inconsistency, and I don't want
Why not just use the openSUSE-wiki? http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_upgrade
accidentally to install v4.5.5, so even the instructions on openSuSE pages are suspect. Where can I find the RIGHT oS instructions for upgrading to KDE v4.5.[null]?
Since there are only 4.5.5 or 4.6 packages available this is not possible unless you compile KDE yourself. And I would not know a sensible reason why 4.5.0 would be any better than 4.5.5 anyway.
The paragraph I copied was a response to a thread about v4.5.5 collapsing after updates. I am trying to avoid unnecessary problems. I'll go to v4.5.5 if that's what there is.
Stan, you may want to investigate going directly to KDE4.6.0. There have been significant changes and bug fixes leading up to the 4.6.0 release. I'm using 4.6.0 on all installs running KDE, and it's - at least on my machines - noticeably better than 4.5.5. You are starting from a clean install of 11.3, so the upgrade to 4.6.0 could well be worth it over 4.5.5. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:13:51 +0530, C <smaug42@gmail.com> wrote:
Stan, you may want to investigate going directly to KDE4.6.0. There have been significant changes and bug fixes leading up to the 4.6.0 release. I'm using 4.6.0 on all installs running KDE, and it's - at least on my machines - noticeably better than 4.5.5. You are starting from a clean install of 11.3, so the upgrade to 4.6.0 could well be worth it over 4.5.5.
+1 KDE versions actually do get better with every release these days. if you want to avoid trouble don't use a new version the day it comes out, but 4.6 is quite solid now. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 15:59, phanisvara das <listmail@phanisvara.com> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:13:51 +0530, C <smaug42@gmail.com> wrote:
Stan, you may want to investigate going directly to KDE4.6.0. There have been significant changes and bug fixes leading up to the 4.6.0 release. I'm using 4.6.0 on all installs running KDE, and it's - at least on my machines - noticeably better than 4.5.5. You are starting from a clean install of 11.3, so the upgrade to 4.6.0 could well be worth it over 4.5.5.
+1
KDE versions actually do get better with every release these days. if you want to avoid trouble don't use a new version the day it comes out, but 4.6 is quite solid now.
Especially if you use the repos here: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories#Upstream_release_aka._KR46_.28KDE_SC... C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 04 February 2011 14:43:51 C wrote:
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 13:37, Stan Goodman wrote:
On Friday 04 February 2011 14:19:50 Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Freitag, 4. Februar 2011, 12:53:35 schrieb Stan Goodman:
I want to avoid screwing up this installation as I did the earlier one. A Google search for the "right" way to make this update shows a bewildering variety of instructions with much inconsistency, and I don't want
Why not just use the openSUSE-wiki? http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_upgrade
accidentally to install v4.5.5, so even the instructions on openSuSE pages are suspect. Where can I find the RIGHT oS instructions for upgrading to KDE v4.5.[null]?
Since there are only 4.5.5 or 4.6 packages available this is not possible unless you compile KDE yourself. And I would not know a sensible reason why 4.5.0 would be any better than 4.5.5 anyway.
The paragraph I copied was a response to a thread about v4.5.5 collapsing after updates. I am trying to avoid unnecessary problems. I'll go to v4.5.5 if that's what there is.
Stan, you may want to investigate going directly to KDE4.6.0. There have been significant changes and bug fixes leading up to the 4.6.0 release. I'm using 4.6.0 on all installs running KDE, and it's - at least on my machines - noticeably better than 4.5.5. You are starting from a clean install of 11.3, so the upgrade to 4.6.0 could well be worth it over 4.5.5.
