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Ferdinando Bassi

6 Oct 2005 6 Oct '05

17:06

Could anyone explain me the difference between the CD retail and the DVD eval iso's?? Thank you!

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You can grab the DVD torrent file here:

i386 http://www.kenandbarbie.us/suse/SUSE-10.0-EvalDVD-i386-GM.iso.torrent

X64 http://www.kenandbarbie.us/suse/SUSE-10.0-EvalDVD-x86_64-GM.iso.torrent

On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 11:15 -0500, Sunny wrote:

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On 10/6/05, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Bill Merriam writes:

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This link is bad, 404 error. Do you have another?

Try for now: http://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/10.0/iso/SUSE-10.0-CD-i386-GM.torrent

I've fixed it also,

Andreas

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Are there any mirrors for the torrent file itself? I can not even get the torrent file from suse server. It stays on 1% almost 10 minutes now.

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James Knott

6 Oct 6 Oct

17:09

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Ferdinando Bassi wrote:

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Could anyone explain me the difference between the CD retail and the DVD eval iso's?? Thank you!

$59.95. ;-) Actually, with the retail package, you get manuals and some apps that might not be on the free download.

Anders Norrbring

17:46

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On 2005-10-06 19:06 Ferdinando Bassi wrote:

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Could anyone explain me the difference between the CD retail and the DVD eval iso's?? Thank you!

The DVDs contains all the CDs, that's the difference. Anders Norrbring

Ferdinando Bassi

18:00

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The DVDs contains all the CDs, that's the difference.

Thank you... Probably I badly posted my question... My question was: why DVD is named Eval and the CDs are named Retail? Where are they different? More, the following link suggests that they are heavily different: http://www.novell.com/products/linuxpackages/professional/diff_cd_dvd.html Bye, Ferdinando

Andreas Jaeger

18:35

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"Ferdinando Bassi" writes:

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The DVDs contains all the CDs, that's the difference.

Thank you... Probably I badly posted my question... My question was: why DVD is named Eval and the CDs are named Retail?

Because we had no better name for them :-)

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Where are they different?

Nowhere, exact same packages.

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More, the following link suggests that they are heavily different: http://www.novell.com/products/linuxpackages/professional/diff_cd_dvd.html

That's the 8 GB DVD9, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

jdd sur free

19:35

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Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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"Ferdinando Bassi" writes:

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The DVDs contains all the CDs, that's the difference. Thank you... Probably I badly posted my question... My question was: why DVD is named Eval and the CDs are named Retail?

Because we had no better name for them :-)

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Where are they different?

Nowhere, exact same packages.

Andreas, note that the question was about "eval" DVD. As long as I know, "eval" dvd can't be installed on the hard drive (see my other post on the subject), it can be run directly from the dvd, it's a big difference. of course the running content is the same as the cd's, but only a subset for evident reason (it's simply not possible to install all the apps for compatibility reason) jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr

Ferdinando Bassi

20:37

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Andreas, note that the question was about "eval" DVD. As long as I know, "eval" dvd can't be installed on the hard drive (see my other post on the subject)

Mmhh, wasn't that the Live DVD? I suppose Eval is different than Live... So, my last question: does "eval" involve any kind of licensing problem when installed on HD? Is Eval DVD just the same of Retail CD? Does Eval DVD "stop", just like a trial? Do I have full right to install it and use it for business purpose? Downloading Eval DVD is the same than downloading 5 CDs and use the script to build the DVD? If not, why this kind of name instead of Retail DVD?

Andreas Jaeger

7 Oct 7 Oct

06:53

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"Ferdinando Bassi" writes:

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Andreas, note that the question was about "eval" DVD. As long as I know, "eval" dvd can't be installed on the hard drive (see my other post on the subject)

Mmhh, wasn't that the Live DVD? I suppose Eval is different than Live... So, my last question:

Last question? Or last questions ;-)

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does "eval" involve any kind of licensing problem when installed on HD?

No.

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Is Eval DVD just the same of Retail CD?

Just

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Does Eval DVD "stop", just like a trial?

No.

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Do I have full right to install it and use it for business purpose?

Yes - but don't expect enterprise support.

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Downloading Eval DVD is the same than downloading 5 CDs and use the script to build the DVD?

yes.

