[opensuse] Intel Core Duo "buggy as hell"?
From PC Mag http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20070628/tc_zd/210662;_ylt=AmYyw1F0Qpb5eUjr.fYoNb... Excerpt from article that might explain some of the weirdness of Core Duo based systems: "With the recent release of a microcode reliability update on Microsoft's site that addresses a handful of Intel Core 2 processors, concern over the pervasiveness of bugs in some of the company's latest processors is growing, especially now that OpenBSD founder Theo de Raadt released his own rundown of outstanding, fixed, and what he deems as "non-fixable bugs." Details are still lacking about what, precisely, the June 22 patch fixes—not to mention how severe the actual bugs were—but in de Raadt's own words, some of the Intel's latest processors "are buggy as hell." " Click on the above link to read the rest. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Fred, This message is off-topic for the OpenSUSE list. In the future, please post such message to OpenSUSE-OffTopic@OpenSUSE.org. Randall Schulz On Friday 29 June 2007 06:44, Stevens wrote:
From PC Mag ...
Excerpt from article that might explain some of the weirdness of Core Duo based systems:
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On Friday 29 June 2007 09:09, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Fred,
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Randall Schulz
Randall, and any others who might be offended: Look, I carefully considered my posting that to this list after all the flack that you and others gave me the last time. If you truly believe that issues pertaining to the Intel Core Duo chips are off-topic for any computer or operating system list, then I'll have to rethink my opinion of your level of expertise. I personally think that Intel chip problems and their potential impact on opensuse, Redhat, Ubuntu or any one of the mryiad variants of Linux out there would be very much on topic or, at the very least, close enough to not warrant an admonition from you. There might come a day when I will give up on trying to give you (that is you, plural, as in the list membership) information that might be of some relevance. That time hasn't got here quite yet. If you don't agree with my postings, then you are quite welcome to configure your email filter to flush any message containing my email address. That way, you won't be bothered by any perceived impropriety on my part. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 29 June 2007 11:16, Stevens wrote:
On Friday 29 June 2007 09:09, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Fred,
This message is off-topic for the OpenSUSE list. In the future, please post such message to OpenSUSE-OffTopic@OpenSUSE.org.
Randall Schulz
Randall, and any others who might be offended:
Look, I carefully considered my posting that to this list after all the flack that you and others gave me the last time. If you truly believe that issues pertaining to the Intel Core Duo chips are off-topic for any computer or operating system list, then I'll have to rethink my opinion of your level of expertise.
I don't know or care about "any other computer or operating system list." And I don't care what opinion you hold of my level of expertise. The OpenSUSE list is for people to get help resolving issues pertaining specifically to the openSUSE distribution of Linux. It is not for talking about any old thing that might have some indirect or tangential connection to that OS distribution. This list's volume is high enough even when one counts only on-topic posts. We don't need extraneous ones. That's what the off-topic list is for.
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Fred
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I personally think that Intel chip problems and their potential impact on opensuse, Redhat, Ubuntu or any one of the mryiad variants of Linux out there would be very much on topic or, at the very least, close enough to not warrant an admonition from you.
Your personal opinion to which you are entitled, but not in standing with the reason for this lists existance, support and assistance in the installation and upkeep of openSUSE linux systems.
If you don't agree with my postings, then you are quite welcome to configure your email filter to flush any message containing my email address. That way, you won't be bothered by any perceived impropriety on my part.
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On 6/29/07, Stevens <fred00sandy@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Friday 29 June 2007 09:09, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Fred,
This message is off-topic for the OpenSUSE list. In the future, please post such message to OpenSUSE-OffTopic@OpenSUSE.org.
Randall Schulz
Randall, and any others who might be offended:
Look, I carefully considered my posting that to this list after all the flack that you and others gave me the last time. If you truly believe that issues pertaining to the Intel Core Duo chips are off-topic for any computer or operating system list, then I'll have to rethink my opinion of your level of expertise.
I personally think that Intel chip problems and their potential impact on opensuse, Redhat, Ubuntu or any one of the mryiad variants of Linux out there would be very much on topic or, at the very least, close enough to not warrant an admonition from you.
There might come a day when I will give up on trying to give you (that is you, plural, as in the list membership) information that might be of some relevance. That time hasn't got here quite yet.
If you don't agree with my postings, then you are quite welcome to configure your email filter to flush any message containing my email address. That way, you won't be bothered by any perceived impropriety on my part.
Fred --
Fred, I for one read the article you linked to and appreciated the link. I'm not on the OT list. The one thing that may have made it truly on-topic would be ask what efforts the Linux community and opensuse in particular is making to work around the Intel Duo bugs described. ie. There appear to be security holes and other issues in the new MMU implementations. Does anyone know? Greg -- Greg Freemyer The Norcross Group Forensics for the 21st Century -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 29 June 2007 20:16:11 Stevens wrote:
I personally think that Intel chip problems and their potential impact on opensuse, Redhat, Ubuntu or any one of the mryiad variants of Linux out there would be very much on topic or, at the very least, close enough to not warrant an admonition from you.
I agree, I thought it was highly interesting, and might explain a few issues I've been seeing. I don't think it was off topic -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Friday 29 June 2007 20:16:11 Stevens wrote:
I personally think that Intel chip problems and their potential impact on opensuse, Redhat, Ubuntu or any one of the mryiad variants of Linux out there would be very much on topic or, at the very least, close enough to not warrant an admonition from you.
I agree, I thought it was highly interesting, and might explain a few issues I've been seeing. I don't think it was off topic
While the e-mail was not specifically targeted to the OpenSuse community, the content is important to everyone in the community. We cannot forget that processor errors create symptoms that are hard to track and debug. Fred, while you get toasted on this list, I never get an answer. I am still have no idea what OpenSuse is doing with LKCD. It was heavily maintained by the SUSE community until release 10.0. It know seams to have joined the list of unsupported packages. I have communicated with the author of LKCD, and he does not track the SUSE implementation of LKCD. Sadly, it was a great kernel debugging tool that offered a granularity in dumps not provided by any current kernel dump tool. Bill Anderson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 06:41:36AM -0600, Bill Anderson wrote:
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Friday 29 June 2007 20:16:11 Stevens wrote:
I personally think that Intel chip problems and their potential impact on opensuse, Redhat, Ubuntu or any one of the mryiad variants of Linux out there would be very much on topic or, at the very least, close enough to not warrant an admonition from you.
I agree, I thought it was highly interesting, and might explain a few issues I've been seeing. I don't think it was off topic
While the e-mail was not specifically targeted to the OpenSuse community, the content is important to everyone in the community. We cannot forget that processor errors create symptoms that are hard to track and debug.
Fred, while you get toasted on this list, I never get an answer. I am still have no idea what OpenSuse is doing with LKCD. It was heavily maintained by the SUSE community until release 10.0. It know seams to have joined the list of unsupported packages. I have communicated with the author of LKCD, and he does not track the SUSE implementation of LKCD. Sadly, it was a great kernel debugging tool that offered a granularity in dumps not provided by any current kernel dump tool.
lkcd is more a server thing for us. You will find very good support in SUSE Linux Enterprise 10, but for the community project it is just not as interesting. But we are using it and if you find bugs, please report them and they will get fixed. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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