[opensuse] Partition / full on SuSE leap 15?
Hello, I was trying SuSE leap 15 on some older laptop with XFCE since KDE5 trashed the multiple virtual desktops in favour of some activity stuff that I do not like. Today after not using the laptop for a longer time I started this laptop when suddenly it said that / is full. I was partitioning the disk so that /var ... 18447056k / ... 11287752k /home ... 137612008k So approx 11.3GB seem to be too small for / ? I was not able to start XFCE with the 100% full /, opened a terminal and cleaned a few things in / . Now I can use XFCE again. Question: are there suggestions for a full blown SuSE leap 15 system to give enough space to / ? Where can I read that? Thanks in advance -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op zondag 7 april 2019 16:54:09 CEST schreef Markus Egg:
Hello,
I was trying SuSE leap 15 on some older laptop with XFCE since KDE5 trashed the multiple virtual desktops in favour of some activity stuff that I do not like.
Today after not using the laptop for a longer time I started this laptop when suddenly it said that / is full. I was partitioning the disk so that /var ... 18447056k / ... 11287752k /home ... 137612008k
So approx 11.3GB seem to be too small for / ?
I was not able to start XFCE with the 100% full /, opened a terminal and cleaned a few things in / . Now I can use XFCE again.
Question: are there suggestions for a full blown SuSE leap 15 system to give enough space to / ? Where can I read that?
Thanks in advance What is the filesystem used for / ? Please show us the output of cat /etc/fstab
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Am 07/04/2019 um 17:06 schrieb Knurpht-openSUSE:
Op zondag 7 april 2019 16:54:09 CEST schreef Markus Egg:
Hello,
I was trying SuSE leap 15 on some older laptop with XFCE since KDE5 trashed the multiple virtual desktops in favour of some activity stuff that I do not like.
Today after not using the laptop for a longer time I started this laptop when suddenly it said that / is full. I was partitioning the disk so that /var ... 18447056k / ... 11287752k /home ... 137612008k
So approx 11.3GB seem to be too small for / ?
I was not able to start XFCE with the 100% full /, opened a terminal and cleaned a few things in / . Now I can use XFCE again.
Question: are there suggestions for a full blown SuSE leap 15 system to give enough space to / ? Where can I read that?
Thanks in advance What is the filesystem used for / ? Please show us the output of cat /etc/fstab
When I cat, the output is somehow trashed in thunderbird so I omit the UUIDs to make it more readable: / ext4 acl,user_xattr 0 1 swap swap defaults 0 0 /var ext4 data=ordered,acl,user_xattr 0 2 /home ext4 data=ordered,acl,user_xattr 0 2 and 2 Windows mounts which are simple ntfs defaults 0 0 each. BR -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 07/04/2019 um 17:06 schrieb Knurpht-openSUSE:
Op zondag 7 april 2019 16:54:09 CEST schreef Markus Egg:
Hello,
I was trying SuSE leap 15 on some older laptop with XFCE since KDE5 trashed the multiple virtual desktops in favour of some activity stuff that I do not like.
Today after not using the laptop for a longer time I started this laptop when suddenly it said that / is full. I was partitioning the disk so that /var ... 18447056k / ... 11287752k /home ... 137612008k
So approx 11.3GB seem to be too small for / ?
I was not able to start XFCE with the 100% full /, opened a terminal and cleaned a few things in / . Now I can use XFCE again.
Question: are there suggestions for a full blown SuSE leap 15 system to give enough space to / ? Where can I read that?
Thanks in advance
What is the filesystem used for / ? Please show us the output of cat /etc/fstab
When I cat, the output is somehow trashed in thunderbird so I omit the UUIDs to make it more readable:
/ ext4 acl,user_xattr 0 1 swap swap defaults 0 0 /var ext4 data=ordered,acl,user_xattr 0 2 /home ext4 data=ordered,acl,user_xattr 0 2
and 2 Windows mounts which are simple ntfs defaults 0 0 each.
