[opensuse] KMail vs. Thunderbird in handling lots of e-mails
Hi List, I experience difficulties with Thunderbird, I have over 5000 emails now (lots of attachments, etc.) and I also use this list without deleting messages every day :). The things is that now when I try to open an e-mail in Thunderbird with an attachment, it will go gray(I believe this is one of the compiz's fancy stuff) and I have to kill TB from konsole because it freezes. Do you know if large number of e-mails is the cause of that, and if KMail is handling that better? I tried to switch to KMail earlier, but with lots of accounts I'm using it was pain in the butt. Now if KMail will work better with this I may consider trying to switch again. Thanks S -- Sergey Mkrtchyan, PhD Student @ Department of Physics & Astronomy, Faculty of Science, University of Waterloo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Hi List,
I experience difficulties with Thunderbird, I have over 5000 emails now (lots of attachments, etc.) and I also use this list without deleting messages every day :). The things is that now when I try to open an e-mail in Thunderbird with an attachment, it will go gray(I believe this is one of the compiz's fancy stuff) and I have to kill TB from konsole because it freezes.
Do you know if large number of e-mails is the cause of that, and if KMail is handling that better?
I tried to switch to KMail earlier, but with lots of accounts I'm using it was pain in the butt. Now if KMail will work better with this I may consider trying to switch again.
Thanks
S
Sergey - I use Thunderbird myself - I have 7 e-mail accounts and all of them are directed to the Local Folders Inbox. My Mail folder under .thunderbird is 2.3GB in size right now. The thing is, I have over 200 separate folders set up under Local Folders, and I have a large number of filters configured to automatically sort the e-mail into separate folders for the many mailing lists I subscribe to, as well as e-mail form vendor companies, etc. I don't have a speed problem that I can see. I do need to do some maintenance on my openSUSE mailing list folder as it currently has over 44,000 e-mails in it. :-) At any rate, this folder takes about 5 seconds to open when I click on it, so it's not TOO bad. For reference, I'm using a 2.0GHz AMD Athlon processor w/1GB Ram,, and a 7200RPM 200GB drive on this box. Hope this helps... -- Dave Grosvold -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dave Grosvold wrote:
At any rate, this folder takes about 5 seconds to open when I click on it, so it's not TOO bad. For reference, I'm using a 2.0GHz AMD Athlon processor w/1GB Ram,, and a 7200RPM 200GB drive on this box. Hope this helps...
-- Dave Grosvold
Thanks Dave, Well, I use Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.00GHz, 2 cores, 1 Gb ram and 80 Gb hard drive (13.6 GB available on /, and 8.3Gb available on /home), my .thunderbird folder is around 2Gb. The only thing I see is that I do not use local folders, I just have separate accounts with Inbox, Sent, etc... might that be a problem? Sergey -- Sergey Mkrtchyan, PhD Student @ Department of Physics & Astronomy, Faculty of Science, University of Waterloo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Dave Grosvold wrote:
At any rate, this folder takes about 5 seconds to open when I click on it, so it's not TOO bad. For reference, I'm using a 2.0GHz AMD Athlon processor w/1GB Ram,, and a 7200RPM 200GB drive on this box. Hope this helps...
-- Dave Grosvold
Thanks Dave,
Well, I use Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.00GHz, 2 cores, 1 Gb ram and 80 Gb hard drive (13.6 GB available on /, and 8.3Gb available on /home), my .thunderbird folder is around 2Gb.
The only thing I see is that I do not use local folders, I just have separate accounts with Inbox, Sent, etc...
might that be a problem?
Sergey
It might be. The problem is in the number of e-mails in your Inbox folder, most likely. I try to move e-mails out of my Inbox folder fairly soon after I get them so there's usually only 20 e-mails or so in there. I use the Inbox as a reminder for follow-ups and for new incoming e-mails. everything else gets filed in other folders. -- Dave Grosvold -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dave Grosvold wrote:
It might be. The problem is in the number of e-mails in your Inbox folder, most likely. I try to move e-mails out of my Inbox folder fairly soon after I get them so there's usually only 20 e-mails or so in there. I use the Inbox as a reminder for follow-ups and for new incoming e-mails. everything else gets filed in other folders.
-- Dave Grosvold
But, anyways they're local files right? Even if I move all my mails from Inbox to some folder created in Local Folders, it'll still be same folder with same amount of e-mails... I'll try to do that, though... Thanks p.s. Sorry Dave, I didn't mean to send this e-mail to your e-mail directly -- Sergey Mkrtchyan, PhD Student @ Department of Physics & Astronomy, Faculty of Science, University of Waterloo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2008-01-08 at 14:22 -0500, Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Dave Grosvold wrote:
It might be. The problem is in the number of e-mails in your Inbox folder, most likely. I try to move e-mails out of my Inbox folder fairly soon after I get them so there's usually only 20 e-mails or so in there. I use the Inbox as a reminder for follow-ups and for new incoming e-mails. everything else gets filed in other folders.
