Re: [SLE] SuSE, are you straying????? Lenz, whats going on..
I didn't know the GPL said: Every distribution working on Linux has to create an iso image for the general public for download through linuxiso.org. What is the norm? Aren't all Linux users, people who stray from the norm(Windows) anyhow? I think it is good they produce no evaluation iso because then there is no conflict with YaST and its licensing issues. Problem solved. The stuff linuxiso.org writes doesn't even make clear if they are just upset about SuSE not bringing out an iso or if they are upset YaST has a proprietory license. We are talking two different things here. mk
From: "NOC - Kulish Consulting" <noc@kulish.com> To: <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Subject: [SLE] SuSE, are you straying????? Lenz, whats going on.. Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:30:56 -0600
I got the following blurb from linuxiso.org -----
"3. Dissemination - It is forbidden to reproduce or distribute data carriers ( read cd's? Update - Now that I think about this, 'data carriers' sounds a lot like wires and cables, sometimes called the Internet. ) which have been reproduced without authorisation for payment without the prior written consent of SuSE GmbH or SuSE Linux. Distribution of the YaST programme, its sources, whether amended or unamended in full or in part thereof, and the works derived thereof for a charge require the prior written consent of SuSE GmbH." I've read the GPL, several times, but don't understand it well enough to KNOW whether or not this complies with the letter of the GPL. I do FEEL, however, that this DOES NOT comply with the intent of the GPL, namely, that the distribution of software containing or derived from other GPL software shall NOT be restricted, in any way. This looks, sounds and smells like a restriction to me. Coming on the heels of a delayed public release of files only, no iso image, I'm starting to get the feeling that SuSE doesn't want to play nice with anyone who doesn't want to buy SuSE in a box. I could be wrong, hell I hope I'm wrong, but until I get some clarification on this, I am taking our SuSE page down (not like it has any value now) and substituting this message in its place. I also intend to return a review copy of SuSE 7.1 Professional. - Carlie
-----
Can someone PLEASE tell me what it is going on?
Lenz, is SuSE going to release a 7.1 iso? Is SuSE straying from the norm (and the GPL) here? I have purchased 4 boxed sets of SuSE Linux, which if this turns out to be how SuSE chooses to do business, they will be my last.
Chris Kulish
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I know this properly belongs on the SAMBA list, but I thought I'd post it here first...I'm on enough lists as it is... Anyway, I just tried moving our ACT database over to the Linux box, and everything worked fine for about an hour or so, then I started getting reports of 'A Fatal Error has occurred', which went away, then people were missing their Calendar stuff (after the same error), and finally, it crashed on a couple of people, and when they tried to get back into the database, ACT said that the indexes were corrupted. I rebuilt the indexes, and it did it again about half an hour later, so I finally had to move the database back to the NT server :( Anyone have any idea whats going on here? I read somewhere that the older versions of SAMBA required Netbeui on the clients, but I assumed (oops) that since it APPEAREd to work (they saw the share, connected fine, and were able to open/work with files) that it was no longer necessary - am I wrong? Thanks for any help/suggestions Charles Marcus
I also had some file corruption on a SuSE 6.4 setup with Samba 2.0.7. Word 97 and 2000 files would get corrupted, and our Oracle Forms and Reports files were corrupted. Word files would get corrupted about 1/month, and the Oracle files would get corrupted about 10/week. Also had to reboot this 6.4 server quite often due to file lock problems. After upgrading to SuSE 7.1, I have yet to have a problem. Running kernel 2.4.0 and Samba 2.0.7. Chris Geske LIMS Manager Northern Lake Service, Inc. email: lims@newnorth.net phone: 715-478-2777
Well, that might explain it... I am running the 2.2.18 kernel - maybe 2.4 handles something differently. I did install the 2.4 kernel, so I may give that a try, although I was wanting to wait a while for most of the bugs to get worked out. thanks Charles -----Original Message----- From: Chris Geske [mailto:lims@newnorth.net] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 11:33 AM To: Charles Marcus; suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: RE: [SLE] File sharing/data corruption with Win2K clients/SAMBA I also had some file corruption on a SuSE 6.4 setup with Samba 2.0.7. Word 97 and 2000 files would get corrupted, and our Oracle Forms and Reports files were corrupted. Word files would get corrupted about 1/month, and the Oracle files would get corrupted about 10/week. Also had to reboot this 6.4 server quite often due to file lock problems. After upgrading to SuSE 7.1, I have yet to have a problem. Running kernel 2.4.0 and Samba 2.0.7. Chris Geske LIMS Manager Northern Lake Service, Inc. email: lims@newnorth.net phone: 715-478-2777
Hello Charles, On Friday 23 March 2001 17:02, Charles Marcus wrote:
missing their Calendar stuff (after the same error), and finally, it crashed on a couple of people, and when they tried to get back into the database, ACT said that the indexes were corrupted.
