On 04/13/2011 04:11 PM, Jan Ritzerfeld wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 13. April 2011 schrieb Mark Hounschell:

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Short of removing the useless udisks package, (...).

Why exactly do you think it is useless?

Because I can forcefully remove the package and NOTHING breaks. Does that help you to answer my question? Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 04/14/2011 08:40 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Mark Hounschell [04-14-11 04:25]:

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On 04/13/2011 04:11 PM, Jan Ritzerfeld wrote:

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Am Mittwoch, 13. April 2011 schrieb Mark Hounschell:

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Short of removing the useless udisks package, (...).

Why exactly do you think it is useless?

Because I can forcefully remove the package and NOTHING breaks. Does that help you to answer my question?

Ah, probably take same approach with your firewall.....

Do you even know what udisks does? If you can't help answer the question stay out of this thread please. What triggers the udisks-deamon to start? Thanks Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 04/14/2011 10:56 AM, Insomniac wrote:

On Thursday, April 14, 2011 07:40 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Mark Hounschell [04-14-11 04:25]:

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On 04/13/2011 04:11 PM, Jan Ritzerfeld wrote:

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Am Mittwoch, 13. April 2011 schrieb Mark Hounschell:

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Short of removing the useless udisks package, (...).

Why exactly do you think it is useless?

Because I can forcefully remove the package and NOTHING breaks. Does that help you to answer my question?

Ah, probably take same approach with your firewall.....

Wow, that was real helpful.

Agreed... Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 04/14/2011 03:10 PM, Jan Ritzerfeld wrote:

On Thursday 14 April 2011 10:22:52 Mark Hounschell wrote:

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On 04/13/2011 04:11 PM, Jan Ritzerfeld wrote:

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Am Mittwoch, 13. April 2011 schrieb Mark Hounschell:

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Short of removing the useless udisks package, (...).

Why exactly do you think it is useless?

Because I can forcefully remove the package and NOTHING breaks. Does that help you to answer my question?

AFAIK you need udisks for, e.g., mounting USB sticks automatically or using k3b, at least with KDE 4.6: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2011-02/msg00096.html

Can't say for sure about 11.2 since it didn't have udisks and I don't run KDE 4.6 on it, but with 11.3 and 11.4 with udisks disabled or uninstalled, when I plug in a device, USB/CD/DVD/SCSI, I still get my little pop up letting me know it and all works fine. k3b works just fine also. Still the question is, what triggers the udisks-deamon startup??? Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 04/14/2011 03:10 PM, listreader wrote:

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Still the question is, what triggers the udisks-deamon startup???

That's a real lazy-man's question. Find out for yourself...

Try: 'man udisks'

If that doesn't tell you what you want to know, then try: 'locate udisks' and look through the returned filenames for a clue.

Gad!! Whats this list turned into? A bunch of X Winblows users that have found a new place to be them selves. man udisks doesn't tell ya shit and locate will tell me less. I don't need clues. As I said earlier in this thread, if ya don't know the answer, stay out of this thread. I'm here for help for something I've investigated fairly thoroughly. I know there are SuSE people that are working on udisks and I'm using SuSE. Whats the problem? Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday, April 14, 2011 14:27 listreader wrote:

On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 16:23 -0400, Mark Hounschell wrote:

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On 04/14/2011 03:10 PM, listreader wrote:

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Still the question is, what triggers the udisks-deamon startup???

That's a real lazy-man's question. Find out for yourself...

Try: 'man udisks'

If that doesn't tell you what you want to know, then try: 'locate udisks' and look through the returned filenames for a clue.

Gad!! Whats this list turned into? A bunch of X Winblows users that have found a new place to be them selves. man udisks doesn't tell ya shit and locate will tell me less. I don't need clues. As I said earlier in this thread, if ya don't know the answer, stay out of this thread. I'm here for help for something I've investigated fairly thoroughly. I know there are SuSE people that are working on udisks and I'm using SuSE. Whats the problem?

The moron is

You. Dickcheese.

Now, go away.

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Am Donnerstag, 14. April 2011 schrieb Mark Hounschell:

On 04/14/2011 03:10 PM, listreader wrote:

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Still the question is, what triggers the udisks-deamon startup???

That's a real lazy-man's question. Find out for yourself...

Try: 'man udisks'

If that doesn't tell you what you want to know, then try: 'locate udisks' and look through the returned filenames for a clue.

Gad!! Whats this list turned into? A bunch of X Winblows users that have found a new place to be them selves. man udisks doesn't tell ya shit (...).

Don't blame others, blame yourself for not being able to understand man pages. # man 1 udisks [...] SEE ALSO udisks-daemon(8), udisks(7) # man 8 udisks-daemon [...] DESCRIPTION udisks-daemon provides the org.freedesktop.UDisks service on the system message bus. Users or administrators should never need to start this daemon as it will be automatically started by dbus-daemon(1) whenever an application calls into the org.freedesktop.UDisks service. [...] Gruß Jan -- Enough research will tend to support your theory. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Donnerstag, 14. April 2011 schrieb Mark Hounschell:

On 04/14/2011 04:48 PM, Jan Ritzerfeld wrote:

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Am Donnerstag, 14. April 2011 schrieb Mark Hounschell:

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On 04/14/2011 03:10 PM, listreader wrote:

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Still the question is, what triggers the udisks-deamon startup???

That's a real lazy-man's question. Find out for yourself...

Try: 'man udisks'

If that doesn't tell you what you want to know, then try: 'locate udisks' and look through the returned filenames for a clue.

