Hello SuSE people, There has to be somebody out there that knows the answer to this. There was a previous thread on this topic that resulted in at least 20 replies, but no fix. I have googled forever and find nothing. I've read howto's and did a man on everything I could think of. Short recap: Changed my old 17" monitor running at 800x600 for a new 21" tft-lcd monitor that is run at 1600x1200. Verified that the lcd and the system have the same dpi/resolution. All of the KDE stuff was reconfigurable to increase font sizes and icons to a satisfactory useable size. Runniing 5 apps that utilize gtk. All of the fonts in these 5 apps are so teeny they are practically unuseable. (Note: Can increase the dpi significantly and the app will appear much larger but the fonts remain the same) I am convinced, and PLEASE tell me if I am wrong, that the dpi has nothing to do with the font size utilized. There must be some kind of system wide control to change the fonts in ALL of these apps. I had this same problem several years ago and could be solved by running gnomecc and/or by changing settings manually in gtrkrc. gnomecc no longer exists and for some reason I do not have .gtkrc or .gtkrc-2 installed in my home user directory. Someone suggested gtk-qt-engine which is supposedly an applet to resolve these things between KDE and the gtk apps. Can't figure out how to run it and it is installed. Found an app called Qt Settings (is that the gtk-qt-engine interface?) which I ran and appears as that should do what is needed. Does not reset anything. Also, I know that UserChrome.css supposedly can be used for Firefox and NVU to set user preferences. That doesn't seem to work either but maybe I am not doing it correctly. That leaves 3 other apps that don't have that configurability even if it did work. Just don't know what to do anymore. I have spent days on this. Someone has to know the answer. Please help. Half the apps I use every day aren't really useable. I really need a Guru to step in here and hold my hand. Bob S.
Bob: El Sáb 21 May 2005 23:48, B. Stia escribió:
Someone suggested gtk-qt-engine which is supposedly an applet to resolve these things between KDE and the gtk apps. Can't figure out how to run it and it is installed.
I am using gtk-qt-engine myself, and it does what you are asking for, namely setting the font family, font size and the style for gtk applications system-wide from within KDE. If v. 0.6 is installed correctly, it will be accesible as a KDE Control Panel applet under the 'Appearance & Themes' heading. My system is still SuSE 8.2, but updated to KDE 3.4. I have compiled gtk-qt-engine 0.6 from source. Read all about it and get the sources from http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/gtk-qt. Regards, -- Andreas Philipp Noema Ltda. Bogotá, D.C. - Colombia http://www.noemasol.com
On Sunday 22 May 2005 05:48, B. Stia wrote:
I had this same problem several years ago and could be solved by running gnomecc and/or by changing settings manually in gtrkrc. gnomecc no longer exists and for some reason I do not have .gtkrc or .gtkrc-2 installed in my home user directory.
Then create them!
Someone suggested gtk-qt-engine which is supposedly an applet to resolve these things between KDE and the gtk apps. Can't figure out how to run it and it is installed.
Did you read my post of 20 May? -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - Meddalwedd Rhydd yn Gymraeg www.cymrux.org.uk - Linux Cymraeg ar un CD!
B. Stia wrote:
Found an app called Qt Settings (is that the gtk-qt-engine interface?) which I ran and appears as that should do what is needed.
Where did you find it? I find it with an rpm query, but find no way to use it for anything. I opened YaST in my 9.2 and looked into install/remove software. These are among what I found there indicated as installed: control-center - The Gnome Control Center 1.4.0.5-64.1 provides: gncontr, libcapplet.so.0 control-center2 - The Gnome Control Center for the Gnome 2.x Desktop 2.6.1-25.1 provides: fontilus, themus, acme, libfont.method.so, libgnome-window-settings-so.1, libmetacity.so, libtheme-method.so, libthemus-theme-properties-view.so gtk-qt-engine - GTK-style Engine for Use with Qt Plugins and Settings 0.5-9.3 provides: libqtengine.so Trying to run any of them is another matter. I can't find any of the indicated provides in the menus, nor can I run any of them from a Konsole prompt. Other distros provide gnomecc in their control-center rpms for controlling gtk1 apps, and gnome-control-center in the control-center2 rpm for controlling gtk2 apps. I have no idea what they do for gtk-qt-engine, as it was only in this series of tiny fonts threads that I discovered its existence. I can't find it anywhere in the KDE menu tree. What is SuSE doing providing us with these apparently useless Gnome/gtk rpms? What are they there for? How do we use them? -- "Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made." John 1:3 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
On Sun, 22 May 2005 15:43:33 -0400
Felix Miata
B. Stia wrote:
Found an app called Qt Settings (is that the gtk-qt-engine interface?) which I ran and appears as that should do what is needed.