This looks like a problem with file locks. Are all users/programs using the database via samba? No updates or backups being done in the mean time from the box self or via NFS? Did you set a deny all lock somewhere? (If such a thing can be done within samba) BB, Arjen
Hi Arjen, Yes, everyone is using the database via SAMBA (at least they were until I put it back on the Win2K server), no updates or backups were running, and no, I didn't deny locks. I'm stumped - I found a few messages about this problem (one guy also with an ACT 2000 database), but no apparent resolution. This is bad - it might actuall kill my boss's willingness to give Linux a try. :-( Charles Marcus I.T. Director Media Brokers International CharlesM@Media-Brokers.com -----Original Message----- From: Arjen Runsink [mailto:arjen@technologist.com] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 11:52 AM To: Charles Marcus; suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] File sharing/data corruption with Win2K clients/SAMBA Hello Charles, On Friday 23 March 2001 17:02, Charles Marcus wrote:
missing their Calendar stuff (after the same error), and finally, it crashed on a couple of people, and when they tried to get back into the database, ACT said that the indexes were corrupted.
This looks like a problem with file locks. Are all users/programs using the database via samba? No updates or backups being done in the mean time from the box self or via NFS? Did you set a deny all lock somewhere? (If such a thing can be done within samba) BB, Arjen
Hello Charles, Well check your samba.conf use man samba.conf as your reference. For the share that holds the database: set oplocks to false for that share fake oplocks and oplocks level2 should be disabled kernel oplocks enabled (does this function already in 2.4.x?) locking=yes "max connections" should be high, sometimes software can make multiple connections to a database. "ole locking compatibility" test with this one, especially if you share word, excell and access databases. Try thease, and read the help for these parameters. BB, Arjen On Saturday 24 March 2001 21:55, Charles Marcus wrote:
Hi Arjen,
Yes, everyone is using the database via SAMBA (at least they were until I put it back on the Win2K server), no updates or backups were running, and no, I didn't deny locks.
Hi Arjen, Thanks for the suggestions - I will give these a try Charles -----Original Message----- From: Arjen Runsink [mailto:arjen@technologist.com] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 4:22 AM To: Charles Marcus; suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] File sharing/data corruption with Win2K clients/SAMBA Hello Charles, Well check your samba.conf use man samba.conf as your reference. For the share that holds the database: set oplocks to false for that share fake oplocks and oplocks level2 should be disabled kernel oplocks enabled (does this function already in 2.4.x?) locking=yes "max connections" should be high, sometimes software can make multiple connections to a database. "ole locking compatibility" test with this one, especially if you share word, excell and access databases. Try thease, and read the help for these parameters. BB, Arjen On Saturday 24 March 2001 21:55, Charles Marcus wrote:
Hi Arjen,
Yes, everyone is using the database via SAMBA (at least they were until I put it back on the Win2K server), no updates or backups were running, and no, I didn't deny locks.
Hey, Im trying to figure out what is going on is all. One of the reasons I chose SuSE was that there was an ISO available to test before I bought. Now that choice seems to have been removed, so SuSE doesnt look as appealing any more. And no, the GPL doesnt say every distro blah, blah.... leave the smarta$$ attitude at the door. I was just writing about my concerns that it appears the eval system is coming to an end at SuSE. I am concerned because I like this distro better than any other. But that doesnt mean I will blindly buy the next version, expecially when they come out as often as they do. But you are right on one point, we have all strayed from the "norm" (windows), and I am glad to be straying regardless of the minor issues. Chris Kulish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Purple Shirt" <purpleshirt@hotmail.com> To: <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE, are you straying????? Lenz, whats going on..
