On 01/23/2014 01:45 PM, jdebert pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

Ken Schneider - openSUSE:

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Back in the old days before "X" was auto-configured there was a way to adjust the screen size (not resolution) and position. With my Toshiba Satellite the "screen" is too far to the left which cuts off the left part of the desktop and any open windows which I have full screen.

Is there a way to adjust these settings anywhere. And NO I do not wish to create a custom xorg.conf.

SAX3 may work for you. SAX2 used to have controls to adjust display positiion and was superior to the X autoconfig.

That's all I can suggest. SAX3 crashes & breaks my display so I have to set it up manually now.

sax3 doesn't provide the adjustments I need but thanks anyway. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/23/2014 11:29 PM, Felix Miata pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

On 2014-01-23 11:52 (GMT-0500) Ken Schneider composed:

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Back in the old days before "X" was auto-configured there was a way to adjust the screen size (not resolution) and position. With my Toshiba Satellite the "screen" is too far to the left which cuts off the left part of the desktop and any open windows which I have full screen.

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Is there a way to adjust these settings anywhere. And NO I do not wish to create a custom xorg.conf.

Desktop LCDs have a dedicated button and/or a menu control to at least attempt to conform the display size and position to the software. Don't laptops have the same?

Mine does not. Toshiba Satellite. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/24/2014 12:30 AM, Michael Hamilton wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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Back in the old days before "X" was auto-configured there was a way to adjust the screen size (not resolution) and position. With my Toshiba Satellite the "screen" is too far to the left which cuts off the left part of the desktop and any open windows which I have full screen.

Is there a way to adjust these settings anywhere. And NO I do not wish to create a custom xorg.conf.

-- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998

I think there used to be a way to do this with a GUI tool, but I have not needed to do so in many years.

Perhaps take a look at the man page for xrandr

IIR xrandr and its DM variants only offer a choice based on what the X server autoconfigures or what is defined in the xorg.conf.d/50-monitor.conf Ken, this late model way of setting the xserver is much nicer than the old single file method. You only have to specify what you need to 'override' rather than write a complete config file. -- Democracy does not guarantee equality of conditions; it only guarantees equality of opportunity. --Irving Kristol -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/24/2014 10:01 AM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

On 01/24/2014 07:22 AM, Anton Aylward pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On 01/24/2014 12:30 AM, Michael Hamilton wrote:

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On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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I think there used to be a way to do this with a GUI tool, but I have not needed to do so in many years.

Perhaps take a look at the man page for xrandr

IIR xrandr and its DM variants only offer a choice based on what the X server autoconfigures or what is defined in the xorg.conf.d/50-monitor.conf

Ken, this late model way of setting the xserver is much nicer than the old single file method. You only have to specify what you need to 'override' rather than write a complete config file.

I'm sure it is but not knowing what to change and where to change it can be daunting for the uninformed. Can you point people to documentation for changing the settings?

Man xorg.conf perhaps? $ apropos xorg.conf xorg.conf (5) - configuration files for Xorg X server xorg.conf.d (5) - configuration files for Xorg X server Try playing with the Virtual and Viewport options in "Section Screen" "SubSection Display". Online http://www.x.org/ Doens't your display have some kind of 'auto' or a manual 'shift'? -- By nature's law, every man has a right to seize and retake by force his own property taken from him by another, by force of fraud. Nor is this natural right among the first which is taken into the hands of regular government after it is instituted. It was long retained by our ancestors. It was a part of their common law, laid down in their books, recognized by all the authorities, and regulated as to circumstances of practice. --Thomas Jefferson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/24/2014 10:27 AM, Anton Aylward pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

On 01/24/2014 10:01 AM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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On 01/24/2014 07:22 AM, Anton Aylward pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On 01/24/2014 12:30 AM, Michael Hamilton wrote:

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On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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I think there used to be a way to do this with a GUI tool, but I have not needed to do so in many years.

Perhaps take a look at the man page for xrandr

IIR xrandr and its DM variants only offer a choice based on what the X server autoconfigures or what is defined in the xorg.conf.d/50-monitor.conf

Ken, this late model way of setting the xserver is much nicer than the old single file method. You only have to specify what you need to 'override' rather than write a complete config file.

I'm sure it is but not knowing what to change and where to change it can be daunting for the uninformed. Can you point people to documentation for changing the settings?

Man xorg.conf perhaps?

$ apropos xorg.conf xorg.conf (5) - configuration files for Xorg X server xorg.conf.d (5) - configuration files for Xorg X server

Try playing with the Virtual and Viewport options in "Section Screen" "SubSection Display".

Online http://www.x.org/

Doens't your display have some kind of 'auto' or a manual 'shift'?

Hmm... For the DisplaySize would I add a line under "Monitor" like this? Option DisplaySize 380 215 This is exactly where man pages suck, no examples to go by. What is the saying?, "a picture is worth a thousand words". -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Without SAX2, it seems manually editing modelines is necessary. That's the domain of wizards and mages because it's too easy to damage display and/or graphics card. SAX2 could safely do the centering and display sizing graphically and then modify the modelines appropriately. IIRC, there was some useful modeline info in the O'Reilly book "X User Tools" which is about 20 years out of print. I also seem to recall a how-to covering modelines that seems to now be extinct. No idea why such useful information should disappear. Too much of that is happening lately. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 25/01/2014 06:13, Felix Miata a écrit :

Xorg, given valid EDID or display specs via config file, is smart enough 99.9999% of the time to auto-generate acceptable modelines.

well... this mean only we have to provide correct spec file, what is not simpler :-( anyway, why do not use "xvidtune" jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 25/01/2014 09:16, Felix Miata a écrit :

For most LCDs for which the display's actual specs are not discoverable, the numbers above will be close enough for Xorg to calculate suitably every bit as well as cvt, gtf or any of those web page calculators.

obviously this do not always works... so the need to an other tool jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Greg Freemyer:

jdebert wrote:

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Without SAX2, it seems manually editing modelines is necessary. That's the domain of wizards and mages because it's too easy to damage display and/or graphics card. SAX2 could safely do the centering and display sizing graphically and then modify the modelines appropriately.

Are you ignoring SAX3 for some reason?

I know it doesn't work for all, but at least acknowledge it since it's in the distro.

Greg

Sorry, I did not realize that it must be mentioned in every single post. jd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/25/2014 09:46 AM, Greg Freemyer pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

jdebert wrote:

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Without SAX2, it seems manually editing modelines is necessary. That's the domain of wizards and mages because it's too easy to damage display and/or graphics card. SAX2 could safely do the centering and display sizing graphically and then modify the modelines appropriately.

Are you ignoring SAX3 for some reason?

I know it doesn't work for all, but at least acknowledge it since it's in the distro.

Greg

I have tried it and it does not provide what I'm looking for. I need to see the changes to the actual screen as the numbers are changed and I get that with sax3. So far I tried three different changes which only caused ""X" not to start until I removed config files created by sax3. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

You could try arandr from here http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/opensuse/distribution/openSUSE-stable/repo/oss/... Mike On 24/01/14 05:30, Michael Hamilton wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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Back in the old days before "X" was auto-configured there was a way to adjust the screen size (not resolution) and position. With my Toshiba Satellite the "screen" is too far to the left which cuts off the left part of the desktop and any open windows which I have full screen.

Is there a way to adjust these settings anywhere. And NO I do not wish to create a custom xorg.conf.

-- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998

I think there used to be a way to do this with a GUI tool, but I have not needed to do so in many years.

Perhaps take a look at the man page for xrandr

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