But, anyways they're local files right? Even if I move all my mails from Inbox to some folder created in Local Folders, it'll still be same folder with same amount of e-mails...
Divide and conquer, you know :-) Ie, don't move them to a single folder, use several: by list, by year, by remittent.... whatever you prefer. Plus, the inbox folder is somewhat special, I think. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHg9N3tTMYHG2NR9URAnmGAJ0TWezC2zjn3wwvibZQniVIRLLNOgCaAznN 6ChKL/uvegnfmyxKP8cW2AM= =/+1b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
But, anyways they're local files right? Even if I move all my mails from Inbox to some folder created in Local Folders, it'll still be same folder with same amount of e-mails...
Divide and conquer, you know :-)
Ie, don't move them to a single folder, use several: by list, by year, by remittent.... whatever you prefer.
Plus, the inbox folder is somewhat special, I think.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
I divided, but couldn't conquer :) I left only one message in my inbox, moving everything else in Local Folders, and again clicking on it brings that crazy gray look... (actually in status bar scroll-bar tries hard to progress, but then goes back to the beginning) Ok, I agree that message was 26 mb, but I tried with 4 Mb too, same result. Depressing... ;) Thanks -- Sergey Mkrtchyan, PhD Student @ Department of Physics & Astronomy, Faculty of Science, University of Waterloo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Jan 8, 2008 2:22 PM, Sergey Mkrtchyan <physwalker@gmail.com> wrote:
I divided, but couldn't conquer :)
I left only one message in my inbox, moving everything else in Local Folders, and again clicking on it brings that crazy gray look... (actually in status bar scroll-bar tries hard to progress, but then goes back to the beginning)
Ok, I agree that message was 26 mb, but I tried with 4 Mb too, same result. Depressing... ;)
Thanks
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Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
But, anyways they're local files right? Even if I move all my mails from Inbox to some folder created in Local Folders, it'll still be same folder with same amount of e-mails...
Divide and conquer, you know :-)
Ie, don't move them to a single folder, use several: by list, by year, by remittent.... whatever you prefer.
Plus, the inbox folder is somewhat special, I think.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
I divided, but couldn't conquer :)
I left only one message in my inbox, moving everything else in Local Folders, and again clicking on it brings that crazy gray look... (actually in status bar scroll-bar tries hard to progress, but then goes back to the beginning)
Ok, I agree that message was 26 mb, but I tried with 4 Mb too, same result. Depressing... ;)
Thanks
Carlos is right - any folder with too many e-mails is going to slow things down when you open that folder. The Inbox is different in that it's the one that opens when you start Thunderbird (if you've configured it that way,) and it is this folder that all all your filtering rules are monitoring That 26MB may have a lot to do with it also - most e-mail servers I know of usually limit the e-mail attachments sizes to something much smaller - say 2MB or so. If' you're sending 26MB files around, better use something like SSH (SFTP) or even YouSendIt <http://www.yousendit.com/> It's secure and saves you the headache of explaining to non-techies how to use FTP. -- Dave Grosvold -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2008-01-08 at 15:22 -0500, Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
I divided, but couldn't conquer :)
I left only one message in my inbox, moving everything else in Local Folders, and again clicking on it brings that crazy gray look... (actually in status bar scroll-bar tries hard to progress, but then goes back to the beginning)
Ok, I agree that message was 26 mb, but I tried with 4 Mb too, same result. Depressing... ;)
26 megs! That's too large for a single email, thunderbird might be having problems with it. Did you compact the folder? Messages are not actually removed till you compact the folder. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHhBYotTMYHG2NR9URAjp5AJ0ZM9ELBt+n+/XIaYWMKRDzlbkM3QCfbAbz 3LlZ4PsBQ0IovdPA+I2vPz4= =eFfr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Tuesday 2008-01-08 at 15:22 -0500, Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
I divided, but couldn't conquer :)
I left only one message in my inbox, moving everything else in Local Folders, and again clicking on it brings that crazy gray look... (actually in status bar scroll-bar tries hard to progress, but then goes back to the beginning)
Ok, I agree that message was 26 mb, but I tried with 4 Mb too, same result. Depressing... ;)
26 megs! That's too large for a single email, thunderbird might be having problems with it.
