Hi everyone, Just installed SuSE 7.2 and it just gets better & better. Clean installation went faultlessly as usual, everything detected perfectly and I love the new console layout on tty1. My compliments to the SuSe team............... Keep it coming coming coming coming ;-) Keith Gibbons, Ireland
I agree... And it was not that small of an upgrade. Did my server last night, took less than hour to do the upgrade of 477 packages. It came right up on-line after the upgrade :-). Matt -- "The only thing complex about Linux are the users themselves." On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Keith Gibbons wrote:
Hi everyone,
Just installed SuSE 7.2 and it just gets better & better. Clean installation went faultlessly as usual, everything detected perfectly and I love the new console layout on tty1. My compliments to the SuSe team............... Keep it coming coming coming coming ;-)
Keith Gibbons, Ireland
On Thursday 21 June 2001 20:37, StarTux wrote:
I agree...
And it was not that small of an upgrade. Did my server last night, took less than hour to do the upgrade of 477 packages. It came right up on-line after the upgrade :-).
While my feelings about 7.2 are generally very positive, I have to say that's one thing I really didn't like; the fact that it *did* come straight up online. I'm attached to a cable modem; if I were a newbie user, I'd be unprepared for the big wide world. And while the SuSE firewall is OK, it's based on ipchains, which is (IMO) not a patch on iptables. (I know that SuSEfirewall2 will be iptables-based, but it seems a little odd to be relying on ipchains while using a 2.4 kernel; especially given that iptables is not hard to include during the install; the manuals don't (AFAIR) mention it.) Apart from all else, I think there's something to be said for keeping things *firmly* closed until the user has RTFM enough to run a safe 'net connection. Firstly, it means that they aren't going to have ports open everywhere (which is a Good Thing); and secondly, it will get them into the habit of looking at the manuals as a way of obtaining instruction (which is also a Good Thing). I know that there is a lot to be said for giving a new user a gentle introduction; but if this gives them a false sense of security, then they are likely to get 0wn3d. And a number of them will probably blame the software (because *they* didn't bone up on essential survival skills). I don't know; I think my own personal idea of a good introduction would be a banner saying "Your net connection won't work until you go to page X of the manual and follow the procedures - oh, and if you want vaguely secure data, read all the rest of the section as well". This might be a bit of a bondage-and-discipline way of doing things, but people *really* need to realize that security is their own responsibility. I've picked up no fewer than 51 dubious packets in the last 12 hours. Most of them were aimed at Windows-specific or high-numbered ports or 1080; but now and then you get people trying to connect to 512-514 or 21 - ports that a lot of newbies might not defend adequately - and they wouldn't know without checking /var/log/messages. (Though, credit to SuSE for their section on security in the Networking section of the 7.2 manual; it's much-needed.) We don't have black-box software 'firewalls' in the Linux community - while this is a damn good thing, we need to make sure that the free and open tools get *used* - and that the users are aware of their strengths and shortcomings from the start. Gideon Hallett. (Oh; btw, has anyone managed to get freedb submissions working with kscd yet? - for whatever reason, it only ever allows me to choose the Default profile; and my ISP really doesn't like that, as well as using ESMTP by default.)
