Re: [opensuse] Ah, now we can install it?
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Greg Freemyer
If you favor stability, give it a couple months. There is a lot of testing, but sometimes a decision has to be made that affects multiple packages and they simply aren't all available on release day. This time the main culprit is bluetooth. Gnome and KDE got out of sync, but they share the bottom of the bluetooth stack.
13.1 was shipped with a broken KDE bluetooth stack. This was expected weeks (or even months) ago due to schedule issues.
Well, in this scenario, I must wait. But anyways, why I am least worried because 12.3 would be supported.
For smaller projects, they tend to ship based on new features being ready.
For distros (and the linux kernel) there are so many component pieces that it makes better sense to set routine schedule. openSUSE is using 8 months between releases. There was a slip of a couple months in summer 2012.
OH I see.
openSUSE supports 2 concurrent releases, with a 2-month overlap at each transition.
Thus last month 12.2 and 12.3 were supported. We are now in the 2-month transition to 13.1, so 12.2, 12.3 and 13.1 will be supported for 2 months. After that, 12.2 will be dropped.
And it would dropped by the end of Jan'14. We would have 12.3 to be supported till Sep'14.
Separately there is the Evergreen team which picks releases to support for 3 years. 11.4 is the current evergreen supported release. 13.1 will be the next one, so if you want to stay on a release for up to 3 years, 13.1 is a great choice. I forget when 11.4 evergreen support drops, but I think it is next summer (6-9 months from now)
Major desktop updates like for KDE / Gnome are not done via the normal updates channel.
Thus 2 options: - routine core distro updates - support updates via a add-on repo in OBS
openSUSE is currently doing both. There has been some discussion of pulling some of the packages out of core and just having them in add-on repos.
Okay. But I heard that there is some difference between Evergreen and the regular openSUSE (which is not long supported), like there are some programs which are not upgraded but only the security fixes....Though I would stick with the 18 month's support openSUSE unless especially some reason(s) exist(s). Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:48 AM, AP
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Greg Freemyer
wrote: openSUSE supports 2 concurrent releases, with a 2-month overlap at each transition.
Thus last month 12.2 and 12.3 were supported. We are now in the 2-month transition to 13.1, so 12.2, 12.3 and 13.1 will be supported for 2 months. After that, 12.2 will be dropped.
And it would dropped by the end of Jan'14. We would have 12.3 to be supported till Sep'14.
Agreed, the schedule is:- 2 months more for 12.2, 10 months more for 12.3, 18 months for 13.1
Separately there is the Evergreen team which picks releases to support for 3 years. 11.4 is the current evergreen supported release. 13.1 will be the next one, so if you want to stay on a release for up to 3 years, 13.1 is a great choice. I forget when 11.4 evergreen support drops, but I think it is next summer (6-9 months from now)
Major desktop updates like for KDE / Gnome are not done via the normal updates channel.
Thus 2 options: - routine core distro updates - support updates via a add-on repo in OBS
openSUSE is currently doing both. There has been some discussion of pulling some of the packages out of core and just having them in add-on repos.
Okay. But I heard that there is some difference between Evergreen and the regular openSUSE (which is not long supported), like there are some programs which are not upgraded but only the security fixes....Though I would stick with the 18 month's support openSUSE unless especially some reason(s) exist(s).
Evergreen has a pretty small support team and they are all volunteer. Thus they tend to watch the security patches come out for 12.2/12.3 currently, then back port them to 11.4. Sometimes the backport is difficult, so they simply update the whole package to a newer one, so it does happen, but not very often. Also a lot of the packages on OBS don't build against the Evergreen release, so you don't have as many packages to choose from. Evergreen is focused on stability, so you do loose some flexibility if you go that way. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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