[opensuse] Microsoft TTF fonts and 11.1
Hi, Just to add to the previous thread regarding Microsoft fonts, I have just now approved the "pullin-msttf-fonts" update which brings the "fetchmsttfonts" script that pulls in the redistributable TTFs. You need to select this optional update in your updater (YOU, update applet) to install it. With zypper use: "zypper in fetchmsttfonts". Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 11:52 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Hi,
Just to add to the previous thread regarding Microsoft fonts, I have just now approved the "pullin-msttf-fonts" update which brings the "fetchmsttfonts" script that pulls in the redistributable TTFs.
You need to select this optional update in your updater (YOU, update applet) to install it. With zypper use: "zypper in fetchmsttfonts".
Thanks Marcus, got it through YOU. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, January 14, 2009 11:52, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Hi,
Just to add to the previous thread regarding Microsoft fonts, I have just now approved the "pullin-msttf-fonts" update which brings the "fetchmsttfonts" script that pulls in the redistributable TTFs.
You need to select this optional update in your updater (YOU, update applet) to install it. With zypper use: "zypper in fetchmsttfonts".
Yes, I saw it yesterday. My first reaction when doing an update of all packages was, hey, that's funny, I know that new package name, wasn't it discussed on the list the other day? Kind regards, -- Amedee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2009-01-14 at 11:52 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Just to add to the previous thread regarding Microsoft fonts, I have just now approved the "pullin-msttf-fonts" update which brings the "fetchmsttfonts" script that pulls in the redistributable TTFs.
You need to select this optional update in your updater (YOU, update applet) to install it. With zypper use: "zypper in fetchmsttfonts".
People on the Spanish list are complaining that they are getting this update automatically without warning, and they don't want anything "microsoftish" on their systems. I'll try to convince them to fill a bugzilla, but I'm not sure if they will. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklv2QwACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XWBQCfdcj6lhsEhoTXW9/A0VPvfmO/ VBMAoJkE4I0LCGWaG3MQAJCxB3sBNQ75 =hJKM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 01:47 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Wednesday, 2009-01-14 at 11:52 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Just to add to the previous thread regarding Microsoft fonts, I have just now approved the "pullin-msttf-fonts" update which brings the "fetchmsttfonts" script that pulls in the redistributable TTFs.
You need to select this optional update in your updater (YOU, update applet) to install it. With zypper use: "zypper in fetchmsttfonts".
People on the Spanish list are complaining that they are getting this update automatically without warning, and they don't want anything "microsoftish" on their systems.
I'll try to convince them to fill a bugzilla, but I'm not sure if they will.
Have them check to see if the pullin-msttf-fonts package is installed. I had noticed that on my 11.1 install the package was there waiting for YOU update to be available. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
My Configuration is as below Intel P4 2GHz 845 GLVA Mother board 256 DDR RAM 40GB HDD LG 15" Monitor ..... I have downloaded and installed OpenSuse 11.1 the problem I faced 1. First problem after installation system rebooted then screen goes distorted totally. then i had to restart manually to get visible desktop. 2. 2nd problem i got the visible desktop but some part of it like system tray in the panel is not visible(and am sure that those icons are set as visible)when i put mouse on it i can see the tip like opensuse updater,kinternet tip etc) but i cant see thos icon in the system tray 3. I had much much better experience with 11.0.I expected more from11.1 Can anyone guess why this is happening with me.. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2009/01/16 02:28 (GMT-0800) Prasun Dhara composed:
My Configuration is as below
Intel P4 2GHz 845 GLVA Mother board 256 DDR RAM 40GB HDD LG 15" Monitor
I have downloaded and installed OpenSuse 11.1 the problem I faced
1. First problem after installation system rebooted then screen goes distorted totally. then i had to restart manually to get visible desktop. 2. 2nd problem i got the visible desktop but some part of it like system tray in the panel is not visible(and am sure that those icons are set as visible)when i put mouse on it i can see the tip like opensuse updater,kinternet tip etc) but i cant see thos icon in the system tray
Can anyone guess why this is happening with me..