Gad!! Whats this list turned into? A bunch of X Winblows users that have found a new place to be them selves. man udisks doesn't tell ya shit (...).

Don't blame others, blame yourself for not being able to understand man pages. # man 1 udisks [...] SEE ALSO

udisks-daemon(8), udisks(7)

# man 8 udisks-daemon [...] DESCRIPTION

udisks-daemon provides the org.freedesktop.UDisks service on the system message bus. Users or administrators should never need to start this daemon as it will be automatically started by dbus-daemon(1) whenever an application calls into the org.org.freedesktop.UDisks service.

I'm not blaming anyone for anything and I've read all that. It doesn't really tell me what I want to know. Does that make me dumb and bad?

Maybe[0]. In the beginning, you asked "[...] how can I prevent the udisk- deamon from starting". Well, I told you later that udisks-daemon wouldn't start if you really had removed udisks. Thus, I already answered your first original question. Your other question was "Whats the trigger?" and, as listreader an I told you, the answer is that it is "automatically started by dbus-daemon(1) whenever an application calls into the org.freedesktop.UDisks service." So, your second original question was answered, too.

Which application is calling into the org.freedesktop.UDisks service at boot up that starts it.

If this was your question all the time, then, please, be more specific!

It doesn't get started on all my machines. I'm just trying to figure out what and why.

See the DEBUGGING section of the udisks-daemon man page. Feel free to aks if you do not understand this section. Gruß Jan [0] http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#goal -- If you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 4/14/2011 3:05 PM, Insomniac wrote:

4+ years ago this list used to have easily 50 to 100 posts *per day*. It was a pleasure to read all the different folks' posts and helping answers. Then the azzhats like Michael Dunsavage(sp?) and Patrick and Ken and now listreader decide it's too hard to keep things simple and they got tired of anyone and everyone who just didn't seem to make their muster. They decided it's better to belittle those they don't care for, those who don't ask questions they deem worthy, ad nauseum, until one has the list as it is now...walking dead, less than 20 posts per day on average and most answers are nothing but smartass remarks that are absolutely useless to anyone - something they used to bitch about constantly, btw. In other words...it's okay for them to do as they wish, be azzholes or not, but watch what'll happen when you and I call them on their uselessness...if we ain't banned, we'll never get an answer to a post again. You watch and see.

Spot on. There are others as well. Farr too many of them have suse or novell email addresses. The other ploy is to send you packing to some other list and "rule" that your posting does not belong here. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 04/14/2011 04:21 PM, Jan Ritzerfeld wrote:

Am Donnerstag, 14. April 2011 schrieb Mark Hounschell:

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(...). Still the question is, what triggers the udisks-deamon startup???

If you really removed the udisks package ignoring the dependency of kdelibs4[0], then you would have removed the udisks-deamon binary, too[1].

Duh!!!

Therefore, it simply could not start because it is not there anymore. But since it is still started, it is there and, thus, KDE will run normally.

Where/when did I say it still started after udisks being removed? Duh!!! What I said was everything still WORKS after is has been removed. But again, the question posed to this list is what triggers the udisk deamon to start? Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward wrote:

Michael Powell said the following on 04/14/2011 05:33 PM:

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Also keep in mind that UDisks and UPower are generalized as replacements to HAL. Probably shouldn't try having both on the same system, e.g. a one _or_ the other.

Help me here. Is there something that says _definitive_ to use one or the other?

No, I don't think so. I have just had occassional glitches in the past when competing system changes overlapped one another. Even now, if I use the Dolphin GUI context menu option to "Eject disk" my CD-ROM will open and close without stopping to allow me to take the disk out. Yet using the command line instead: udisks --eject /dev/sr0 behaves correctly. So evidently KDE has a glitch in it's use of UDisks. Growing pains... I do not know enough about the subject, but from what I recall the freedesktop.org project was designed so there would be a common abstraction layer for use between various different GUI desktops and underlying OS. This would enable stuff like people who use KDE to also have Gnome applications useable on their system with minimal friction (theoretically).

# rpm -q --whatrequires hal libnjb-2.2.6-96.2.i586 libkde4-4.5.5-1.3.i586 xfce4-power-manager-0.8.4.2-3.2.i586

My system is openSUSE 11.4 and KDE 4.6.2. The same command on my box yields: no package requires hal And yet when I look at installed packages HAL is still installed.

# rpm -q --whatrequires udisks libgdu0-2.30.1-1.38.i586 pm-utils-1.3.0-10.3.1.i586

And again: testuser@workstation:~> rpm -q --whatrequires udisks libgdu0-2.32.0-5.1.x86_64 kdelibs4-4.6.2-391.3.x86_64 ^^^^^^^

And I was under the impression that ivman dealt with things like usb sticks and pcmcia cards

I wouldn't know; have never had nor used ivman.

From man ivman

<quote> Ivman, or Ikke's Volume Manager, is a daemon to handle the mounting of media as they are inserted/attached to the system. It can also be used to execute arbitrary commands when a device with certain properties is added to the system (Windows autoplay style functionality),and to execute arbitrary commands when device properties change. Ivman uses HAL to monitor the state of your system's hardware. </quote>

So wnat is invovled in switching over from hal/ivman to udisks ?

It is up to whoever writes/maintains any particular application as to which supporting library he/she wishes to link against to pull in external function support. Typically this is not something the lowly end user has much say about. The developers and packagers will be more involved in any kind of changeover and if they get it right it should "Just Work" for the end user. Dependencies will follow which ever external library(ies) a developer has chosen to link his/her application against when it is compiled into a binary executable. -Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org