On Thursday 21 June 2001 19:26, Keith Gibbons wrote:
Hi everyone,
Just installed SuSE 7.2 and it just gets better & better. Clean installation went faultlessly as usual, everything detected perfectly and I love the new console layout on tty1. My compliments to the SuSe team............... Keep it coming coming coming coming ;-)
Keith Gibbons, Ireland
Grrr... I'm impatient to get it!!! Normally DHL will deliver it tomorrow.. I can't wait any longer ;-))) Ju. PS Yea right, compliments to the SuSE team which does a great job! (I never said this kind of things to the developpers of the precedent OS I was using [you guessed.. windoz]) ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: ----------------------------------------
Mostly I'd agree, but as a Gnome user I feel somewhat disappointed with the Gnome setup, I was up all night last night (literally - not had any sleep) with some problems that I have yet to resolve... Installed 7.2, with all packages in gnm installed then egger's Mozilla 0.9.1 RPMs, and built Galeon 0.11.0 from sources... Problem is that when I log in as a normal user various bits of Gnome don't work... The Settings menu on the top panel is empty There's no Main 'Foot' Menu on the main panel, nor does selecting Panel -> Add to Panel -> Menu -> Main Menu achieve this When I try to change the icon for a launcher (for example) the area on the choose icon dialogue where available icons in a given directory would be shown is empty, even though I am able (according to permissions) able to read the icon files It's a fresh install, with /home mounted from a previous 6.3->6.4->7.0 installation And it happens even if I rm -fr .gnome* in $HOME The wierd thing is that all these things work 100% fine when logged in as root... The new-look Console 1 is nice, but I'm already wondering how long it'll be before I'm sick of it, but the new-look LILO screen is simply gorgeous! James On 21 Jun 2001 18:26:14 +0100, Keith Gibbons wrote:
Just installed SuSE 7.2 and it just gets better & better. Clean installation went faultlessly as usual, everything detected perfectly and I love the new console layout on tty1. My compliments to the SuSe team............... Keep it coming coming coming coming ;-) -- James Ogley, Unix Systems Administrator, Pinnacle.Net james.ogley@pinnacle.co.uk www.pinnacle.co.uk +44 20 8731 3619
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I had a similar problem when I compiled Gnome myself. Hours of research learnt me that it was some environment variable wrongly set. (or not set, I don't remember). Try checking if root has some gnome-related variabele that normal users don't have or have different. hth,
From James Ogley to SuSE List and feedback@suse.de about Re: [SLE] 7.2 ---...:
Mostly I'd agree, but as a Gnome user I feel somewhat disappointed with the Gnome setup, I was up all night last night (literally - not had any sleep) with some problems that I have yet to resolve...
Installed 7.2, with all packages in gnm installed then egger's Mozilla 0.9.1 RPMs, and built Galeon 0.11.0 from sources...
Problem is that when I log in as a normal user various bits of Gnome don't work...
The Settings menu on the top panel is empty There's no Main 'Foot' Menu on the main panel, nor does selecting Panel -> Add to Panel -> Menu -> Main Menu achieve this When I try to change the icon for a launcher (for example) the area on the choose icon dialogue where available icons in a given directory would be shown is empty, even though I am able (according to permissions) able to read the icon files
It's a fresh install, with /home mounted from a previous 6.3->6.4->7.0 installation
And it happens even if I rm -fr .gnome* in $HOME
The wierd thing is that all these things work 100% fine when logged in as root...
The new-look Console 1 is nice, but I'm already wondering how long it'll be before I'm sick of it, but the new-look LILO screen is simply gorgeous!
James
On 21 Jun 2001 18:26:14 +0100, Keith Gibbons wrote:
Just installed SuSE 7.2 and it just gets better & better. Clean installation went faultlessly as usual, everything detected perfectly and I love the new console layout on tty1. My compliments to the SuSe team............... Keep it coming coming coming coming ;-)
-- dieter
James Ogley wrote:
Mostly I'd agree, but as a Gnome user I feel somewhat disappointed with the Gnome setup, I was up all night last night (literally - not had any sleep) with some problems that I have yet to resolve...
Installed 7.2, with all packages in gnm installed then egger's Mozilla 0.9.1 RPMs, and built Galeon 0.11.0 from sources...
Problem is that when I log in as a normal user various bits of Gnome don't work...
The Settings menu on the top panel is empty There's no Main 'Foot' Menu on the main panel, nor does selecting Panel -> Add to Panel -> Menu -> Main Menu achieve this When I try to change the icon for a launcher (for example) the area on the choose icon dialogue where available icons in a given directory would be shown is empty, even though I am able (according to permissions) able to read the icon files
It's a fresh install, with /home mounted from a previous 6.3->6.4->7.0 installation
And it happens even if I rm -fr .gnome* in $HOME
The wierd thing is that all these things work 100% fine when logged in as root...
The new-look Console 1 is nice, but I'm already wondering how long it'll be before I'm sick of it, but the new-look LILO screen is simply gorgeous!
James
On 21 Jun 2001 18:26:14 +0100, Keith Gibbons wrote:
Just installed SuSE 7.2 and it just gets better & better. Clean installation went faultlessly as usual, everything detected perfectly and I love the new console layout on tty1. My compliments to the SuSe team............... Keep it coming coming coming coming ;-)
Unfortuantly Gnome seems to be broken, not just on SuSE, but I even saw it do weird stuff on a RH machine. What happened to Eazel was a very good thing IMO.....To many different interests got involved and most of it monetry. I have installed Gnome 1.4 and will see if I get the same stuff as you :-). Now up and running on my Workstation...This is way better than I thought it would be. Thanks SuSE! Matt
StarTux wrote:
James Ogley wrote:
Mostly I'd agree, but as a Gnome user I feel somewhat disappointed with the Gnome setup, I was up all night last night (literally - not had any sleep) with some problems that I have yet to resolve...
