(Using Pascal's words, as they are [and will probably remain] applicable:) I'm starting a new thread, sorry, but the original one has been hijacked several times and mutated into something unreadable. Current: 1. Do we want/need openSUSE web forum(s) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Answer is: YES 2. Will it take resources away from other SUSE tasks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I think it is now time to discuss what resources are required to achieve a forum.opensuse.org which is hosted by Novell. What is the estimated work hours in setting this up, assuming that hardware is available? What current project would person building a forum server be taken from? Do we want it now? (Is anything within 6 months feasible? Especially as the openSUSE staff has a poor delivery track record for things outside the actual distribution - sorry but this is a current reality that will hopefully be soon broken) It is agreed that active moderators will be community members. We need to establish a mechanism for selecting moderators. With clear processes about appointment, removal, responsibilities etc. Do we need to form a web forum project team? With their own temporary mailing list to remove all this from the general list. 3. Do we create a new forum or do we elect one of the existing ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Answer: We create a new one. The existing forum community seem not be offended or upset although they may not admit that there is a big benefit in creating our own forum. This exercise has shown that the openSUSE community is a subset of the existing overall SUSE community, with users on this list being isolated (but thinking they are at the centre), and that there is real need to establish openSUSE.org as the centre of the SUSE universe, through all the services at openSUSE.org. 4. Internationalized forums ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Answer: Yes. 5. Wait for and use Novell's proprietary forums ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Answer: No Peter 'Pflodo' Flodin
On Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 11:44:48AM +1100, Peter Flodin wrote:
2. Will it take resources away from other SUSE tasks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I think it is now time to discuss what resources are required to achieve a forum.opensuse.org which is hosted by Novell.
What is the estimated work hours in setting this up, assuming that hardware is available?
Technical feedback can be gotten from SUSE Poland who have http://forum.suse.pl/
What current project would person building a forum server be taken from? Do we want it now? (Is anything within 6 months feasible? Especially as the openSUSE staff has a poor delivery track record for things outside the actual distribution - sorry but this is a current reality that will hopefully be soon broken)
We want it Yesterday. :-) It would be nice to have it with the launch of 10.1. Why not just start with one language and add others after a while when all is well and running?
It is agreed that active moderators will be community members. We need to establish a mechanism for selecting moderators. With clear processes about appointment, removal, responsibilities etc.
I would say that active moderators can be anybody. The way you word it you exclude Novell and SUSE people.
Do we need to form a web forum project team? With their own temporary mailing list to remove all this from the general list.
If it really is going to be tempraraly, then yes. The moment the forum goes life, it should be abandoned and deleted. houghi -- The man who said "A bird in the hand's worth two in the bush" has been putting his bird in the *WRONG* bushes.
On Saturday 28 January 2006 21:35, houghi wrote:
We want it Yesterday. :-) It would be nice to have it with the launch of 10.1. Why not just start with one language and add others after a while when all is well and running?
Could just start with one language, and create localization subforums, as in a Spanish, French, etc forums.
If it really is going to be tempraraly, then yes. The moment the forum goes life, it should be abandoned and deleted.
A listserv probably doesn't need to be set up. I'd suggest just a group of contacts that are involved. Another list would be extraneous effort imho. Joseph M. Gaffney aka CuCullin
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Peter Flodin wrote:
2. Will it take resources away from other SUSE tasks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I think it is now time to discuss what resources are required to achieve a forum.opensuse.org which is hosted by Novell.
The way I see it, the initial setup would need ~ 1 man week (this includes adding support for iChains to $forum_software => this would enable existing openSUSE.org wiki / bugzilla accounts. + configuration of AppArmor => enhances security). It's really difficult to account for the maintenance -- my guess would be that this is somewhere around 2-3 man days per month, depending on security vulnerabilities, etc. Realistically the creation of a forum would need to be postponed to March.
What is the estimated work hours in setting this up, assuming that hardware is available? What current project would person building a forum server be taken from? Do we want it now? (Is anything within 6 months feasible? Especially as the openSUSE staff has a poor delivery track record for things outside the actual distribution - sorry but this is a current reality that will hopefully be soon broken)
AFAIK this is still to be defined. If we are fine with waiting until early March, I can offer to take the required time to drive the initial setup out of my schedule then. (But ATM I'm like 99% busy with university ;))
It is agreed that active moderators will be community members. We need to establish a mechanism for selecting moderators. With clear processes about appointment, removal, responsibilities etc.
Do we need to form a web forum project team? With their own temporary mailing list to remove all this from the general list.
I'd say yes -- e.g. we need to discuss what kind of sub forums we need to create, etc. Setting up a mailing list shouldn't take too long ;) Henne?
5. Wait for and use Novell's proprietary forums ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Answer: No
This needs to be communicated properly to the according Novell team. Sonja? Regards Christoph
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