[opensuse] new installation
I have to install opensuse on a laptop. I see two options: 1 installing 11.1 then upgrading to 11.2, next november 2. installing the latest 11.2 Milestone, then upgrading to 11.2, next november What is safer? thank you ---Pol -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Pol pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
I have to install opensuse on a laptop. I see two options: 1 installing 11.1 then upgrading to 11.2, next november 2. installing the latest 11.2 Milestone, then upgrading to 11.2, next november
What is safer?
thank you
---Pol
11.1 then upgrade to 11.2 -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
Pol pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
I have to install opensuse on a laptop. I see two options: 1 installing 11.1 then upgrading to 11.2, next november 2. installing the latest 11.2 Milestone, then upgrading to 11.2, next november What is safer?
11.1 then upgrade to 11.2
How do you know that for sure? Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 13:46, Per Inge Oestmoen <pioe@coldsiberia.org> wrote:
Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
Pol pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
I have to install opensuse on a laptop. I see two options: 1 installing 11.1 then upgrading to 11.2, next november 2. installing the latest 11.2 Milestone, then upgrading to 11.2, next november What is safer?
11.1 then upgrade to 11.2
How do you know that for sure? Because you are going from one released version to another. The milestones are alpha quality releases. The need to go beta then release candidates.
HTH ne... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Now accepting personal mail for GMail invites. Mike Ditka - "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mike_ditka.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
ne... wrote:
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 13:46, Per Inge Oestmoen <pioe@coldsiberia.org> wrote:
Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
Pol pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
I have to install opensuse on a laptop. I see two options: 1 installing 11.1 then upgrading to 11.2, next november 2. installing the latest 11.2 Milestone, then upgrading to 11.2, next november What is safer? 11.1 then upgrade to 11.2
How do you know that for sure?
Because you are going from one released version to another. The milestones are alpha quality releases. The need to go beta then release candidates.
I cannot see how this can be automatically assumed. It depends on the exact quality of the processes involved, and also which milestone we are talking about. The 11.1 version has a reputation of being problematic, and it has a broken KDE 4 with major loss of functionality. A late milestone like the 11.2 Milestone 7 may not be bad at all. Per Inge Oestmoen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Per Inge Oestmoen pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
ne... wrote:
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 13:46, Per Inge Oestmoen <pioe@coldsiberia.org> wrote:
Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
Pol pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
I have to install opensuse on a laptop. I see two options: 1 installing 11.1 then upgrading to 11.2, next november 2. installing the latest 11.2 Milestone, then upgrading to 11.2, next november What is safer? 11.1 then upgrade to 11.2
How do you know that for sure?
Because you are going from one released version to another. The milestones are alpha quality releases. The need to go beta then release candidates.
I cannot see how this can be automatically assumed.
It depends on the exact quality of the processes involved, and also which milestone we are talking about. The 11.1 version has a reputation of being problematic, and it has a broken KDE 4 with major loss of functionality.
A late milestone like the 11.2 Milestone 7 may not be bad at all.
Per Inge Oestmoen
Some people like to argue just for arguments sake. The OP stated above "Which is safer". Which do you consider safer, a released version or an alpha version. As far as 11.1 is concerned, stick with KDE3 until 11.2 is released. That _IS_ the _safest_ route. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
Per Inge Oestmoen pecked at the keyboard and wrote: The OP stated above "Which is safer". Which do you consider safer, a released version or an alpha version. As far as 11.1 is concerned, stick with KDE3 until 11.2 is released. That _IS_ the _safest_ route.
Thank you for all your comments. I will install 11.1 with kde3. Are there any problems re-using the .kde tree from another linux distribution? Thank you ---Pol -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 17:28, Pol <xtekhne@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for all your comments. I will install 11.1 with kde3. Are there any problems re-using the .kde tree from another linux distribution?
It is not advisable to mix rpms from another disttribution. If another distribution has a rpm not available on oS, grab the srpm and rebuild that on oS. HTH ne... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Now accepting personal mail for GMail invites. Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach - "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/marie_von_ebnereschenbac.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
<posted & mailed> ne... wrote:
It is not advisable to mix rpms from another disttribution. If another distribution has a rpm not available on oS, grab the srpm and rebuild that on oS.