Installed 7.2, with all packages in gnm installed then egger's Mozilla 0.9.1 RPMs, and built Galeon 0.11.0 from sources...
Problem is that when I log in as a normal user various bits of Gnome don't work...
The Settings menu on the top panel is empty There's no Main 'Foot' Menu on the main panel, nor does selecting Panel -> Add to Panel -> Menu -> Main Menu achieve this When I try to change the icon for a launcher (for example) the area on the choose icon dialogue where available icons in a given directory would be shown is empty, even though I am able (according to permissions) able to read the icon files
It's a fresh install, with /home mounted from a previous 6.3->6.4->7.0 installation
And it happens even if I rm -fr .gnome* in $HOME
The wierd thing is that all these things work 100% fine when logged in as root...
The new-look Console 1 is nice, but I'm already wondering how long it'll be before I'm sick of it, but the new-look LILO screen is simply gorgeous!
James
On 21 Jun 2001 18:26:14 +0100, Keith Gibbons wrote:
Just installed SuSE 7.2 and it just gets better & better. Clean installation went faultlessly as usual, everything detected perfectly and I love the new console layout on tty1. My compliments to the SuSe team............... Keep it coming coming coming coming ;-)
Unfortuantly Gnome seems to be broken, not just on SuSE, but I even saw it do weird stuff on a RH machine.
What let's you say this? Yes, Gnome has bugs, but anything else is true exaggeration. And yes, not all bugs in SuSE's Gnome are SuSE's fault, but they are responsible for some.
What happened to Eazel was a very good thing IMO.....To many different interests got involved and most of it monetry. I have installed Gnome 1.4 and will see if I get the same stuff as you :-).
Now up and running on my Workstation...This is way better than I thought it would be.
Thanks SuSE! Huh? Try SuSR-7.2's screensaver in gnomecc.
Independenly from this, try installing the SuSE-NVidia drivers from the src.rpm to be found on nvidia's site (I need to, no 4GB-smp driver binary available) and watch your kernel configuration going to be hosed :( Ralf
Ralf Corsepius wrote:
StarTux wrote:
James Ogley wrote:
Mostly I'd agree, but as a Gnome user I feel somewhat disappointed with the Gnome setup, I was up all night last night (literally - not had any sleep) with some problems that I have yet to resolve...
Installed 7.2, with all packages in gnm installed then egger's Mozilla 0.9.1 RPMs, and built Galeon 0.11.0 from sources...
Problem is that when I log in as a normal user various bits of Gnome don't work...
The Settings menu on the top panel is empty There's no Main 'Foot' Menu on the main panel, nor does selecting Panel -> Add to Panel -> Menu -> Main Menu achieve this When I try to change the icon for a launcher (for example) the area on the choose icon dialogue where available icons in a given directory would be shown is empty, even though I am able (according to permissions) able to read the icon files
It's a fresh install, with /home mounted from a previous 6.3->6.4->7.0 installation
And it happens even if I rm -fr .gnome* in $HOME
The wierd thing is that all these things work 100% fine when logged in as root...
The new-look Console 1 is nice, but I'm already wondering how long it'll be before I'm sick of it, but the new-look LILO screen is simply gorgeous!
James
On 21 Jun 2001 18:26:14 +0100, Keith Gibbons wrote:
Just installed SuSE 7.2 and it just gets better & better. Clean installation went faultlessly as usual, everything detected perfectly and I love the new console layout on tty1. My compliments to the SuSe team............... Keep it coming coming coming coming ;-)
Unfortuantly Gnome seems to be broken, not just on SuSE, but I even saw it do weird stuff on a RH machine.
What let's you say this? Yes, Gnome has bugs, but anything else is true exaggeration. And yes, not all bugs in SuSE's Gnome are SuSE's fault, but they are responsible for some.
What happened to Eazel was a very good thing IMO.....To many different interests got involved and most of it monetry. I have installed Gnome 1.4 and will see if I get the same stuff as you :-).
Now up and running on my Workstation...This is way better than I thought it would be.
Thanks SuSE!
Huh? Try SuSR-7.2's screensaver in gnomecc.