I didn't know the GPL said:
Every distribution working on Linux has to create an iso image for the general public for download through linuxiso.org.
What is the norm? Aren't all Linux users, people who stray from the norm(Windows) anyhow?
I think it is good they produce no evaluation iso because then there is no conflict with YaST and its licensing issues. Problem solved. The stuff linuxiso.org writes doesn't even make clear if they are just upset about SuSE not bringing out an iso or if they are upset YaST has a proprietory license. We are talking two different things here.
mk
From: "NOC - Kulish Consulting" <noc@kulish.com> To: <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Subject: [SLE] SuSE, are you straying????? Lenz, whats going on.. Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:30:56 -0600
I got the following blurb from linuxiso.org -----
"3. Dissemination - It is forbidden to reproduce or distribute data carriers ( read cd's? Update - Now that I think about this, 'data carriers' sounds
lot like wires and cables, sometimes called the Internet. ) which have been reproduced without authorisation for payment without the prior written consent of SuSE GmbH or SuSE Linux. Distribution of the YaST programme, its sources, whether amended or unamended in full or in part thereof, and the works derived thereof for a charge require the prior written consent of SuSE GmbH." I've read the GPL, several times, but don't understand it well enough to KNOW whether or not this complies with the letter of the GPL. I do FEEL, however, that this DOES NOT comply with the intent of the GPL, namely,
a that
the distribution of software containing or derived from other GPL software shall NOT be restricted, in any way. This looks, sounds and smells like a restriction to me. Coming on the heels of a delayed public release of files only, no iso image, I'm starting to get the feeling that SuSE doesn't want to play nice with anyone who doesn't want to buy SuSE in a box. I could be wrong, hell I hope I'm wrong, but until I get some clarification on this, I am taking our SuSE page down (not like it has any value now) and substituting this message in its place. I also intend to return a review copy of SuSE 7.1 Professional. - Carlie
-----
Can someone PLEASE tell me what it is going on?
Lenz, is SuSE going to release a 7.1 iso? Is SuSE straying from the norm (and the GPL) here? I have purchased 4 boxed sets of SuSE Linux, which if this turns out to be how SuSE chooses to do business, they will be my last.
Chris Kulish
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I saw SuSE's announcement of the release of the ISO last week. JLK On Friday 23 March 2001 10:23, NOC - Kulish Consulting wrote:
Hey, Im trying to figure out what is going on is all. One of the reasons I chose SuSE was that there was an ISO available to test before I bought. Now that choice seems to have been removed, so SuSE doesnt look as appealing any more.
And no, the GPL doesnt say every distro blah, blah.... leave the smarta$$ attitude at the door.
I was just writing about my concerns that it appears the eval system is coming to an end at SuSE. I am concerned because I like this distro better than any other. But that doesnt mean I will blindly buy the next version, expecially when they come out as often as they do.
But you are right on one point, we have all strayed from the "norm" (windows), and I am glad to be straying regardless of the minor issues.
Chris Kulish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Purple Shirt" <purpleshirt@hotmail.com> To: <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE, are you straying????? Lenz, whats going on..
I didn't know the GPL said:
Every distribution working on Linux has to create an iso image for the general public for download through linuxiso.org.
What is the norm? Aren't all Linux users, people who stray from the norm(Windows) anyhow?
I think it is good they produce no evaluation iso because then there is no conflict with YaST and its licensing issues. Problem solved. The stuff linuxiso.org writes doesn't even make clear if they are just upset about SuSE not bringing out an iso or if they are upset YaST has a proprietory license. We are talking two different things here.
mk
From: "NOC - Kulish Consulting" <noc@kulish.com> To: <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Subject: [SLE] SuSE, are you straying????? Lenz, whats going on.. Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:30:56 -0600
I got the following blurb from linuxiso.org -----
"3. Dissemination - It is forbidden to reproduce or distribute data carriers ( read cd's? Update - Now that I think about this, 'data carriers' sounds
a
lot like wires and cables, sometimes called the Internet. ) which have
been
reproduced without authorisation for payment without the prior written consent of SuSE GmbH or SuSE Linux. Distribution of the YaST programme,
its
sources, whether amended or unamended in full or in part thereof, and the works derived thereof for a charge require the prior written consent of SuSE GmbH." I've read the GPL, several times, but don't understand it well enough to KNOW whether or not this complies with the letter of the GPL. I do
FEEL,
however, that this DOES NOT comply with the intent of the GPL, namely,
that
the distribution of software containing or derived from other GPL
software
shall NOT be restricted, in any way. This looks, sounds and smells like a restriction to me. Coming on the heels of a delayed public release of
files
only, no iso image, I'm starting to get the feeling that SuSE doesn't
want
to play nice with anyone who doesn't want to buy SuSE in a box. I could
be
wrong, hell I hope I'm wrong, but until I get some clarification on this,
I
am taking our SuSE page down (not like it has any value now) and substituting this message in its place. I also intend to return a review copy of SuSE 7.1 Professional. - Carlie
-----
Can someone PLEASE tell me what it is going on?