Where did you find it? I find it with an rpm query, but find no way to use it for anything.
I opened YaST in my 9.2 and looked into install/remove software. These are among what I found there indicated as installed:
control-center - The Gnome Control Center 1.4.0.5-64.1 provides: gncontr, libcapplet.so.0
control-center2 - The Gnome Control Center for the Gnome 2.x Desktop 2.6.1-25.1 provides: fontilus, themus, acme, libfont.method.so, libgnome-window-settings-so.1, libmetacity.so, libtheme-method.so, libthemus-theme-properties-view.so
gtk-qt-engine - GTK-style Engine for Use with Qt Plugins and Settings 0.5-9.3 provides: libqtengine.so
Trying to run any of them is another matter. I can't find any of the indicated provides in the menus, nor can I run any of them from a Konsole prompt. Other distros provide gnomecc in their control-center rpms for controlling gtk1 apps, and gnome-control-center in the control-center2 rpm for controlling gtk2 apps. I have no idea what they do for gtk-qt-engine, as it was only in this series of tiny fonts threads that I discovered its existence. I can't find it anywhere in the KDE menu tree. What is SuSE doing providing us with these apparently useless Gnome/gtk rpms? What are they there for? How do we use them?
I'm having the same issue. I can't find the gtk-qt engine options even though it's installed. It does not appear in the KDE Control panel or K -> Applications as other have found. I remember seeing it before (in SUSE 9.2 I believe), but it's conspicuously absent on my 9.3 install. My issue is that Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.11 will not display colored text for my mail folders nor let me color label messages in those folders in KDE. This works fine if I'm using Gnome. I've even tried different Gnome themes to see if that might be the issue. Interestingly enough, I might have been on the right track as certain Gnome themes would allow me to start sylpheed-claws in KDE with the colored folders displayed, but the app would quickly segfault. With these themes, apps like Evolution and Gaim would also not start. Switching back to something like the default Gnome theme in 9.3 (Industrial) allows those apps to start, but Claws will not display the colored messages. I was hoping the gtk-qt engine would help to address this or maybe someone else had a clue about what might be causing this. This is not across the board, however, as those same gnome themes on my FreeBSD box allow sylpheed-claws to display the colors in KDE there (also using Gnome 2.10 and KDE 3.4). Any ideas? -- Cheers, Trey ---- "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away". -- Philip K. Dick Linux salamander 2.6.11.4-20a-default i686 i686 GNU/Linux 6:04pm up 2:12, 3 users, load average: 0.04, 0.10, 0.41
On Sunday 22 May 2005 00:48, B. Stia wrote: Hello SuSE people, To all who have followed this saga, under 3 different threads,with 75 or more suggestions, advice, and ideas, Thank You !!! This list is the greatest. After reading each and every post and trying each for the solution I found out that I did not have gnome-control-center installed. Went into Yast, did a search, and installed it. That allowed me to configure and change font sizes of all of my gtk applications except Igloo-FTP-Pro. Firefox, NVU, GQView and Gimp all are useable now. To all who advised me it would be in Control Center; it was not and is not. gnome-control-center must be run from the command line. It kind of bugs me that we have to "discover" these things on our own. There is not a word anywhere from SuSE about these things and their solutions. At least I could not find any. Again, thank God for this wonderful list or I would have been back to Windows years ago. You are all great people who are willing to share in the problem solving. I sincerely hope that there are SuSE people watching this list, note the strange problems and the solutions to them to improve the distro. Felix, I discovered the "control-center" from your post. After installing, as stated above, it did not show up in the KDE Control Center. I had to experiment from the command line to get it to run, which ended up being gnome-control-center. Thank you, thank you. FYI, I found QT Settings by accident when I tried to open an app with the tilde at the end. Again not in KDE Control Center. Opened at the command line. Still don't know what it does though. Andreas, What I installed was 5.9. I am going to recover from this though, before I go upgrading. Will let you know if 6.0 shows up in the KDE Control Center. Kevin, Yes I did read your post, with great interest and investigation I might add. Since I did not have a ~/gtkrc or a ~/gtkrc-2 it didn't help me. or so I thought. I replied to you on the 21st. Still don't have those files even though it is now working. Randall, Nope there's no gnomecc, gnome-control-center etc. in my 9.2. And believe me, I searched !! It would have saved me lots of pain if it had been. And you are right. the 1600x1200 digital lcd is absolutely gorgeous. Trey, Don't know what to tell you. I certainly know the pain. Try to run gnome-control-center and Qt Settings from the command line. Maybe it will help you. I believe now, not sure, that the gtk-qt-engine may just be a "blind" unconfigurable app. After reading the file it appears that it just integrates stuff from gtk when you make changes to KDE themes, etc. Again thanks to all of you, including the dozens of names I don't rmember at this moment. Bob S.