BR Q: So now you have both KDE and Xfce installed? AFAIK that would still fit on 11.3GB . Though personally I would recommend 20GB for / when on ext4. IIRC
Op zondag 7 april 2019 17:56:31 CEST schreef Markus Egg: that was the stock value for the installer when ext4 still was the default. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 07/04/2019 um 18:04 schrieb Knurpht-openSUSE:
Op zondag 7 april 2019 17:56:31 CEST schreef Markus Egg:
Am 07/04/2019 um 17:06 schrieb Knurpht-openSUSE:
Op zondag 7 april 2019 16:54:09 CEST schreef Markus Egg:
Hello,
I was trying SuSE leap 15 on some older laptop with XFCE since KDE5 trashed the multiple virtual desktops in favour of some activity stuff that I do not like.
Today after not using the laptop for a longer time I started this laptop when suddenly it said that / is full. I was partitioning the disk so that /var ... 18447056k / ... 11287752k /home ... 137612008k
So approx 11.3GB seem to be too small for / ?
I was not able to start XFCE with the 100% full /, opened a terminal and cleaned a few things in / . Now I can use XFCE again.
Question: are there suggestions for a full blown SuSE leap 15 system to give enough space to / ? Where can I read that?
Thanks in advance
What is the filesystem used for / ? Please show us the output of cat /etc/fstab
When I cat, the output is somehow trashed in thunderbird so I omit the UUIDs to make it more readable:
/ ext4 acl,user_xattr 0 1 swap swap defaults 0 0 /var ext4 data=ordered,acl,user_xattr 0 2 /home ext4 data=ordered,acl,user_xattr 0 2
and 2 Windows mounts which are simple ntfs defaults 0 0 each.
BR Q: So now you have both KDE and Xfce installed?
Yes.
AFAIK that would still fit on 11.3GB . Though personally I would recommend 20GB for / when on ext4. IIRC that was the stock value for the installer when ext4 still was the default.
Ok so maybe that is the reason. Can I read the suggested minimum values somewhere? BR -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/04/2019 18.07, Markus Egg wrote:
Am 07/04/2019 um 18:04 schrieb Knurpht-openSUSE:
Q: So now you have both KDE and Xfce installed?
Yes.
AFAIK that would still fit on 11.3GB . Though personally I would recommend 20GB for / when on ext4. IIRC that was the stock value for the installer when ext4 still was the default.
Ok so maybe that is the reason. Can I read the suggested minimum values somewhere?
I don't know if such a page exists. The values are empirical. For instance, I have a small test system on a single 9G partition (plus swap), but I can not install many things nor store big things on home. Do you have some strong reason to create a separate /var partition? Joining both var and root would give you ample space. In general, when disk space is little, it is best to limit the number of partitions. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Markus Egg <Markus.Egg@A1.net> [04-07-19 11:58]:
Am 07/04/2019 um 17:06 schrieb Knurpht-openSUSE:
Op zondag 7 april 2019 16:54:09 CEST schreef Markus Egg:
Hello,
I was trying SuSE leap 15 on some older laptop with XFCE since KDE5 trashed the multiple virtual desktops in favour of some activity stuff that I do not like.
Today after not using the laptop for a longer time I started this laptop when suddenly it said that / is full. I was partitioning the disk so that /var ... 18447056k / ... 11287752k /home ... 137612008k
So approx 11.3GB seem to be too small for / ?
I was not able to start XFCE with the 100% full /, opened a terminal and cleaned a few things in / . Now I can use XFCE again.
Question: are there suggestions for a full blown SuSE leap 15 system to give enough space to / ? Where can I read that?