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If not, why this kind of name instead of Retail DVD?

The DVD in the retail box is a biarch DVD9 of 8.5 GB - the Eval DVD is a DVD5 of 3.6 GB for a single arch - we had to name it differentely. Eval might not have been the best choice but it's one we used for some time already... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

jdd sur free

10:47

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Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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The DVD in the retail box is a biarch DVD9 of 8.5 GB - the Eval DVD is a DVD5 of 3.6 GB for a single arch - we had to name it differentely. Eval might not have been the best choice but it's one we used for some time already...

if this is true, eval is a very bad name :-(, it's just a i386DVD? because live eval cd/dvd was a very intersting thing. If so, do you plan to do again a "live" eval?? thanks jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr

Ferdinando Bassi

15:21

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The DVD in the retail box is a biarch DVD9 of 8.5 GB - the Eval DVD is a DVD5 of 3.6 GB for a single arch - we had to name it differentely. Eval might not have been the best choice but it's one we used for some time already... Eval DVD is exactly the same content as the Retail CDs. We can name them differently next time, please propose something new,

My 0.02 cents: - SUSE-CD-i386.iso => Installation CDs - SUSE-DVD-i386.iso => Installation DVD - SUSE-DVD-biarch.iso => Double layer DVD - SUSE-DVD-Live.iso => Live distro - SUSE-DVD-x64.iso => DVD 64 bit version In general: SUSE-<media>-<arch>.iso In my opinion it it easier and you'll avoid tons of mails asking what to download for their architecture... Anyway, SUSE 10 is great, and that's the only important thing... Keep on the good work! Ferdinando

Shriramana Sharma

15:22

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Friday 07 Oct 2005 16:17 samaye jdd sur free alekhiit:

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if this is true, eval is a very bad name :-(, it's just a i386DVD?

Yes. That's right. You also have a x86_64 version.

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because live eval cd/dvd was a very intersting thing. If so, do you plan to do again a "live" eval??

It's also already there. In the iso directory of your mirror, look for a file called SUSE-10.0-LiveDVD.iso.

jdd sur free

16:10

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Shriramana Sharma wrote:

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Friday 07 Oct 2005 16:17 samaye jdd sur free alekhiit:

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if this is true, eval is a very bad name :-(, it's just a i386DVD?

Yes. That's right. You also have a x86_64 version.

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because live eval cd/dvd was a very intersting thing. If so, do you plan to do again a "live" eval??

It's also already there. In the iso directory of your mirror, look for a file called SUSE-10.0-LiveDVD.iso.

so only a bad naming.

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noaday, the mirrors are very difficult to see :-) a very good news, 10.0 is a success :-) jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr

Mike McMullin

16:47

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On Fri, 2005-10-07 at 12:47 +0200, jdd sur free wrote:

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Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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The DVD in the retail box is a biarch DVD9 of 8.5 GB - the Eval DVD is a DVD5 of 3.6 GB for a single arch - we had to name it differentely. Eval might not have been the best choice but it's one we used for some time already...

if this is true, eval is a very bad name :-(, it's just a i386DVD?

I like this for a naming scheme. Not confusing like eval, and it denotes the platform supported.

Andreas Jaeger

06:51

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jdd sur free writes:

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Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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"Ferdinando Bassi" writes:

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The DVDs contains all the CDs, that's the difference. Thank you... Probably I badly posted my question... My question was: why DVD is named Eval and the CDs are named Retail? Because we had no better name for them :-)

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Where are they different? Nowhere, exact same packages.

Andreas, note that the question was about "eval" DVD. As long as I know, "eval" dvd can't be installed on the hard drive (see my other post on the subject), it can be run directly from the dvd, it's a big difference. of course the running content is the same as the cd's, but only a subset for evident reason (it's simply not possible to install all the apps for compatibility reason)

The SUSE Evals of the last two years could all be installed - and the Eval DVD is exactly the same content as the Retail CDs. We can name them differently next time, please propose something new, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

Shriramana Sharma

08:06

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Friday 07 Oct 2005 12:21 samaye Andreas Jaeger alekhiit:

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Eval DVD is exactly the same content as the Retail CDs. We can name them differently next time, please propose something new,

