[opensuse] why not openSUSE used grub 2?
hi, Why openSUSE is not using grub 2 by default? I am just asking for information point of view, don't want to get into the flames. Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/07/2011 11:02 AM, LinuxIsOne wrote:
hi,
Why openSUSE is not using grub 2 by default? I am just asking for information point of view, don't want to get into the flames.
We have a grub2 package but integrating it such that an installation creates the proper setup needs work - and so far nobody volunteered to do so, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Andreas Jaeger
We have a grub2 package but integrating it such that an installation creates the proper setup needs work - and so far nobody volunteered to do so,
Oh I see, but the best part I liked is that openSUSE consists of highly and thoroughly tested softwares and apps and that's what I like! Grub 2 is not yet implemented -- is not an issue, I was just asking about why. Okay but in the coming time after all things....it would be there. Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-12-07 12:35, LinuxIsOne wrote:
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Andreas Jaeger <> wrote:
We have a grub2 package but integrating it such that an installation creates the proper setup needs work - and so far nobody volunteered to do so,
Oh I see, but the best part I liked is that openSUSE consists of highly and thoroughly tested softwares and apps and that's what I like! Grub 2 is not yet implemented -- is not an issue, I was just asking about why. Okay but in the coming time after all things....it would be there.
It is an issue for people with disks bigger than 2TiB. We are recommending them to at least install Ubuntu in another partition, and use it to boot openSUSE. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7fzhIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XRiACfQrjHnofXT0fW8CyO4msq06RL ElYAnjn4ra9ruLlIr8LqHpamMBLUE6s5 =NFsu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Carlos E. R.
It is an issue for people with disks bigger than 2TiB. We are recommending them to at least install Ubuntu in another partition, and use it to boot openSUSE.
But I hope that we would be implementing Grub 2 in the coming 2-3 years. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2011/12/08 01:53 (GMT-0500) LinuxIsOne composed:
I hope that we would be implementing Grub 2 in the coming 2-3 years.
By then maybe Grub2 will be mature enough to make sense in the openSUSE scheme of things, and for openSUSE packagers to understand it well enough to incorporate it into all the different packages it impacts and is impacted by. Meanwhile, there are other FOSS bootloaders. Not only is there Lilo, but others like AiR-Boot, which might turn out to be better than Lilo, Grub Legacy or Grub2 if given a chance. On 2011/12/08 08:49 (GMT-0500) Linux Tyro composed:
And yes don't forget that those who created Grub Legacy were programmers and thus was made suse.
Your logic has a big hole. The first openSUSE release was in September 2005. Previous to that was SuSE (last 9.3), which was not openly developed. Grub Legacy predates 10.0 by years. Instead of spending so much time continuing this thread, why not devote that time to learning Grub2 so that you can contribute to its incorporation in the modules that will need to be updated in order to make it default? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Felix Miata
why not devote that time to learning Grub2 so that you can contribute to its incorporation in the modules that will need to be updated in order to make it default?
True and I start that. Felix, you are matured Linux guy, I mean you know Linux, so let's start! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2011-12-07 12:35, LinuxIsOne wrote:
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Andreas Jaeger <> wrote:
We have a grub2 package but integrating it such that an installation creates the proper setup needs work - and so far nobody volunteered to do so,
Oh I see, but the best part I liked is that openSUSE consists of highly and thoroughly tested softwares and apps and that's what I like! Grub 2 is not yet implemented -- is not an issue, I was just asking about why. Okay but in the coming time after all things....it would be there.
It is an issue for people with disks bigger than 2TiB. We are recommending them to at least install Ubuntu in another partition, and use it to boot openSUSE.
Or use lilo ... -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.5°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-12-08 13:43, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Or use lilo ...
Has lilo improved during this time, and it can handle those big disks that legacy grub can't? That's interesting. But anyway, it is not set up automatically by YaST, so it is not really an option except for experts. Pity we dropped lilo, then. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7gvB0ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WTOQCghW/XZ7vdMQ0qfiNZww/l9u6z emIAoJgqSasoskJj6Ple62gd0aA1AII1 =jc9g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2011-12-08 13:43, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Or use lilo ...
Has lilo improved during this time, and it can handle those big disks that legacy grub can't? That's interesting.
It was only a real problem way back when lilo was limited to the first 1024 cylinders, but I upgraded lilo a couple of months ago. 12.1 has lilo 23.2 which brought quite a few improvements (unrelated to disk-size).
But anyway, it is not set up automatically by YaST, so it is not really an option except for experts. Pity we dropped lilo, then.
We default to grub, but the option to use lilo is still there. The yast module for configuring it needs updating though. Maybe I'll do that too one of these days. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 02:31:09PM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2011-12-08 13:43, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Or use lilo ...
Has lilo improved during this time, and it can handle those big disks that legacy grub can't? That's interesting.
But anyway, it is not set up automatically by YaST, so it is not really an option except for experts.
Pity we dropped lilo, then.
Lilo is part of openSUSE 12.1 as it had been before. It's also possible to switch the used bootloader from inside the YaST bootloader module. Might be better to check and use a current release before fud-ing? Expected reply: "No, no, no, my care, bike, three wheeler, nose poking device had been non working the last time and therefore I had not been able to install 12.1 on a real system. Also the weather had been this shitty and it's so cold outside. Therefore I was less motivated. But my complaining device still works well." Reply: Well, then please consider to save us from such unproductive and openSUSE blaming commnts. They simply draw a wrong and even bad picture. Consider that people are reading such commnets from the archive! I know you can and are willing to do better Carlos. Even in winter time. ;) Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-12-08 14:56, Lars Müller wrote:
Lilo is part of openSUSE 12.1 as it had been before.
It's also possible to switch the used bootloader from inside the YaST bootloader module.
Might be better to check and use a current release before fud-ing?
I'm not fudding. I remember the discussion here when it was decided to drop lilo. Yes, the package can be installed, but the configuration section was reported dropped from yast bootloader code. It is in the mail archive. I have not really checked, I just believed what the maintainers said here. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7g28YACgkQtTMYHG2NR9X91gCfVIKimFW2umVrddRklt5wsAdF WI0An25ppwJ1UeGDwuSD/687JmI3znpz =E3k3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2011-12-08 14:56, Lars Müller wrote:
Lilo is part of openSUSE 12.1 as it had been before.
It's also possible to switch the used bootloader from inside the YaST bootloader module.
Might be better to check and use a current release before fud-ing?
I'm not fudding. I remember the discussion here when it was decided to drop lilo. Yes, the package can be installed, but the configuration section was reported dropped from yast bootloader code.
I argued that we keep the code, but mark the functionality as "might not work". It still works quite well, but does need some fixing. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-12-08 17:39, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I'm not fudding. I remember the discussion here when it was decided to drop lilo. Yes, the package can be installed, but the configuration section was reported dropped from yast bootloader code.
I argued that we keep the code, but mark the functionality as "might not work". It still works quite well, but does need some fixing.
So they just left the code there as it was at the moment. And I assume that bugs are not attended. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7hO/kACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UOZwCfW+/hVCnP33O+eeCo8YvA37Yi ch0AmwSWbXqx2De8kmpDF0BvhrnkKDfZ =kkMP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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Per Jessen