No guess. You have i845G video. 845 was a big problem in 11.1 development. I have 845G on both a Dell gx260 and a D845GLVA. The Dell was a bigger problem. This is the currently working xorg.conf from 11.1 KDE3 on my GLVA: http://fm.no-ip.com/tmp/SUSE/111/xorg.conf-t2240-suse111 -- "Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it." Proverbs 22:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2009-01-16 at 02:28 -0800, Prasun Dhara wrote:
My Configuration is as below
Please don't hijack threads. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklwlD8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VDVwCeNq4gGSv4ZN8urBnSzszC7rpz Jc0Anj8Nv1IpK+ZzLNqd1fHy7SnkxU1t =oAV7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Prasun Dhara schreef:
My Configuration is as below
Intel P4 2GHz 845 GLVA Mother board 256 DDR RAM 40GB HDD LG 15" Monitor
.....
I have downloaded and installed OpenSuse 11.1 the problem I faced
1. First problem after installation system rebooted then screen goes distorted totally. then i had to restart manually to get visible desktop.
2. 2nd problem i got the visible desktop but some part of it like system tray in the panel is not visible(and am sure that those icons are set as visible)when i put mouse on it i can see the tip like opensuse updater,kinternet tip etc) but i cant see thos icon in the system tray
3. I had much much better experience with 11.0.I expected more from11.1
Can anyone guess why this is happening with me..
Why does your mail have the following references?
References: <20090114105213.GA16589@suse.de>
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2009-01-16 at 00:24 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:
People on the Spanish list are complaining that they are getting this update automatically without warning, and they don't want anything "microsoftish" on their systems.
I'll try to convince them to fill a bugzilla, but I'm not sure if they will.
Have them check to see if the pullin-msttf-fonts package is installed. I had noticed that on my 11.1 install the package was there waiting for YOU update to be available.
Well, that's precisely what they are complaining about! The package is automatically selected to be installed, and they do not want it, because it install Microsoft "things". - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklwa60ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WDJwCcCZvOYu5BjrIVLujZEMZeG8XV LpUAnRYGNA+Z40QsrJC28fBX7OYg1yYK =KhHA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:12:43PM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Friday, 2009-01-16 at 00:24 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:
People on the Spanish list are complaining that they are getting this update automatically without warning, and they don't want anything "microsoftish" on their systems.
I'll try to convince them to fill a bugzilla, but I'm not sure if they will.
Have them check to see if the pullin-msttf-fonts package is installed. I had noticed that on my 11.1 install the package was there waiting for YOU update to be available.
Well, that's precisely what they are complaining about!
The package is automatically selected to be installed, and they do not want it, because it install Microsoft "things".
How is it automatically selected? My tests show: It is not in the Update applets and YOU, you need to specifically select it there. And if you run "zypper up", it will just upgrade the empty(!) pullin-msttf-fonts package, but not install fetchmsttfonts. => So unless "rpm -q fetchmsttfonts" has results, they did not get it at all. => It is not "by default". Also, it installs freely available Microsoft things which have been clarified by our legal team. And it downloads them from Sourceforge btw. (But on third thought, I thought we would display a EULA too.) Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2009-01-16 at 12:31 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:12:43PM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, that's precisely what they are complaining about!
The package is automatically selected to be installed, and they do not want it, because it install Microsoft "things".
How is it automatically selected?
It was installed by YOU. Some complained that after installing the nvidia driver update, the fonts appeared on their system. We thought that would be nvidia's fault; but then another one complained of the same, without the nvidia propietary driver. This chap did not accept the font update. I can not duplicate what they say.
My tests show: It is not in the Update applets and YOU, you need to specifically select it there.
And if you run "zypper up", it will just upgrade the empty(!) pullin-msttf-fonts package, but not install fetchmsttfonts.
I thought the script run automatically. We have a log with that behaviour: /var/log/zypp/history
2009-01-14 19:03:41|install|nvidia-gfxG02-kmp-pae|180.22_2.6.27.7_9.1-4.1|i586|root@linux-ax2|repo|74692a5eee1c9cff33170a6730b8aa9c65569927 # 2009-01-14 19:04:05 x11-video-nvidiaG02-180.22-4.1.i586.rpm installed ok # Additional rpm output: # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Switching the use of "nv" driver of X.Org to "nvidia" driver of NVIDIA # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # SaX generated X11 config file # Patching /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... done # Warning! MD5DIR is not set: you probably called this script outside SuSEconfig...! # Using MD5DIR="/var/adm/SuSEconfig/md5"... # No changes for /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers # No changes for /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config # 2009-01-14 19:04:05|install|x11-video-nvidiaG02|180.22-4.1|i586||repo|4f9c1c556fecafe44f11321043c19b91ab4d791f # 2009-01-14 19:04:05 /var/adm/update-scripts/fetchmsttfonts-11.1-5.6.1-fetchmsttfonts.sh.txt executed # # note: No proxy is used. Please set the environment variable "http_proxy" # note: to your favorite proxy, if you want to use a proxy for the download. # note: # note: bash: export http_proxy="http://proxy.example.com:3128/" # note: tcsh: setenv http_proxy "http://proxy.example.com:3128/" # EULA: # Fetching ... done # # Trying to find the fastest server: # jaist ... 2 sec # voxel ... 1 sec # heanet ... 0 sec # kent ... 1 sec # nchc ... 2 sec # easynews ... 1 sec # waix ... 1 sec # internode ... 2 sec # internap ... 2 sec # The winner is: >> heanet << # # andale32.exe (http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe): ...