Thanks in advance What is the filesystem used for / ? Please show us the output of cat /etc/fstab
When I cat, the output is somehow trashed in thunderbird so I omit the UUIDs to make it more readable:
/ ext4 acl,user_xattr 0 1 swap swap defaults 0 0 /var ext4 data=ordered,acl,user_xattr 0 2 /home ext4 data=ordered,acl,user_xattr 0 2
and 2 Windows mounts which are simple ntfs defaults 0 0 each.
why would you allocate 18.4GB to var and only 11.3GB to the root filesystem? and perhaps you might reduce home from 137.6GB to allocate more space to the root filesystem. or make var part of the root filesystem and allow them to share 40GB which is probably prudent? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 12:07:21 -0400 Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> wrote:
why would you allocate 18.4GB to var and only 11.3GB to the root filesystem?
Maybe there's a lot of database storage? Or any other application data.
and perhaps you might reduce home from 137.6GB to allocate more space to the root filesystem.
Maybe there's a lot of photos or videos? Who knows.
or make var part of the root filesystem and allow them to share 40GB which is probably prudent?
Certainly my system has 41 GB of btrfs root with var as a subvolume. So I suppose that would be fine. To say anything specific about Markus' system we would need to see some evidence of the actual usage. e.g du -sh /* output. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 19:52:09 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 12:07:21 -0400 Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> wrote:
why would you allocate 18.4GB to var and only 11.3GB to the root filesystem?
Maybe there's a lot of database storage? Or any other application data.
and perhaps you might reduce home from 137.6GB to allocate more space to the root filesystem.
Maybe there's a lot of photos or videos? Who knows.
or make var part of the root filesystem and allow them to share 40GB which is probably prudent?
Certainly my system has 41 GB of btrfs root with var as a subvolume. So I suppose that would be fine.
To say anything specific about Markus' system we would need to see some evidence of the actual usage. e.g du -sh /* output.
Hello: Independently of this post I just read about it yesterday when checked the opensuse site: https://software.opensuse.org/distributions/leap It says: Recommended System Requirements 2 Ghz dual core processor or better 2 GB system memory Over 40GB of free hard drive space Either a DVD drive or USB port for the installation media Internet access is helpful, and required for the Network Installer I guess it applies to the default package installation pattern settings. Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/04/2019 12.48, Istvan Gabor wrote:
Hello:
Independently of this post I just read about it yesterday when checked the opensuse site:
https://software.opensuse.org/distributions/leap
It says:
Recommended System Requirements
2 Ghz dual core processor or better 2 GB system memory Over 40GB of free hard drive space Either a DVD drive or USB port for the installation media Internet access is helpful, and required for the Network Installer
I guess it applies to the default package installation pattern settings.
Those figures are always "arguable". For instance, I assume that the defaults use btrfs with snapshots; in that case, I would recommend at least 100..120GB for root. And minimal requirement is a different figure: 10 GB with ext4 is certainly possible. Even less with care. Then about the RAM. I find 2 GiB scarce: I have 8 GiB and my system swaps heavily. A single process like Thunderbird or Firefox can easily tak 1 GiB or more each. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2019-04-08 6:48 a.m., Istvan Gabor wrote:
Recommended System Requirements
That should read Absolute bare minimum that might get you booted in some optimistic cases if you don't load many applications, a minimalist or no GUI/X system and no data. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 08/04/2019 à 16:18, Anton Aylward a écrit :
On 2019-04-08 6:48 a.m., Istvan Gabor wrote:
Recommended System Requirements
That should read Absolute bare minimum that might get you booted in some optimistic cases if you don't load many applications, a minimalist or no GUI/X system and no data.
works on very old 32 bits demo machines, but I'm now moving them to Debian jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 10:18:11 -0400 Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> wrote:
On 2019-04-08 6:48 a.m., Istvan Gabor wrote:
Recommended System Requirements
That should read Absolute bare minimum that might get you booted in some optimistic cases if you don't load many applications, a minimalist or no GUI/X system and no data.