Independenly from this, try installing the SuSE-NVidia drivers from the src.rpm to be found on nvidia's site (I need to, no 4GB-smp driver binary available) and watch your kernel configuration going to be hosed :(
Ralf
Yes, SuSE should probably not have included Gnome 1.4...I base my opinion on experience with RH, has a ton of issues there too. Yet its the main area that its aimed at. Ralf, not so much based on rumor, I have to agree with Alan Cox on this, wonder how they can get along when a lot of the companies with no business plan fold...I stand by my opinion of the current Gnome :-). Actually, the HP driver for my HP 812 is included, only problem it will not install....That aside I have not been able to print to it with great success since 7.0. Matt
* StarTux
SuSE should probably not have included Gnome 1.4...I base my opinion on experience with RH, has a ton of issues there too. Yet its the main area that its aimed at.
7.2 does include GNOME 1.4 -- Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk "Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic and totally illogic, with just a little bit more effort." -- A. P. J.
About the Nvidia...Got it running, but its non--smp. How did you make enough money for SMP? My best bet will be with the Palamino... Maybe get the .src.rpm and do a rebuild? Matt -- "The only thing complex about Linux are the users themselves." On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
StarTux wrote:
James Ogley wrote:
Mostly I'd agree, but as a Gnome user I feel somewhat disappointed with the Gnome setup, I was up all night last night (literally - not had any sleep) with some problems that I have yet to resolve...
Installed 7.2, with all packages in gnm installed then egger's Mozilla 0.9.1 RPMs, and built Galeon 0.11.0 from sources...
Problem is that when I log in as a normal user various bits of Gnome don't work...
The Settings menu on the top panel is empty There's no Main 'Foot' Menu on the main panel, nor does selecting Panel -> Add to Panel -> Menu -> Main Menu achieve this When I try to change the icon for a launcher (for example) the area on the choose icon dialogue where available icons in a given directory would be shown is empty, even though I am able (according to permissions) able to read the icon files
It's a fresh install, with /home mounted from a previous 6.3->6.4->7.0 installation
And it happens even if I rm -fr .gnome* in $HOME
The wierd thing is that all these things work 100% fine when logged in as root...
The new-look Console 1 is nice, but I'm already wondering how long it'll be before I'm sick of it, but the new-look LILO screen is simply gorgeous!
James
On 21 Jun 2001 18:26:14 +0100, Keith Gibbons wrote:
Just installed SuSE 7.2 and it just gets better & better. Clean installation went faultlessly as usual, everything detected perfectly and I love the new console layout on tty1. My compliments to the SuSe team............... Keep it coming coming coming coming ;-)
Unfortuantly Gnome seems to be broken, not just on SuSE, but I even saw it do weird stuff on a RH machine.
What let's you say this? Yes, Gnome has bugs, but anything else is true exaggeration. And yes, not all bugs in SuSE's Gnome are SuSE's fault, but they are responsible for some.
What happened to Eazel was a very good thing IMO.....To many different interests got involved and most of it monetry. I have installed Gnome 1.4 and will see if I get the same stuff as you :-).
Now up and running on my Workstation...This is way better than I thought it would be.
Thanks SuSE! Huh? Try SuSR-7.2's screensaver in gnomecc.
Independenly from this, try installing the SuSE-NVidia drivers from the src.rpm to be found on nvidia's site (I need to, no 4GB-smp driver binary available) and watch your kernel configuration going to be hosed :(
Ralf
StarTux wrote:
About the Nvidia...Got it running, but its non--smp. How did you make enough money for SMP?
SMP with older generation processors is less expensive than a high-end/bleeding-edge machine. Once you're used to SMP, you won't miss it :)
My best bet will be with the Palamino...
Maybe get the .src.rpm and do a rebuild? Please do!