=> So unless "rpm -q fetchmsttfonts" has results, they did not get it at all. => It is not "by default".
That's what I tell them, but from the log above, it seems not. They claim it run without their permission.
Also, it installs freely available Microsoft things which have been clarified by our legal team. And it downloads them from Sourceforge btw.
(But on third thought, I thought we would display a EULA too.)
I know, I have the fonts installed in 11.0 (but not in my 11.1 test partition), so I don't have problems with that. But you know that there are people that are very touchy respecting "the evil enemy" and do not want anything related to microsoft on their systems. Some people, you know, reject mono for similar reasons... - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklwd6kACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XGqgCghdqnFhx1728OtxDR8LRMH9+X QwEAoJXvwi3vMiy8G4sFQVJBRZozK35c =tKZr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Marcus Meissner
How is it automatically selected?
My tests show: It is not in the Update applets and YOU, you need to specifically select it there.
And if you run "zypper up", it will just upgrade the empty(!) pullin-msttf-fonts package, but not install fetchmsttfonts.
=> So unless "rpm -q fetchmsttfonts" has results, they did not get it at all. => It is not "by default".
On my system, fetchmsttfonts was installed when I ran my daily 'zypper up -t package'. I can count the number of times I've opened up YOU on one hand and I haven't so much as looked at it in sometime. I definitely never selected fetchmsttfonts for installation, though I don't have a problem with it being installed. There must be something that installs it automatically on some systems and not on others. I do have a number of third party repos enabled, so maybe some package in one of them is pulling it in. Also, I'm using the official fglrx driver, not nvidia. Nkoli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 12:12 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Friday, 2009-01-16 at 00:24 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:
People on the Spanish list are complaining that they are getting this update automatically without warning, and they don't want anything "microsoftish" on their systems.
I'll try to convince them to fill a bugzilla, but I'm not sure if they will.
Have them check to see if the pullin-msttf-fonts package is installed. I had noticed that on my 11.1 install the package was there waiting for YOU update to be available.
Well, that's precisely what they are complaining about!
The package is automatically selected to be installed, and they do not want it, because it install Microsoft "things".
Not _is_ Carlos, _was_ installed originally, waiting for the update to be made available, now the script _is_ available to get the fonts installed. Sorry about the semantics argument, but I just want to make my point clear. Have anyone who has not done the update to uninstall it in YaST. Mike@P-733-Lin:/usr/share/doc/packages/pullin-msttf-fonts> ls README The contents of the README file: This README is the only content of this package. The only use of this package is to trigger an online update that pulls in the real package for installing the Microsoft True Type Fonts. And it looks like Novell is using this strategy for a few other things: Mike@P-733-Lin:/usr/share/doc/packages> ls pull* pullin-flash-player: README pullin-fluendo-mp3: README pullin-msttf-fonts: README Looking in YaST, I see that all of these packages create the directory and install the README files. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2009-01-16 at 11:58 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:
Well, that's precisely what they are complaining about!
The package is automatically selected to be installed, and they do not want it, because it install Microsoft "things".
Not _is_ Carlos, _was_ installed originally, waiting for the update to be made available, now the script _is_ available to get the fonts installed. Sorry about the semantics argument, but I just want to make my point clear. Have anyone who has not done the update to uninstall it in YaST.
No, my 11.1 doesn't have it installed: NOT_nimrodel:~ # rpm -q fetchmsttfonts package fetchmsttfonts is not installed I fully understand that if I had it installed, YOU would update it. AFAIK, these people claim they did not have it installed; the problem is that the people complaining about this, do so after running YOU and installing or reinstalling it, and thus, too late to do checks, and thus, I can not verify this behaviour. It might be that some pattern when they installed the system, or some dependency, installed the rpm, but the script failed and the fonts were not really installed: thus they could not see the fonts. But now YOU would update the broken rpm, run the script, and sucessfully downloads the fonts. This would explain what is hapening. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklxJFMACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U1cgCfQO/7rrE18VZTd+83Du++OHWB 4tMAoJXQ4PltSaecu0kuU5iWHwJKBCCq =P9Lq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 01:20:31AM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Friday, 2009-01-16 at 11:58 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:
Well, that's precisely what they are complaining about!