I think that's nonsense. I have: # du -sh /* 0 /backup 2.1M /bin 126M /boot 8.0K /dev 27M /etc 296G /home 814M /lib 12M /lib64 0 /mnt 481M /opt 0 /proc 197M /root 1.7M /run 11M /sbin 0 /selinux 49G /srv 0 /sys 455M /tmp 12G /usr 1.1G /var 722K /win-data # df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda9 41G 25G 15G 63% / /home is a separate partition, and so is /srv (well /srv/live-tv specifically). But they are specifically data to be excluded. I'm running btrfs for root and have snapshots enabled, though with pruning rules. /var is about 30% rpm backups, 30% logs, 20% cache, 20% data in /var/lib (mostly mariadb tables). I haven't looked in those or bothered pruning. I have LXDE installed and lots of gnome and KDE apps so I expect I have lots of their libraries, as well as lots of other weird software. So I think 40 GB is a pefectly sensible root size. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 08/04/2019 à 17:52, Dave Howorth a écrit :
I'm running btrfs for root and have snapshots enabled, though with ts of their libraries, as well as lots of other weird software.
So I think 40 GB is a pefectly sensible root size.
you may have to run daily updates, because I was several times stuck with such size jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 18:00:30 +0200 "jdd@dodin.org" <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Le 08/04/2019 à 17:52, Dave Howorth a écrit :
I'm running btrfs for root and have snapshots enabled, though with ts of their libraries, as well as lots of other weird software.
So I think 40 GB is a pefectly sensible root size.
you may have to run daily updates, because I was several times stuck with such size
No I don't. As I say, it is a perfectly sensible size.
jdd
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Anton Aylward composed on 2019-04-08 10:18 (UTC-0400):
On 2019-04-08 6:48 a.m., Istvan Gabor wrote:
Recommended System Requirements
That should read Absolute bare minimum that might get you booted in some optimistic cases if you don't load many applications, a minimalist or no GUI/X system and no data.
All my 32bit TW installations are on 4.8GB EXT3 partitions with only /usr/local and /home on separate filesystems. They typically retain about 5 kernel versions, but Chromium, Gimp, *office* and *java*, among other big space consumers, are on none, and /etc/zypp/zypp.conf contains "solver.onlyRequires = true". -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2019-04-07 10:54 a.m., Markus Egg wrote:
Hello,
I was trying SuSE leap 15 on some older laptop with XFCE since KDE5 trashed the multiple virtual desktops in favour of some activity stuff that I do not like.
Today after not using the laptop for a longer time I started this laptop when suddenly it said that / is full. I was partitioning the disk so that /var ... 18447056k / ... 11287752k /home ... 137612008k
So approx 11.3GB seem to be too small for / ?
The OOPS that I see is something I occasionally get roasted for. I put /tmp on a separate partition (or since I use LVM, a separate LV). There are many processes that might legitimately use copious quantities of /tmp, and a few that might illegitimately or carelessly do so. Take a look: Oh my, all those 'systemd-private*', 'ssh-*' and 'gpg-*' that get left behind and not cleaned out and accumulate. Now since I have those on separate partition I can still log in since my root partition isn't jammed solid even if my /tmp is. OK, I can't do much until I clean out my /tmp, but at least I can log in. An absolutely full root partition, as I'm sure you've found, makes life very difficult for GUI users! The real answer to your question is "it all depends". my home desktop has separate /srv and /opt and /var (which I also get roasted for occasionally (and probably rightly so if it comes to "15")). But then I fill the srv with web site stuff and the .opt with a lot of experimental stuff. My root partition includes /usr, BUT I've moved the man pages and stuff off to a separate volume. So I get; # df -h / Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/vgmain-vROOT4 ext4 40G 5.3G 34G 14% / Oh my! I should be using reiserfs so I can shrink that! and currently, after a recent clean out: # df -h /tmp Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/vgmain-vTMP ext4 9.8G 31M 9.2G 1% /tmp I have a rather small for my memory load SWAP # swapon -s Filename Type Size Used Priority /dev/sda2 partition 5858300 0 2 but then, as you see, even with a firefox @ 300+ tabs and a Thunderbird with over 30 accounts, I don't need swap. pay for all the real memory you can get. Like the old IBMer said: "Virtual memory means virtual performance". -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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Patrick Shanahan