Lenz, is SuSE going to release a 7.1 iso? Is SuSE straying from the norm (and the GPL) here? I have purchased 4 boxed sets of SuSE Linux, which
if
this turns out to be how SuSE chooses to do business, they will be my
last.
Chris Kulish
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Now, thats what I thought I saw on the list too. But it does seem to be taking a while in this case. Its not really critical to me anyway, I dont think 7.1 is that big of a jump from 7.0 (with the 2.4.2 kernel), which I am running now. Chris Kulish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Kreps" <jerrykreps@jlkreps.net> To: "NOC - Kulish Consulting" <noc@kulish.com>; <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE, are you straying????? Lenz, whats going on..
I saw SuSE's announcement of the release of the ISO last week. JLK
On Friday 23 March 2001 10:23, NOC - Kulish Consulting wrote:
Hey, Im trying to figure out what is going on is all. One of the reasons I chose SuSE was that there was an ISO available to test before I bought. Now that choice seems to have been removed, so SuSE doesnt look as appealing any more.
And no, the GPL doesnt say every distro blah, blah.... leave the smarta$$ attitude at the door.
I was just writing about my concerns that it appears the eval system is coming to an end at SuSE. I am concerned because I like this distro better than any other. But that doesnt mean I will blindly buy the next version, expecially when they come out as often as they do.
But you are right on one point, we have all strayed from the "norm" (windows), and I am glad to be straying regardless of the minor issues.
Chris Kulish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Purple Shirt" <purpleshirt@hotmail.com> To: <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE, are you straying????? Lenz, whats going on..
I didn't know the GPL said:
Every distribution working on Linux has to create an iso image for the general public for download through linuxiso.org.
What is the norm? Aren't all Linux users, people who stray from the norm(Windows) anyhow?
I think it is good they produce no evaluation iso because then there is no conflict with YaST and its licensing issues. Problem solved. The stuff linuxiso.org writes doesn't even make clear if they are just upset about SuSE not bringing out an iso or if they are upset YaST has a proprietory license. We are talking two different things here.
mk
From: "NOC - Kulish Consulting" <noc@kulish.com> To: <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Subject: [SLE] SuSE, are you straying????? Lenz, whats going on.. Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:30:56 -0600
I got the following blurb from linuxiso.org -----
"3. Dissemination - It is forbidden to reproduce or distribute data carriers ( read cd's? Update - Now that I think about this, 'data carriers' sounds
a
lot like wires and cables, sometimes called the Internet. ) which have
been
reproduced without authorisation for payment without the prior written consent of SuSE GmbH or SuSE Linux. Distribution of the YaST programme,
its
sources, whether amended or unamended in full or in part thereof, and the works derived thereof for a charge require the prior written consent of SuSE GmbH." I've read the GPL, several times, but don't understand it well enough to KNOW whether or not this complies with the letter of the GPL. I do
FEEL,
however, that this DOES NOT comply with the intent of the GPL, namely,
that
the distribution of software containing or derived from other GPL
software
shall NOT be restricted, in any way. This looks, sounds and smells like a restriction to me. Coming on the heels of a delayed public release of
files
only, no iso image, I'm starting to get the feeling that SuSE doesn't
want
to play nice with anyone who doesn't want to buy SuSE in a box. I could
be
wrong, hell I hope I'm wrong, but until I get some clarification on this,
I
am taking our SuSE page down (not like it has any value now) and substituting this message in its place. I also intend to return a review copy of SuSE 7.1 Professional. - Carlie
-----
Can someone PLEASE tell me what it is going on?
