Hello, A visitor asked me last week how to install linux as double boot on a windows 10 *raid* hpz230. the raid is a firmware raid, not a software one, present on the motherboard. on the spot I was not able to make openSUSE to see the raid 1 two disks presents on the system. YaST-install sees two disks, but can't configure the free space (locked obviously by the raid software). However, these computers are SLES/SLED compatible http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c04487632.pdf however, I don't see any suse/linux specific data on the raid config page https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02815117 any clue? (I don't have the computer at hand, but I expect the user to come again soon) thanks jdd -- mon serveur usenet: dodin.fr.nf c'est quoi, usenet? http://www.dodin.org/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Usenet.Usenet
* jdd@dodin.org <jdd@dodin.org> [11-24-22 04:43]:
Hello,
A visitor asked me last week how to install linux as double boot on a windows 10 *raid* hpz230.
the raid is a firmware raid, not a software one, present on the motherboard.
on the spot I was not able to make openSUSE to see the raid 1 two disks presents on the system.
YaST-install sees two disks, but can't configure the free space (locked obviously by the raid software).
However, these computers are SLES/SLED compatible
http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c04487632.pdf
however, I don't see any suse/linux specific data on the raid config page
https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02815117
any clue?
(I don't have the computer at hand, but I expect the user to come again soon)
I have always had to disable the raid in the bios. But, subsequently I remove *all* of windows and reformat. I make a backup of the windows install in case I decide to return the computer. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
Le 24/11/2022 à 15:00, Patrick Shanahan a écrit :
I have always had to disable the raid in the bios. But, subsequently I remove *all* of windows and reformat. I make a backup of the windows install in case I decide to return the computer.
sure I dislike RAID, and even more motherboard raid, but it was this people wish I guess as this computer is SUSE compatible it's also compatible with motherboard raid, but I don't know for sure :-( thanks jdd -- mon serveur usenet: dodin.fr.nf c'est quoi, usenet? http://www.dodin.org/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Usenet.Usenet
* jdd@dodin.org <jdd@dodin.org> [11-24-22 12:02]:
Le 24/11/2022 à 15:00, Patrick Shanahan a écrit :
I have always had to disable the raid in the bios. But, subsequently I remove *all* of windows and reformat. I make a backup of the windows install in case I decide to return the computer.
sure I dislike RAID, and even more motherboard raid, but it was this people wish
I guess as this computer is SUSE compatible it's also compatible with motherboard raid, but I don't know for sure :-(
not sure but I believe all windoz boxes with multiple drives employee hardware (motherboard) raid. and I think subject raid is only good for windoz. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
Le 24/11/2022 à 18:09, Patrick Shanahan a écrit :
not sure but I believe all windoz boxes with multiple drives employee hardware (motherboard) raid. and I think subject raid is only good for windoz.
and mainly double boot was never an option for SUSE :-( too bad for my user :-( thanks jdd -- mon serveur usenet: dodin.fr.nf c'est quoi, usenet? http://www.dodin.org/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Usenet.Usenet
On 2022-11-24 18:21, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 24/11/2022 à 18:09, Patrick Shanahan a écrit :
not sure but I believe all windoz boxes with multiple drives employee hardware (motherboard) raid. and I think subject raid is only good for windoz.
and mainly double boot was never an option for SUSE :-(
too bad for my user :-(
If that machine was certified for SLES, the firmware raid must work in Linux, but it might require some specific driver which is not installed by default, or is not part of the installation media. Notice that all this means, IMO, that it is not truly hardware raid. Just hardware assisted raid, as all motherboard raids. You might try the machine with a live of 15.4 (not the installation media) or TW. Google "hpz230 on linux" I found: <https://driverscollection.com/?H=Z230%20Tower%20Workstation&By=HP&SS=Ubuntu> HP Z230 Tower Workstation drivers for Ubuntu HP Z230 Tower Workstation Free drivers for HP Z230 Tower Workstation for Ubuntu. Found 2 files. Please select the driver to download. Additionally, you can choose Operating System to see the drivers that will be compatible with your OS. If you can not find a driver for your operating system you can ask for it on our forum. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Am 24.11.22 um 10:41 schrieb jdd@dodin.org:
Hello,
A visitor asked me last week how to install linux as double boot on a windows 10 *raid* hpz230.
the raid is a firmware raid, not a software one, present on the motherboard.
on the spot I was not able to make openSUSE to see the raid 1 two disks presents on the system.
