[opensuse] eSATA hotplug without eSATA backplane port?
eSATA backplane ports have all but disappeared from available new motherboards. Do converters/adapters like these[1] provide hotplug capability with newer motherboard SATA ports? [1] http://www.monoprice.com/category?c_id=104&cp_id=10407&cs_id=1040707 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> schreef:
eSATA backplane ports have all but disappeared from available new motherboards. Do converters/adapters like these[1] provide hotplug capability with newer motherboard SATA ports?
[1] http://www.monoprice.com/category?c_id=104&cp_id=10407&cs_id=1040707
There are still loads of ATX motherboards that still have them, but they are more expensive. And I believe there is no difference between a regular SATA port and an eSATA port, it is just a different plug. I haven't tried it though. But I think it would work without issue. Case-embedded eSATA front ports also just plug into a SATA port on your mainboard, nothing fancy. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2015-09-23 a las 17:14 +0200, Xen escribió:
And I believe there is no difference between a regular SATA port and an eSATA port, it is just a different plug. I haven't tried it though. But I think it would work without issue. Case-embedded eSATA front ports also just plug into a SATA port on your mainboard, nothing fancy.
I have. The adaptor is just a plug. My desktop board has some plugs that work perfectly with hotplug (external or internal), and two that do not. Different chipset. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlYC1NQACgkQja8UbcUWM1w1PwEAm+3DwcRow0NJZw2itp23Icjt h6WBQwXhMBc5ZZmmHVkA/RTi8gzklOTlx91ph6zWhgTk2D60kXGzDlt70UpONS4w =PcTp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wednesday 23 of September 2015 09:23:36 Felix Miata wrote:
eSATA backplane ports have all but disappeared from available new motherboards. Do converters/adapters like these[1] provide hotplug capability with newer motherboard SATA ports?
[1] http://www.monoprice.com/category?c_id=104&cp_id=10407&cs_id=1040707
I bought one of these and wondered about the same question some years ago. SATA connectors are hot-pluggable, but the corresponding controllers (or their drivers) need not be, especially if they're old. If your motherboard SATA controller is hot-pluggable, so should be the eSATA adapter you connect to it, as far as I know. I've been using one on this computer without problems so far. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On September 23, 2015 8:35:55 AM PDT, auxsvr <auxsvr@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday 23 of September 2015 09:23:36 Felix Miata wrote:
eSATA backplane ports have all but disappeared from available new motherboards. Do converters/adapters like these[1] provide hotplug capability with newer motherboard SATA ports?
[1] http://www.monoprice.com/category?c_id=104&cp_id=10407&cs_id=1040707
I bought one of these and wondered about the same question some years ago. SATA connectors are hot-pluggable, but the corresponding controllers (or their drivers) need not be, especially if they're old. If your motherboard SATA controller is hot-pluggable, so should be the eSATA adapter you connect to it, as far as I know. I've been using one on this computer without problems so far.
But do you ever hot plug anything? Most people don't even do that unless there is a rear panel or front panel connector on your case. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 23 September 2015 17.44:24 John Andersen wrote:
But do you ever hot plug anything?
I have two USB/eSATA enclosures I use for an array of external harddisks (backups, work stuff, videos, so on). As I said, these enclosures have an eSata prot ans I did try this one with my main box. It sure _is_ faster, but I could not get it to be hotpluggable. Actually, my system would not see the harddisc if it was not in the enclosure (and turned on) at boot. So I reverted to USB, which lets me change the discs with little fuss (not exactly hotplug: unmount, turn off the enclosure (security), slide the new disc in, turn on, mount). If there is a way to hotplug eSata I have not found it. Thierry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2015-09-23 a las 17:54 +0200, Thierry de Coulon escribió:
If there is a way to hotplug eSata I have not found it.
That's because of your SATA chipset. Your's does not accept hotpluggin. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlYC1aoACgkQja8UbcUWM1wlqQD/aSDCQNJmXzVsoymBv/mEN3oO jfSK0uSCUY9Nv+diFNUA/jtOWPQpDUcgBM2XNNwz+P3Fv5DMqc/n/pXOALfQKjWC =E8cL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
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El 2015-09-23 a las 17:54 +0200, Thierry de Coulon escribió:
If there is a way to hotplug eSata I have not found it.