That shouldn't be a problem, I've got mails up to 100 mb in my account and don't have any problem. Though in my case the mails the mails are not in local folders, they're within Cyrus Imap. This looks more like a corrupt local caching index. Let Thunderbird rebuild the index. -- Sandy List replies only please! Please address PMs to: news-reply2 (@) japantest (.) homelinux (.) com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2008-01-09 at 07:16 +0100, Sandy Drobic wrote:
Ok, I agree that message was 26 mb, but I tried with 4 Mb too, same result. Depressing... ;)
26 megs! That's too large for a single email, thunderbird might be having problems with it.
That shouldn't be a problem, I've got mails up to 100 mb in my account and don't have any problem. Though in my case the mails the mails are not in local folders, they're within Cyrus Imap.
And as I use Alpine, I guess i wouldn't have problems, too :-)
This looks more like a corrupt local caching index. Let Thunderbird rebuild the index.
I forgot that. Yes, the OP could remove the *.msf files, but I think he should then recreate them with zero bytes (with touch), or thunderbird might not recognize the folder as a mail folder. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHhKpvtTMYHG2NR9URAgo2AKCRmAnFmkEsUtiy7IG9wD7/UK/0FgCffotl V10Q6B0OYiq5mp7P1/ieZko= =+taQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sandy Drobic wrote:
That shouldn't be a problem, I've got mails up to 100 mb in my account and don't have any problem. Though in my case the mails the mails are not in local folders, they're within Cyrus Imap.
This looks more like a corrupt local caching index. Let Thunderbird rebuild the index.
I removed all my *.msf files manually, and then when I restarted Thunderbird it created them, so everything went fine... I even compacted every folder after that(and now in my inbox I only have 70 e-mails) But it's still not working, I tried to open a 604 Kb attachment and it took it almost a minute (progress-bar goes till the end, then comes back and again to the end... lots of times), and what's more funny (as long as word "funny" goes here) after saving attachment somewhere, TB froze so I had to "force quit" it... Thank you all guys for the help! S -- Sergey Mkrtchyan, PhD Student @ Department of Physics & Astronomy, Faculty of Science, University of Waterloo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2008-01-09 at 09:30 -0500, Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
This looks more like a corrupt local caching index. Let Thunderbird rebuild the index.
I removed all my *.msf files manually, and then when I restarted Thunderbird it created them, so everything went fine... I even compacted every folder after that(and now in my inbox I only have 70 e-mails)
Good.
But it's still not working, I tried to open a 604 Kb attachment and it took it almost a minute (progress-bar goes till the end, then comes back and again to the end... lots of times),
Not good.
and what's more funny (as long as word "funny" goes here) after saving attachment somewhere, TB froze so I had to "force quit" it...
And too bad.
Thank you all guys for the help!
Sorry I don't know what is hapening :-( - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHhOBmtTMYHG2NR9URAqBcAJ988bfqtjS4vioWqrxVP7lEpxr66QCfd/Jq OWSoxPmLEXCWtWK0Gyxwjh8= =em4H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Sandy Drobic wrote: But it's still not working, I tried to open a 604 Kb attachment and it took it almost a minute (progress-bar goes till the end, then comes back and again to the end... lots of times), and what's more funny (as long as word "funny" goes here) after saving attachment somewhere, TB froze so I had to "force quit" it...
For clarification, by open do you mean extract the attachment to the local drive or network drive, or open the attachment with another application?
Thank you all guys for the help!
S
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G T Smith wrote:
For clarification, by open do you mean extract the attachment to the local drive or network drive, or open the attachment with another application?
Even worse... I mean just clicking on the e-mail containing attachment, I don't even touch attachment, it just won't even show me the text in the e-mail... -- Sergey Mkrtchyan, PhD Student @ Department of Physics & Astronomy, Faculty of Science, University of Waterloo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
G T Smith wrote:
For clarification, by open do you mean extract the attachment to the local drive or network drive, or open the attachment with another application?
Even worse... I mean just clicking on the e-mail containing attachment, I don't even touch attachment, it just won't even show me the text in the e-mail...
OK, second question what is your mail delivery setup? This looks too me like a corrupt mailbox/msf file related problem. I maintain my mail on a maildir based IMAP setup. After lots of experience dealing users with trashed file based mail folders with different mail clients I would never touch such a approach again. (OK I get local msf folder files but least if one of these breaks I can rebuild from the maildir server version if required). If the original is an mbox or a server based file mailfolder style configuration accessed via IMAP. Then if the original mailbox is borked then it is quite likely that that any rebuild from the original copy will be borked as well..... - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHhRQ8asN0sSnLmgIRAujGAKC72OCPPv+nZOGwvepYUSF1+IbRmwCgimqy uGHS+s42vT/umMvBAz0ahCc= =A6Nn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
G T Smith wrote:
OK, second question what is your mail delivery setup? This looks too me like a corrupt mailbox/msf file related problem.