B. Stia wrote:
Trey, Don't know what to tell you. I certainly know the pain. Try to run gnome-control-center and Qt Settings from the command line. Maybe it will help you. I believe now, not sure, that the gtk-qt-engine may just be a "blind" unconfigurable app. After reading the file it appears that it just integrates stuff from gtk when you make changes to KDE themes, etc.
Bob, Congratulations - this also has been one of my big problems in the past. I solved it the by creating these two config files (~/gtkrc or a ~/gtkrc-2) myself. About the gtk-qt-engine. Suse is as far as i know the only distribution that enables this by default. Probablt to help by problems like yours. You could configure it first as a separate menu entry and later on in the KDE config centre. There seems to be a problem with the latest cvs version (or is it doing everyhing based on the KD settings? My gtk apps responded to changes made to styles for instance). This post also mentions it as a problem: http://lists.netisland.net/archives/plug/plug-2005-05/msg00022.html What you can do to improve things is to give feedback to suse directly. http://www.suse.de/cgi-bin/feedback.cgi Thanks for bringing it up and reporting back Peter Vollebregt
Bob, On Sunday 22 May 2005 22:32, B. Stia wrote:
On Sunday 22 May 2005 00:48, B. Stia wrote:
Hello SuSE people,
To all who have followed this saga, under 3 different threads,with 75 or more suggestions, advice, and ideas, Thank You !!! ...
That's good.
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Randall, Nope there's no gnomecc, gnome-control-center etc. in my 9.2. And believe me, I searched !! It would have saved me lots of pain if it had been. And you are right. the 1600x1200 digital lcd is absolutely gorgeous.
Did you look in the KDE menus after you installed the RPM?
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Again thanks to all of you, including the dozens of names I don't rmember at this moment.
Enjoy your nice, big LCD display!
Bob S.
Randall Schulz
On Mon, 2005-05-23 at 01:32 -0400, B. Stia wrote:
On Sunday 22 May 2005 00:48, B. Stia wrote:
Hello SuSE people,
To all who have followed this saga, under 3 different threads,with 75 or more suggestions, advice, and ideas, Thank You !!! This list is the greatest.
After reading each and every post and trying each for the solution I found out that I did not have gnome-control-center installed. Went into Yast, did a search, and installed it. That allowed me to configure and change font sizes of all of my gtk applications except Igloo-FTP-Pro. Firefox, NVU, GQView and Gimp all are useable now.
To all who advised me it would be in Control Center; it was not and is not. gnome-control-center must be run from the command line.
It kind of bugs me that we have to "discover" these things on our own. There is not a word anywhere from SuSE about these things and their solutions. At least I could not find any. Again, thank God for this wonderful list or I would have been back to Windows years ago. You are all great people who are willing to share in the problem solving. I sincerely hope that there are SuSE people watching this list, note the strange problems and the solutions to them to improve the distro.
Felix, I discovered the "control-center" from your post. After installing, as stated above, it did not show up in the KDE Control Center. I had to experiment from the command line to get it to run, which ended up being gnome-control-center. Thank you, thank you. FYI, I found QT Settings by accident when I tried to open an app with the tilde at the end. Again not in KDE Control Center. Opened at the command line. Still don't know what it does though.
Andreas, What I installed was 5.9. I am going to recover from this though, before I go upgrading. Will let you know if 6.0 shows up in the KDE Control Center.
Kevin, Yes I did read your post, with great interest and investigation I might add. Since I did not have a ~/gtkrc or a ~/gtkrc-2 it didn't help me. or so I thought. I replied to you on the 21st. Still don't have those files even though it is now working.
Randall, Nope there's no gnomecc, gnome-control-center etc. in my 9.2. And believe me, I searched !! It would have saved me lots of pain if it had been. And you are right. the 1600x1200 digital lcd is absolutely gorgeous.
Trey, Don't know what to tell you. I certainly know the pain. Try to run gnome-control-center and Qt Settings from the command line. Maybe it will help you. I believe now, not sure, that the gtk-qt-engine may just be a "blind" unconfigurable app. After reading the file it appears that it just integrates stuff from gtk when you make changes to KDE themes, etc.
Again thanks to all of you, including the dozens of names I don't rmember at this moment.
Bob S.
My particular issue has been fixed by removing the gtk-qt package. Once that was done, KDE respected to colors for messages and folders. -Trey
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