That's because of your SATA chipset. Your's does not accept hotpluggin.
I agree with Carlos, except it also takes a hotplut sata driver. I have used openSUSE 13.1 on a number of laptops with a eSata port. No issues with hotplug with any of them. I typically am just doing a raw read of the drives (dd if=/dev/sdb ... ) I've used at least 5 different laptops that way this summer. I don't recall if they were all Dell's. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2015-09-23 a las 14:33 -0400, Greg Freemyer escribió:
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
El 2015-09-23 a las 17:54 +0200, Thierry de Coulon escribió:
If there is a way to hotplug eSata I have not found it.
That's because of your SATA chipset. Your's does not accept hotpluggin.
I agree with Carlos, except it also takes a hotplut sata driver.
You mean there are some with a Linux driver that doesn't support hotplug? :-? - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlYDHrIACgkQja8UbcUWM1yIcgEAlKswMpdNQLYnQv03yLqllVcv LWNHF37Apc/vSCcqH0MBAIPTjqKecw+JO4VrW0xisVSUCZrJ3KcZM4FjRM7aOtJY =w9uZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
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El 2015-09-23 a las 14:33 -0400, Greg Freemyer escribió:
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
El 2015-09-23 a las 17:54 +0200, Thierry de Coulon escribió:
If there is a way to hotplug eSata I have not found it.
That's because of your SATA chipset. Your's does not accept hotpluggin.
I agree with Carlos, except it also takes a hotplut sata driver.
You mean there are some with a Linux driver that doesn't support hotplug?
I'm just remembering years ago when sata was young. There were situations where the hardware was hotplug, but not the software. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2015-09-23 a las 18:24 -0400, Greg Freemyer escribió:
You mean there are some with a Linux driver that doesn't support hotplug?
I'm just remembering years ago when sata was young. There were situations where the hardware was hotplug, but not the software.
Oh, I see. I didn't live that situation. Perhaps I was lucky. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlYDLjMACgkQja8UbcUWM1wU2gD9FwER3oJJzqpuxIgg0AIpeyUl zZ6cHoOHW6KiyLUuZvAA/iAqeMNUZjd0Tb+2jsXgA9BKegQXbIqwAt7faYj4DxJE =it5e -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wednesday 23 of September 2015 17:54:21 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
I have two USB/eSATA enclosures I use for an array of external harddisks (backups, work stuff, videos, so on).
As I said, these enclosures have an eSata prot ans I did try this one with my main box. It sure _is_ faster, but I could not get it to be hotpluggable. Actually, my system would not see the harddisc if it was not in the enclosure (and turned on) at boot.
Is your controller in AHCI mode, configured in the BIOS? Perhaps hotplug only works in this mode. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 23 of September 2015 08:44:24 John Andersen wrote:
I bought one of these and wondered about the same question some years ago. SATA connectors are hot-pluggable, but the corresponding controllers (or their drivers) need not be, especially if they're old. If your motherboard SATA controller is hot-pluggable, so should be the eSATA adapter you connect to it, as far as I know. I've been using one on this computer without problems so far.
But do you ever hot plug anything?
Yes, the external disk for backup. Rarely, it is not recognised by the controller, but this must be related to the controller of the enclosure, because a power cycle of the enclosure resolves this.
Most people don't even do that unless there is a rear panel or front panel connector on your case.
I'm using a SATA to eSATA adapter, just like the one Felix posted. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2015-09-23 a las 08:44 -0700, John Andersen escribió:
But do you ever hot plug anything?
I do. On both type of conectors. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlYC1TMACgkQja8UbcUWM1xADQD/bkrTdqAiwPN2JQDSJ4rBcNfn fRv8h4nbcmvhyl0A2mgA/0zF41wUOeNZ4CC9uvuniNpjqIwf6QqUtLvb/GfSiths =0Pa2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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