It is just configured for POP access to gmail(though I'm not sure if this answers your question?). I didn't have that problem, and it now only occurs with attachments over 400 KB. For example with the same Thunderbird and other account I use for this mailing list everything is fine. And I remember having attachments over 10 Mb with nor problem at all. I even removed all my accounts, then manually removed folders for them, and it still didn't work with just one account. Sergey -- Sergey Mkrtchyan, PhD Student @ Department of Physics & Astronomy, Faculty of Science, University of Waterloo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
G T Smith wrote:
OK, second question what is your mail delivery setup? This looks too me like a corrupt mailbox/msf file related problem.
It is just configured for POP access to gmail(though I'm not sure if this answers your question?).
I didn't have that problem, and it now only occurs with attachments over 400 KB. For example with the same Thunderbird and other account I use for this mailing list everything is fine. And I remember having attachments over 10 Mb with nor problem at all.
I even removed all my accounts, then manually removed folders for them, and it still didn't work with just one account.
Sergey
I think this has rather narrowed it down to a gmail (and possibly Thunderbird) issue if you do not get the problem with other eMail accounts. I do not use gmail, so do not know if they have any peculiar restrictions that could explain the behaviour. A work around could be to use fetchmail to get your gmail mail and deliver it to the workstation locally and use Thunderbird to access the mail locally. - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHhkSkasN0sSnLmgIRAm1oAJ9rozzYCyEQ14VfLA8Y/2sCkEpYJQCfW6Xv YhCjVJsowYcPYXTJXc/l1OY= =iX/M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Hi List,
I experience difficulties with Thunderbird, I have over 5000 emails now (lots of attachments, etc.) and I also use this list without deleting messages every day :). The things is that now when I try to open an e-mail in Thunderbird with an attachment, it will go gray(I believe this is one of the compiz's fancy stuff) and I have to kill TB from konsole because it freezes.
Do you know if large number of e-mails is the cause of that, and if KMail is handling that better?
I tried to switch to KMail earlier, but with lots of accounts I'm using it was pain in the butt. Now if KMail will work better with this I may consider trying to switch again.
Thanks
S
I find that if the mail gets to full T-Bird slows to a crawl. I keep all my mail folders trimmed down and no problem. I've never let it get to the point that it locks things up. The trash folder is set to empty out anything over three days old. If I don't need it within three days I won't need it at all. Something that's important I save somewhere else. Just don't understand the person that pack rats EVERYTHING. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Billie Walsh wrote:
Just don't understand the person that pack rats EVERYTHING.
I've been keeping personal e-mails over 3 years or more. I don't really feel like deleting them. Ok, I have the thunderbird's folder with old emails reserved somewhere, but when I need to read something, it's a long story to bring it back... -- Sergey Mkrtchyan, PhD Student @ Department of Physics & Astronomy, Faculty of Science, University of Waterloo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Billie Walsh wrote:
Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Hi List,
I experience difficulties with Thunderbird, I have over 5000 emails now (lots of attachments, etc.) and I also use this list without deleting messages every day :). The things is that now when I try to open an e-mail in Thunderbird with an attachment, it will go gray(I believe this is one of the compiz's fancy stuff) and I have to kill TB from konsole because it freezes.
Do you know if large number of e-mails is the cause of that, and if KMail is handling that better?
I tried to switch to KMail earlier, but with lots of accounts I'm using it was pain in the butt. Now if KMail will work better with this I may consider trying to switch again.
Thanks
S
I find that if the mail gets to full T-Bird slows to a crawl. I keep all my mail folders trimmed down and no problem. I've never let it get to the point that it locks things up. The trash folder is set to empty out anything over three days old. If I don't need it within three days I won't need it at all. Something that's important I save somewhere else.
Just don't understand the person that pack rats EVERYTHING.
I agree keeping EVERYTHING is nuts! However, I've found it invaluable on many occasions that I had old e-mails from clients or vendors that I needed to get back to after several years. My problem is that it's easier for me to find in Thunderbird than when using other methods. That's why I have so many old ones. I have some e-mails that date back to 1995! In the case of most e-mail lists, I try to keep them trimmed down. I just have not had a chance to do it lately. :-) But the way I have them stored in Thunderbird, it doesn't seem to affect the performance. I've never had Thunderbird lock up on me. -- Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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