It's an idea worth considering. I'll wait a couple of days to see if anyone comments on it, pro or con. I assume that v4.6v will be in oS v11.4; is that correct? If the DVD will offer only v4.5.x, I think I would prefer to upgrade only to that now. Another idea worth considering, especially in light of the bag-of-worms of KDE4 release numbers, would be to wait for another month or month and a half, and let 11.4 make up its mind what KDE it will offer. Finding how to upgrade to v4.5.5, by the way, turns out to involve more than just consulting the oS Wiki as was suggested earlier today. The relevant page, which must have been there at some time, is no longer present; the wiki suggests that I seek it in old.opensuse.org or something of the sort, which I did. There is such a page there, but it is empty (except for a line declaring that it is empty). Now you see it, now you don't, and nothing lasts forever, even if it would still be useful. So I would be happy to have other comments on KDE v4.6. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 22:16, Stan Goodman <stan.goodman@hashkedim.com> wrote:
It's an idea worth considering. I'll wait a couple of days to see if anyone comments on it, pro or con. I assume that v4.6v will be in oS v11.4; is that correct? If the DVD will offer only v4.5.x, I think I would prefer to upgrade only to that now.
Another idea worth considering, especially in light of the bag-of-worms of KDE4 release numbers, would be to wait for another month or month and a half, and let 11.4 make up its mind what KDE it will offer.
Finding how to upgrade to v4.5.5, by the way, turns out to involve more than just consulting the oS Wiki as was suggested earlier today. The relevant page, which must have been there at some time, is no longer present; the wiki suggests that I seek it in old.opensuse.org or something of the sort, which I did. There is such a page there, but it is empty (except for a line declaring that it is empty). Now you see it, now you don't, and nothing lasts forever, even if it would still be useful.
So I would be happy to have other comments on KDE v4.6.
Don't over think the upgrade process... :-) First thing to consider... do you have a nVidia card and are you using 32bit or 64 bit? Note the conditions of this bug https://bugs.kde.org/251719 As long as you're not using that nVidia driver (eg older binary drivers work fine) on a 32 bit install you're OK. You can do the whole update via the YaST GUI if you don't want to play with CLI (the steps I've given here are quite detailed, so it looks a bit long and complicated, but it's really not that difficult): 1. Open YaST and go to Software Repositories 2. Click Add 3. Make sure that Specify URL is selected (it should be selected by default) and click Next 4. Copy/paste the first Repository URL listed here: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories#Upstream_release_aka._KR46_.28KDE_SC... 5. Type a logical name in the Repository Name field (one that makes sense to you.. eg KDE 4.6.0 Core). 6. Click Next 7. Repeat steps 2 to 5 for the other 2 repos listed 8. For each of the three repos you just added, set the priority to a lower number than the default (99). I set mine to 50. This gives the new repos a higher priority than the default KDE4 repos (lower number is higher priority). 9. Click OK. 10 Import any GPG keys when asked. Then upgrade KDE4 1. Start Software Management 2. Select the Repositories tab (if it's not already visible, click the View button and select it) 3. Select one of the 3 new KDE4.6.0 repository names in the Name box on the left 4. Click "Switch system packages to the versions in this repository" (above the package list) 5. Repeat for the other 2 new KDE4.6.0 repos. 6. Click Accept, and then click Continue on the pop up. 7. Once the upgrade to KDE is complete log out, and log back in again. You may want to reboot just to make sure everything gets a chance to have a clean start after the upgrade. You can of course do all of this at the CLI using zypper. The result is the same. The install should complete without any issues (assuming you're still starting from a clean 11.3 install),. I've tested the steps above this evening on a clean 11.3 install, upgrading the default KDE4.4.4 to KDE 4.6.0 and there were no issues. This update process is the same regardless of what version of KDE you're updating to. The only thing that changes are the Repository URLs. If you go to 4.5.5, you just use the 4.5.5 repositories instead of the 4.6.0 ones. As for pro/con... well as has been stated here on the mailing list many times... no software is bug free, but generally speaking, KDE 4.6.0 is a LOT better than its predecessors. It's still got a ways to go (things like Activities still are not 100%) but in general, it's working very well. If you're unsure about the steps, or want to test the steps before committing to doing the install on your main machine... practice in a VirtualBox guest. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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