The package is automatically selected to be installed, and they do not want it, because it install Microsoft "things".
Not _is_ Carlos, _was_ installed originally, waiting for the update to be made available, now the script _is_ available to get the fonts installed. Sorry about the semantics argument, but I just want to make my point clear. Have anyone who has not done the update to uninstall it in YaST.
No, my 11.1 doesn't have it installed:
NOT_nimrodel:~ # rpm -q fetchmsttfonts package fetchmsttfonts is not installed
I fully understand that if I had it installed, YOU would update it. AFAIK, these people claim they did not have it installed; the problem is that the people complaining about this, do so after running YOU and installing or reinstalling it, and thus, too late to do checks, and thus, I can not verify this behaviour.
It might be that some pattern when they installed the system, or some dependency, installed the rpm, but the script failed and the fonts were not really installed: thus they could not see the fonts.
But now YOU would update the broken rpm, run the script, and sucessfully downloads the fonts.
This would explain what is hapening.
I think: The pullin-msttf-fonts "Recommends: fetchmsttfonts" and some package operations will pull it in additionaly. That the EULA display and query does not work is a bug though. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2009-01-17 at 01:49 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote:
I think: The pullin-msttf-fonts "Recommends: fetchmsttfonts" and some package operations will pull it in additionaly.
Ah, I wasn't aware that there are two rpms: fetchmsttfonts and pullin-msttf-fonts.
That the EULA display and query does not work is a bug though.
Yes, certainly that would have avoided the problems they are complaining about. They would have seen it and had a chance to reject. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklxQuoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9X+eACcDEO+Dk3J4qcqogaWbS/GXjKA m4gAnjozUhnxZ2n5Yx6tXIq1xhpo2LCv =WGEc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2009-01-17 at 01:20 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Friday, 2009-01-16 at 11:58 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:
Well, that's precisely what they are complaining about!
The package is automatically selected to be installed, and they do not want it, because it install Microsoft "things".
Not _is_ Carlos, _was_ installed originally, waiting for the update to be made available, now the script _is_ available to get the fonts installed. Sorry about the semantics argument, but I just want to make my point clear. Have anyone who has not done the update to uninstall it in YaST.
No, my 11.1 doesn't have it installed:
NOT_nimrodel:~ # rpm -q fetchmsttfonts package fetchmsttfonts is not installed
I fully understand that if I had it installed, YOU would update it. AFAIK, these people claim they did not have it installed; the problem is that the people complaining about this, do so after running YOU and installing or reinstalling it, and thus, too late to do checks, and thus, I can not verify this behaviour.
The fetchmsttfonts is done by having the pullin-mstt-etc package installed already. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2009-01-17 at 00:40 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:
The fetchmsttfonts is done by having the pullin-mstt-etc package installed already.
Then the problem is knowing why pullin-mstt-etc was installed without permission. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklycKoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WEDACeMy4bk8HGlP7o3las29MCgOjy fToAnjk3pEbLflOjHvIgD9OSR9wbb5Jb =Q7I+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 00:58 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Saturday, 2009-01-17 at 00:40 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:
The fetchmsttfonts is done by having the pullin-mstt-etc package installed already.
Then the problem is knowing why pullin-mstt-etc was installed without permission.
I suspect that like the other pullin- packages, that they are now part of the base install. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2009-01-17 at 23:39 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:
The fetchmsttfonts is done by having the pullin-mstt-etc package installed already.
Then the problem is knowing why pullin-mstt-etc was installed without permission.
I suspect that like the other pullin- packages, that they are now part of the base install.
No, my 11.1 doesn't have it. And it should warn about the different license terms it has. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklzvPIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VZ4QCeOlNVLwkNxy3vmlqrdcrPrjMM tgYAn2ZWX+ObUX2snfr4tozjmOd2tHso =794w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Amedee Van Gasse -
Carlos E. R. -
Carlos E. R. -
Felix Miata -
Marcus Meissner -
Mike McMullin -
Nkoli -
Prasun Dhara