Why give it any separate name at all? Do you give the CDs any name? No. Then why for the DVD only? If you want to differentiate it from the Live DVD then just call it the install DVD. Else for every release that carries the word Eval you will be receiving fifty questions like this - why is it eval, is it limited-functionality, is it limited-time, does it not install, etc etc etc. All of which are quite natural, too. So just removing the word Eval will do, or just replace it by Install. SS.

jdd sur free

10:43

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Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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The SUSE Evals of the last two years could all be installed - and the Eval DVD is exactly the same content as the Retail CDs. We can name them differently next time, please propose something new,

Are we all speaking of the "live eval" cd? the only "eval" cd/dvd I know? I have in hand the 9.2 liveavel dvd, it have 1.27Gb, obviously not the hole cd content. I was acustomed to use suse liveaval on distant learning process and could not continue with this one of course, when you boot this dvd there is no install option, you boot and have a full functionning suse from it. searching, I found an "install into directory" in yast. May be this allow to install the eval cd. If true it's great and should be enphasised somewhere. I was used to see "suse8000"... files in my root (windows) directory and don't see them now, but may be this is related with the enhancement of the ram quantity. however I don't find a way to save config (network config, fe) on a live system. anyway, if the 10.0 dvd is the same thing (but is it the same thing?), it's not the same as the 5 cd's (it's better in some aspects). please, we need to know :-) thanks jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr

Shriramana Sharma

15:35

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Friday 07 Oct 2005 16:13 samaye jdd sur free alekhiit:

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Are we all speaking of the "live eval" cd? the only "eval" cd/dvd I know?

Well you do not know of the *other* "eval" DVD, which is the only eval DVD *I* know. It installs, no problem.

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I have in hand the 9.2 liveavel dvd, it have 1.27Gb, obviously not the hole cd content.

This time the "eval" DVD has the same content as the 5 CDs. The readme files under the iso directory of your favourite mirror will tell you this.

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of course, when you boot this dvd there is no install option, you boot and have a full functionning suse from it.

That's the Live DVD. Not the so called "Eval" DVD.

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anyway, if the 10.0 dvd is the same thing (but is it the same thing?), it's not the same as the 5 cd's (it's better in some aspects).

It's the same thing, it's the same thing. Read this: ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/suse/i386/10.0/iso/README.txt if you don't believe me.

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please, we need to know :-)

Je m'imagine que vous savez tout maintenant! :) S:R)

Anders Norrbring

15:44

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On 2005-10-07 17:35 Shriramana Sharma wrote:

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anyway, if the 10.0 dvd is the same thing (but is it the same thing?), it's not the same as the 5 cd's (it's better in some aspects).

It's the same thing, it's the same thing. Read this: ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/suse/i386/10.0/iso/README.txt if you don't believe me.

Exactly. The DVD on the download servers is everything on the 5 CDs. No more, no less. If you want the full 10.0 Pro distribution, you have to buy the box. Simple as that. -- Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting

jdd sur free

16:40

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Anders Norrbring wrote:

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Exactly. The DVD on the download servers is everything on the 5 CDs. No more, no less.

it's only a name problem, shriramana gave a very good explanation (thanks for him - and the others) jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr

Carl William Spitzer IV

8 Oct 8 Oct

02:21

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On Fri, 2005-10-07 at 17:44 +0200, Anders Norrbring wrote:

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If you want the full 10.0 Pro distribution, you have to buy the box. Simple as that.

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Sid Boyce

15:38

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Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:

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On Fri, 2005-10-07 at 17:44 +0200, Anders Norrbring wrote:

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If you want the full 10.0 Pro distribution, you have to buy the box. Simple as that.

Full except for the source dvd which is downloadable or $15.

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Guillermo Ballester Valor

7 Oct 7 Oct

18:41

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El Viernes, 7 de Octubre de 2005 08:51, Andreas Jaeger escribió:

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We can name them differently next time, please propose something new,

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Mike McMullin

05:02

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On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 19:46 +0200, Anders Norrbring wrote:

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On 2005-10-06 19:06 Ferdinando Bassi wrote:

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Could anyone explain me the difference between the CD retail and the DVD eval iso's?? Thank you!

The DVDs contains all the CDs, that's the difference.

Why are they eval's?

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