Lenz, is SuSE going to release a 7.1 iso? Is SuSE straying from the norm (and the GPL) here? I have purchased 4 boxed sets of SuSE Linux, which
if
this turns out to be how SuSE chooses to do business, they will be my
last.
Chris Kulish
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No offense intended, but yes it is..and no matter if you believe it or not..it is. SuSE puts their iso's up about 4 weeks after it has been released and yes it is to spur on box sales. SuSE puts together their distribution to make money and with the recent shake ups it has taken longer. If you don't want to buy 7.1..then don't. The rest of use will enjoy the finest product they have put out ever. I love Open Source software and I am very much in the community...but this f**king free beer mentality is just getting old. Read the reviews and the feedback and either buy it or wait until they are ready to release the iso EVAL. *shrug* Sorry to be blunt, but people in business need to make money to stay in business. I don't want to see SuSE suffer the same fate as the dot.bombs did...otherwise we have RH and their broken version of GCC and wrong headerfiles to deal with and I am just not willing to accept that. Just my 0.02 * NOC - Kulish Consulting (noc@kulish.com) [010323 09:02]: =>I dont =>think 7.1 is that big of a jump from 7.0 (with the 2.4.2 kernel), which I am =>running now. -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.
I dont know where you getting this free f**cking attitude. Read my message closely. I do purchase boxed sets. For those of you that cant count or are being to righteous (*cough*ben*cough*), I have bought 4 of them, most of the 6 series. Now back to our reading lesson. Free as in free evaluation, free TEST DRIVE you morons (not directed at anyone specific I guess), not free as in the "Price is Right". I dont think I am going to take any more flack from people that refuse to read (and understand, remember it takes both). It was meant as a question, THAT IS ALL. If I truly wanted a distro that was "FREE AS IN BEER", there is one setup for that, Debian. Now the reason that I said it didnt matter, because its not that big of a jump, read within the context of the email, means that I would purchase it without an eval first. Sorry about the "perceived" attack on your holy grail. PERIOD. END OF SENTENCE. END OF DISCUSSION. Chris Kulish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Rosenberg" <ben@whack.org> To: "SLE" <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE, are you straying????? Lenz, whats going on..
No offense intended, but yes it is..and no matter if you believe it or not..it is. SuSE puts their iso's up about 4 weeks after it has been released and yes it is to spur on box sales. SuSE puts together their distribution to make money and with the recent shake ups it has taken longer.
If you don't want to buy 7.1..then don't. The rest of use will enjoy the finest product they have put out ever. I love Open Source software and I am very much in the community...but this f**king free beer mentality is just getting old. Read the reviews and the feedback and either buy it or wait until they are ready to release the iso EVAL. *shrug* Sorry to be blunt, but people in business need to make money to stay in business. I don't want to see SuSE suffer the same fate as the dot.bombs did...otherwise we have RH and their broken version of GCC and wrong headerfiles to deal with and I am just not willing to accept that.
Just my 0.02 * NOC - Kulish Consulting (noc@kulish.com) [010323 09:02]: =>I dont =>think 7.1 is that big of a jump from 7.0 (with the 2.4.2 kernel), which I am =>running now.
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Well, I am wondering where I can download that free test drive of Windows 2000 or XP? Oh..I can't? Damn. Look I don't give a damn how many boxes you've bought..I look on my shelf and I see every box from 5.0 - 6.4 .. and you not attacking my personal Holy Grail..or whatever that's suppose to mean...I was just saying that if commercial Linux distributions waited for a while so they actually could get some sales before giving out the base system for free..it is the way it is..and it's not a bad thing. Dude, if you want to whine and stomp your feet..that's your business. If you want a test drive..wait for SuSE to open the dealership.. oh well. =>Sorry about the "perceived" attack on your holy grail. => =>PERIOD. END OF SENTENCE. END OF DISCUSSION. =>Chris Kulish -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.