Sorry, probably i was not clear. I would like to re-use the setup stored in ~/.kde (kde3.5.10). Are apps configs, etc the same across different linux distributions? thank you ---P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Pol pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
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ne... wrote:
It is not advisable to mix rpms from another disttribution. If another distribution has a rpm not available on oS, grab the srpm and rebuild that on oS.
Sorry, probably i was not clear. I would like to re-use the setup stored in ~/.kde (kde3.5.10). Are apps configs, etc the same across different linux distributions?
thank you ---P
I thought you were quite clear. It should be OK to use the /home/_user_/.kde from another install. If you have too many problems you can always rename the old .kde to .kde-old, logout and when you log back in the dir will be be re-created for you. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 21:55, Ken Schneider - openSUSE <suse-list3@bout-tyme.net> wrote:
Pol pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
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ne... wrote:
It is not advisable to mix rpms from another disttribution. If another distribution has a rpm not available on oS, grab the srpm and rebuild that on oS.
Sorry, probably i was not clear. I would like to re-use the setup stored in ~/.kde (kde3.5.10). Are apps configs, etc the same across different linux distributions? I thought you were quite clear. It should be OK to use the /home/_user_/.kde from another install. If you have too many problems you can always rename the old .kde to .kde-old, logout and when you log back in the dir will be be re-created for you. PEBKAC on my part. Was hitting the scotch whilst writing my reply. After a good nites sleep, I found the '.' in .kde. My apologies. And yes, you can reuse .kde across oS installs as has be mentioned.
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On Sat September 19 2009 4:43:02 pm Pol wrote:
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ne... wrote:
It is not advisable to mix rpms from another disttribution. If another distribution has a rpm not available on oS, grab the srpm and rebuild that on oS.
Sorry, probably i was not clear. I would like to re-use the setup stored in ~/.kde (kde3.5.10). Are apps configs, etc the same across different linux distributions?
Generally, 3.5.10 is compatible with the version in 11.1. Some of the programs were 'ported' back from 4.x but most remain totally compatable. Other than backing up ~/.kde somewhere, (just in case), just install 11.1 with the 'OTHER' option then KDE3. If you choose to do an update, I think you may run into problems (I did). Be sure /home is NOT overwritten, reformatted or otherwise affected, eg, should be it's own partition. Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 19 September 2009 15:43:02 Pol wrote:
Sorry, probably i was not clear. I would like to re-use the setup stored in ~/.kde (kde3.5.10). Are apps configs, etc the same across different linux distributions?
There is no guarantee that they use completely compatible configuration files, ie. enabled the same options during compilation, so try not to mix them. What in openSUSE works can be broken elsewhere, and vice versa. One problem are access permissions as openSUSE uses numeric user ID (UID) 1000 for the first user, while some other use 500 (I guess Fedora). That can make problem as numeric IDs are used by kernel, file system Then openSUSE has group users with GID 100, and all users belong to that group, while other (Debian, Ubuntu) create new group for each user. For the experiments I would use very simple hard disk configuration, with a single partition per distro with /home directory on that partition, and something like large data partition for all of distros where you direct downloads, keep your files, etc. -- Regards, Rajko People of openSUSE editor. Latest interviews: http://news.opensuse.org/category/people-of-opensuse/ About us: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 20. September 2009 07:33:50 schrieb Rajko M.:
On Saturday 19 September 2009 15:43:02 Pol wrote:
Sorry, probably i was not clear. I would like to re-use the setup stored in ~/.kde (kde3.5.10). Are apps configs, etc the same across different linux distributions?
One problem are access permissions as openSUSE uses numeric user ID (UID) 1000 for the first user, while some other use 500 (I guess Fedora). That can make problem as numeric IDs are used by kernel, file system
Then openSUSE has group users with GID 100, and all users belong to that group, while other (Debian, Ubuntu) create new group for each user.
That's a good hint. Yet if he just wants to move from another distro to openSUSE and not use one home-folder for many distros, then changing the owner and group of .kde should work for most things. AFAIR openSUSE even does the owner changing already during installation, if one re-uses an existing folder. If not a chown -R username:users /home/username as root should do. To get to runlevel 3, just type 3 while the boot-menu is shown and then RETURN. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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