YaST-install sees two disks, but can't configure the free space (locked obviously by the raid software).
However, these computers are SLES/SLED compatible
Hi jdd, yes, it is "compatible", as in "you can use SUSE to operate it", but it does not necessarily use the strange technology of HP to utilize those two disks as a raid. With SUSE, it would be a software raid1. This is very often the case, and I do not know a "mainboard" raid that is accepted without handstands inside any linux distribution. A real hardware raid is provided by an "external" hard disk controller. In this case, the operating systems does not see two disks, but only one (or: as many as are defined via the raid controller). Maybe you can use Windows to shrink the "raided" partitions, so that there is free space for linux. Then, boot linux and join both disks as a software raid1. Only then you might be able to create one (or more) new partitions to be used with linux. And with even more luck, you'll be able to use dual boot. But then, you should play in a lottery :) HTH, Werner --
Le 27/11/2022 à 14:55, Werner Flamme a écrit :
Am 24.11.22 um 10:41 schrieb jdd@dodin.org:
Hello,
A visitor asked me last week how to install linux as double boot on a windows 10 *raid* hpz230.
the raid is a firmware raid, not a software one, present on the motherboard.
on the spot I was not able to make openSUSE to see the raid 1 two disks presents on the system.
YaST-install sees two disks, but can't configure the free space (locked obviously by the raid software).
However, these computers are SLES/SLED compatible
Hi jdd,
yes, it is "compatible", as in "you can use SUSE to operate it"
sure, mayu be suse simply bypass the system raid. It was my first try. But the hole disk was locked by the raid, so opensuse couldn't write on it.
A real hardware raid is provided by an "external" hard disk controller.
yes I used, time ago an scsi hardware raid, completely transparent to linux (debian at this time), but a a real server, large and heavy machine
Maybe you can use Windows to shrink the "raided" partitions, so that there is free space for linux.
it's what I finally suggested to the owner, but then the raid may not really protect the hole disk. I next Saturday the owner come again I may try thanks jdd -- mon serveur usenet: dodin.fr.nf c'est quoi, usenet? http://www.dodin.org/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Usenet.Usenet
On 11/24/22 03:41, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Hello,
A visitor asked me last week how to install linux as double boot on a windows 10 *raid* hpz230.
the raid is a firmware raid, not a software one, present on the motherboard.
on the spot I was not able to make openSUSE to see the raid 1 two disks presents on the system.
YaST-install sees two disks, but can't configure the free space (locked obviously by the raid software).
However, these computers are SLES/SLED compatible
http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c04487632.pdf
however, I don't see any suse/linux specific data on the raid config page
https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02815117
any clue?
Moterboard RAID or BIOS RAID is what is endearingly referred to a Fake-RAID. Nothing wrong with it, works fine, but depending on BIOS capabilities, unless the BIOS provides a way to sync a new drive in the case of the failure -- you are limited to the life of the original disks in the RAID set. This setup uses "dmraid", not "mdadm" to interface with the arrays. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_with_Fake_RAID Is still a good How to Setup Fake RAID, though you will have to ensure the dmraid module i present in initcfg via Drakut so the arrays can be activated and assembledd during boot. You will install the boot loader to BOTH /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, for example. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Le 28/11/2022 à 10:11, David C. Rankin a écrit :
are limited to the life of the original disks in the RAID set. This setup uses "dmraid", not "mdadm" to interface with the arrays.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_with_Fake_RAID
Is still a good How to Setup Fake RAID, though you will have to ensure the dmraid module i present in initcfg via Drakut so the arrays can be activated and assembledd during boot. You will install the boot loader to BOTH /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, for example.
thanks, it's probably a good clue. But is this included in yast-install? how to setup the raid *from the installer*, as it's already setup on the windows side? (I didn't yet read your link, but I guess arch do not use yast) thanks jdd -- mon serveur usenet: dodin.fr.nf c'est quoi, usenet? http://www.dodin.org/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Usenet.Usenet
On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 at 12:09, jdd@dodin.org <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
thanks, it's probably a good clue. But is this included in yast-install?
No, not AFAIK, and it won't be. It's highly Windows-specific, and while you might be able to configure an array for Linux-only use, I doubt that it is possible to dual boot two different OSes off a single array. Better to buy a dedicated hardware RAID controller, TBH, and reinstall. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053
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