Well, as far as I see, i must throw rocks at people to get a comment :) I posted earlier a message about linuxiso and their interpretation of the yast licence, seems nobody cared since I didn't trash anyone... I really don't care if there is an iso out there or not, that does not make suse any better or any worse, it is just another way of packaging an evaluation version (which is available via ftp anyway), so what? But obviously linuxiso wants an iso, can't blame them for keeping up to their name :) I believe that suse has the finest distribution out there by far, I've been using it for quite a while now and believe me, I test a lot of distributions every now and then and none of them have been able to convince me to get away from suse. Anyway, it is by far much convenient to download a single, huge file and then burn a cd from it. ftping/mirroring a whole bunch of files is just a pain. As much as I wish that the iso was available right away, no one, including myself, is in a position to judge or to complain to suse for not having it available. Also I believe that it is a different process to have a 6/7 cd version ready to ship, which is their main priority, than to have a compacted 1 cd version available for everyone to test, so it takes more time. Makes sense, doesn't it? Just my 0.02 here. Jorge
Just curious, but if Linuxiso.org wanted the iso's so bad, couldn't they just make ISO's themeselve if you were to go and buy the real distro? I don't know but I bet you can do something like /dev/cdrom > image.iso to make an ISO. This would be a good thing for both Linuxiso and SuSE - they'd both get what they wanted... -Tim On Friday 23 March 2001 05:27 pm, you wrote:
Well, as far as I see, i must throw rocks at people to get a comment :)
I posted earlier a message about linuxiso and their interpretation of the yast licence, seems nobody n Friday 23 March 2001 05:27 pm, you wrote: Well, as far as I see, i must throw rocks at people to get a comment :)
I posted earlier a message about linuxiso and their interpretation of the yast licence, seems nobody cared since I didn't trash anyone... I really don't care if there is an iso out there or not, that does not make suse any better or any worse, it is just another way of packaging an evaluation version (which is available via ftp anyway), so what? But obviously linuxiso wants an iso, can't blame them for keeping up to their name :)
I believe that suse has the finest distribution out there by far, I've been using it for quite a while now and believe me, I test a lot of distributions every now and then and none of them have been able to convince me to get away from suse.
Anyway, it is by far much convenient to download a single, huge file and then burn a cd from it. ftping/mirroring a whole bunch of files is just a pain. As much as I wish that the iso was available right away, no one, including myself, is in a position to judge or to complain to suse for not having it available. Also I believe that it is a different process to have a 6/7 cd version ready to ship, which is their main priority, than to have a compacted 1 cd version available for everyone to test, so it takes more time. Makes sense, doesn't it?
Just my 0.02 here. cared since I didn't trash anyone... I really don't care if there is an iso out there or not, that does not make suse any better or any worse, it is just another way of packaging an evaluation version (which is available via ftp anyway), so what? But obviously linuxiso wants an iso, can't blame them for keeping up to their name :)
I believe that suse has the finest distribution out there by far, I've been using it for quite a while now and believe me, I test a lot of distributions every now and then and none of them have been able to convince me to get away from suse.
Anyway, it is by far much convenient to download a single, huge file and then burn a cd from it. ftping/mirroring a whole bunch of files is just a pain. As much as I wish that the iso was available right away, no one, including myself, is in a position to judge or to complain to suse for not having it available. Also I believe that it is a different process to have a 6/7 cd version ready to ship, which is their main priority, than to have a compacted 1 cd version available for everyone to test, so it takes more time. Makes sense, doesn't it?
Just my 0.02 here.
Jorge
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I don't understand what all the fuss is about. There was an ISO image of a single-CD evaluation distribution for 7.1 posted to the ftp.suse.com web site on February 28th. I've never seen the full multi-CD version posted in ISO format for any distro. So what are they complaining about? -- Rick Green "I have the heart of a little child, and the brain of a genius. ... and I keep them in a jar under my bed"
Chris, Two replies, one to your first message, one to the the "what's the difference between 7.0 and 7.1" one. 1.) I think it's completely fair that SuSE waits for the ISO's. Certainly I have my disagreements with SuSE, but I challenge you to find a BETTER distribution. I've worked with RedHat, Caldera, and Mandrake - none, I repeat none - are as good as SuSE. Also, I think it's necessary for a delay, especially now, since many people are getting broadband - why pay for what you can get off the 'net? AFAIK, SuSE could skip the ISO completely and still not violate a single licensing agreement. 2.) While I never used SuSE 7.0 (I jumped from 6.4 to 7.1), I can think of lots of great things included in 7.1 that were not in 7.0: - Linux 2.4!!!!!! - KDE 2.x - YaST2 now has tons of extra modules and online update, etc. - 400 extra software packages (2000 vs. 1600) - XFree 4.02 with XFT (anti-aliasing) - Disk Resizing functionality for Windows users - and much more. I think 7.1 is also the most polished version of SusE I've used. It is an excellent distribution by all accounts. -Tim -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ============== "Information Powered by Innovation" ==============
Well, actually I've just checked out one of the mirrors distributing suse and to me it seems that they are still shipping an evaluation version (even for 7.1) So what is really the problem Manfred Riem
-----Original Message----- From: NOC - Kulish Consulting [mailto:noc@kulish.com] Sent: vrijdag 23 maart 2001 18:02 To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE, are you straying????? Lenz, whats going on..