rpm --rebuild NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-1251.suse72.src.rpm But be warned! It is missing files, requires you to have both SuSE-kernels installed and it will destroy your kernel's config. If using it on SuSE installations older than 7.2 it will erase your kernel sources. <rant> This src.rpm is one of the most stupid things I've ever seen. </rant> Ralf
* Ralf Corsepius (corsepiu@faw.uni-ulm.de) [010622 15:51]: ->StarTux wrote: ->> ->> About the Nvidia...Got it running, but its non--smp. How did you make ->> enough money for SMP? ->SMP with older generation processors is less expensive than a ->high-end/bleeding-edge machine. Once you're used to SMP, you won't ->miss it :) -> ->> My best bet will be with the Palamino... ->> ->> Maybe get the .src.rpm and do a rebuild? ->Please do! -> ->rpm --rebuild NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-1251.suse72.src.rpm -> ->But be warned! It is missing files, requires you to have both ->SuSE-kernels installed and it will destroy your kernel's config. If ->using it on SuSE installations older than 7.2 it will erase your ->kernel sources. -> -><rant> ->This src.rpm is one of the most stupid things I've ever seen. -></rant> Why not get the tar.gz files of the GLX and Kernel module..untar them and build those. I guess I am getting old and don't understand the aversion to tarballs that people seem to have. Get the tarballs..an make them. They work. :) -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin
Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Ralf Corsepius (corsepiu@faw.uni-ulm.de) [010622 15:51]: ->StarTux wrote: ->> ->> About the Nvidia...Got it running, but its non--smp. How did you make ->> enough money for SMP? ->SMP with older generation processors is less expensive than a ->high-end/bleeding-edge machine. Once you're used to SMP, you won't ->miss it :) -> ->> My best bet will be with the Palamino... ->> ->> Maybe get the .src.rpm and do a rebuild? ->Please do! -> ->rpm --rebuild NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-1251.suse72.src.rpm -> ->But be warned! It is missing files, requires you to have both ->SuSE-kernels installed and it will destroy your kernel's config. If ->using it on SuSE installations older than 7.2 it will erase your ->kernel sources. -> -><rant> ->This src.rpm is one of the most stupid things I've ever seen. -></rant>
Why not get the tar.gz files of the GLX and Kernel module..untar them and build those. I guess I am getting old and don't understand the aversion to tarballs that people seem to have.
Get the tarballs..an make them. They work. :)
<*g*> They lack the SuSE-7.2 specifics. Instead, I hacked that nvidia_glx.spec :) 1) For SuSE-7.2, SuSE has repackaged the original NVIDIA_GLX package, is installing to different locations than NVidia, added their switch2_nvglx script and changed several details => SuSE's NVIDIA_GLX is incompatible the NVIDIA's generic NVIDIA_GLX ;) 2) With SuSE-7.2, SuSE now provides a dummy NVIDIA_GLX package whose version number does not match with the actual NVIDIA_GLX (the dummy's version is greater than NVidia's) => Many beginners will not notice that they do not run NVidia's drivers. 3) Wrt. to the NVIDIA_kernel modules, NVidia's site provides UP-rpms, but does not provide modules for the SuSE-kernel variants coming on CD. 4) The src.rpm mentioned above comes with preconfigured kernel .config's. To build the kernel module rpms they at first rm -rf /usr/src/linux, then simply copy these preconfigured .configs into the kernel sources (== overwrite) the actual kernel .config and run make oldconfig (== reconfigure the kernel with defaults). If one of the kernel source trees is not present, rpm simply aborts. => This src.rpm may be suiteable for building binary rpms internally at SuSE, but it is not acceptable to be put on a public site. I don't understand why SuSE doesn't simply put a nosrc.rpm on their site and tells people to d/l the tarball. Ralf
Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Ralf Corsepius (corsepiu@faw.uni-ulm.de) [010622 15:51]: ->StarTux wrote: ->> ->> About the Nvidia...Got it running, but its non--smp. How did you make ->> enough money for SMP? ->SMP with older generation processors is less expensive than a ->high-end/bleeding-edge machine. Once you're used to SMP, you won't ->miss it :) -> ->> My best bet will be with the Palamino... ->> ->> Maybe get the .src.rpm and do a rebuild? ->Please do! -> ->rpm --rebuild NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-1251.suse72.src.rpm -> ->But be warned! It is missing files, requires you to have both ->SuSE-kernels installed and it will destroy your kernel's config. If ->using it on SuSE installations older than 7.2 it will erase your ->kernel sources. -> -><rant> ->This src.rpm is one of the most stupid things I've ever seen. -></rant>
Why not get the tar.gz files of the GLX and Kernel module..untar them and build those. I guess I am getting old and don't understand the aversion to tarballs that people seem to have.
Get the tarballs..an make them. They work. :)
Eeek tarandfeatherball :-). I personnally found it easier to install the rpms, then tweak the installation via the tarball (in the kernel "source" you can edit os-registry.c and get X4 speed on the AGP bus). Matt
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