Now, thats what I thought I saw on the list too. But it does seem to be taking a while in this case. Its not really critical to me anyway, I dont think 7.1 is that big of a jump from 7.0 (with the 2.4.2 kernel), which I am running now.
Chris Kulish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Kreps" <jerrykreps@jlkreps.net> To: "NOC - Kulish Consulting" <noc@kulish.com>; <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE, are you straying????? Lenz, whats going on..
I saw SuSE's announcement of the release of the ISO last week. JLK
Hey, Im trying to figure out what is going on is all. One of the reasons I chose SuSE was that there was an ISO available to test before I bought. Now that choice seems to have been removed, so SuSE doesnt look as appealing any more.
And no, the GPL doesnt say every distro blah, blah.... leave the smarta$$ attitude at the door.
I was just writing about my concerns that it appears the eval system is coming to an end at SuSE. I am concerned because I like this distro better than any other. But that doesnt mean I will blindly buy the next version, expecially when they come out as often as they do.
But you are right on one point, we have all strayed from
On Friday 23 March 2001 10:23, NOC - Kulish Consulting wrote: the "norm"
(windows), and I am glad to be straying regardless of the minor issues.
Chris Kulish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Purple Shirt" <purpleshirt@hotmail.com> To: <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE, are you straying????? Lenz, whats going on..
I didn't know the GPL said:
Every distribution working on Linux has to create an iso image for the general public for download through linuxiso.org.
What is the norm? Aren't all Linux users, people who stray from the norm(Windows) anyhow?
I think it is good they produce no evaluation iso because then there is no conflict with YaST and its licensing issues. Problem solved. The stuff linuxiso.org writes doesn't even make clear if they are just upset about SuSE not bringing out an iso or if they are upset YaST has a proprietory license. We are talking two different things here.
mk
From: "NOC - Kulish Consulting" <noc@kulish.com> To: <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Subject: [SLE] SuSE, are you straying????? Lenz, whats going on.. Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:30:56 -0600
I got the following blurb from linuxiso.org -----
"3. Dissemination - It is forbidden to reproduce or distribute data carriers ( read cd's? Update - Now that I think about this, 'data carriers' sounds
a
lot like wires and cables, sometimes called the Internet. ) which have
been
reproduced without authorisation for payment without the prior written consent of SuSE GmbH or SuSE Linux. Distribution of the YaST programme,
its
sources, whether amended or unamended in full or in part thereof, and the works derived thereof for a charge require the prior written consent of SuSE GmbH." I've read the GPL, several times, but don't understand it well enough to KNOW whether or not this complies with the letter of the GPL. I do
FEEL,
however, that this DOES NOT comply with the intent of the GPL, namely,
that
the distribution of software containing or derived from other GPL
software
shall NOT be restricted, in any way. This looks, sounds and smells like a restriction to me. Coming on the heels of a delayed public release of
files
only, no iso image, I'm starting to get the feeling that SuSE doesn't
want
to play nice with anyone who doesn't want to buy SuSE in a box. I could
be
wrong, hell I hope I'm wrong, but until I get some clarification on this,
I
am taking our SuSE page down (not like it has any value now) and substituting this message in its place. I also intend to return a review copy of SuSE 7.1 Professional. - Carlie
-----
Can someone PLEASE tell me what it is going on?
Lenz, is SuSE going to release a 7.1 iso? Is SuSE straying from the norm (and the GPL) here? I have purchased 4 boxed sets of SuSE Linux, which
if
this turns out to be how SuSE chooses to do business, they will be my
last.
Chris Kulish
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Rick Green -
Timothy R.Butler