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Felix Miata

22 Oct 2008 22 Oct '08

22:49

Months ago I burned a 10.3 ppc boot.iso. Today I tried it on a G4 w/ 384M of RAM, starting with the self check of the media, and it failed. Afterward I downloaded the whole 11.0 DVD iso, checked the md5sum, then burned it on 10.2 using K3B. Media self check failed on it too. After trying to use it anyway several times, always crashing YaST2 at the end of package detailed selection, I tried just using it to start a network install. That too crashed at the end of package selection. So I tried to capture the y2logs, but that too fails. 'ls -l /sbin/sa*' gives me "/sbin/save_y2logs: No such file or directory", a totally absurd command response. I can see save_y2logs lives in /mounts/mp_0001/sbin. Why can't it work? Why don't 'ls -rt' or 'ls -alrt' work, while 'ls -l' does? Has anyone ever gotten 11.0 ppc to install? -- "Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to become angry." James 1:19 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Carlos E. R.

22 Oct 22 Oct

23:10

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Months ago I burned a 10.3 ppc boot.iso. Today I tried it on a G4 w/ 384M of RAM, starting with the self check of the media, and it failed. Afterward I downloaded the whole 11.0 DVD iso, checked the md5sum, then burned it on 10.2 using K3B. Media self check failed on it too.

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/mounts/mp_0001/sbin. Why can't it work? Why don't 'ls -rt' or 'ls -alrt' work, while 'ls -l' does?

As media check failed, your copy of the DVD is bad, thus you should not even have tried the install. Get a DVD that passes the test. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkj/svAACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UoUQCfdpS1nAyOYW8gw7GcEylTI2c7 zjQAn1xLIw+u3+KYGP/eQG0GuRnThXnX =ct3U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

23 Oct 23 Oct

00:52

On 2008/10/23 01:10 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

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Months ago I burned a 10.3 ppc boot.iso. Today I tried it on a G4 w/ 384M of RAM, starting with the self check of the media, and it failed. Afterward I downloaded the whole 11.0 DVD iso, checked the md5sum, then burned it on 10.2 using K3B. Media self check failed on it too.

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/mounts/mp_0001/sbin. Why can't it work? Why don't 'ls -rt' or 'ls -alrt' work, while 'ls -l' does?

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As media check failed, your copy of the DVD is bad, thus you should not even have tried the install.

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Get a DVD that passes the test.

How many would you burn before you take the position that either the G4 Mac is what is broken in some way, or the test program or installation program on the media is broken? I've now tried 3 different isos (10.3-GM-ppc-mini.iso, 11.0-DVD-ppc.iso & 11.0-NET-ppc.iso), all having passed the md5sum test prior to burn, all burned at half or less of the writer's maximum speed capability, the latter burned directly with wodim directly instead of via K3B, all on a writer that's never before produced any bad burn that I'm aware of. Even with the mini CDs, the test applet reports that the _DVD_ is broken, having failed the checksum. With the DVD, I tried both DVD as source, and HTTP as source, and with the -NET, HTTP as source, and all failed in exactly the same place. I find it really hard to believe the media could really result in the identical problem each time after so many different tries and medias. -- "Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to become angry." James 1:19 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott

01:05

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Even with the mini CDs, the test applet reports that the _DVD_ is broken, having failed the checksum. With the DVD, I tried both DVD as source, and HTTP as source, and with the -NET, HTTP as source, and all failed in exactly the same place. I find it really hard to believe the media could really result in the identical problem each time after so many different tries and medias.

Try the media test in a running system and see what happens. Do you know the media is OK? Perhaps you got a bad batch. What about the burner? -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

01:52

On 2008/10/22 21:05 (GMT-0400) James Knott composed:

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Even with the mini CDs, the test applet reports that the _DVD_ is broken, having failed the checksum. With the DVD, I tried both DVD as source, and HTTP as source, and with the -NET, HTTP as source, and all failed in exactly the same place. I find it really hard to believe the media could really result in the identical problem each time after so many different tries and medias.

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Try the media test in a running system and see what happens. Do you

Exactly what running system? I have only one Mac, and it has no functional operating system yet installed.

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know the media is OK?

I used the last of the previous (Memorex) batch to do disk #3. I got no bad burns I'm aware of out of the batch of 50.

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Perhaps you got a bad batch. What about the burner?

I used the new batch, a different brand (Office Depot), in a different computer, with a different burner, with wodim (on 11.1 Factory) at 8X, to make a 4th disk, and it also fails the built-in checksum test. I put the 3rd disk, made in the first puter with the first burner (10.2), into the 2nd puter and burner, ran md5sum on it, and got a perfect match to the MD5SUM file content I downloaded for it. For anyone who might be able to tell if there's anything I might do differently to succeed, I used the network and captured a y2logs set: http://fm.no-ip.com/tmp/SUSE/YaST2/y2logsppc.tgz -- "Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to become angry." James 1:19 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott

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Felix Miata wrote:

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Even with the mini CDs, the test applet reports that the _DVD_ is broken, having failed the checksum. With the DVD, I tried both DVD as source, and HTTP as source, and with the -NET, HTTP as source, and all failed in exactly the same place. I find it really hard to believe the media could really result in the identical problem each time after so many different tries and medias.

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Try the media test in a running system and see what happens. Do you

Exactly what running system? I have only one Mac, and it has no functional operating system yet installed.

Do you not have another Linux system available? Any of them should be able to check the burned DVD. You can even do that in Windows. In OpenSUSE, there's a media check in Yast.

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know the media is OK?

I used the last of the previous (Memorex) batch to do disk #3. I got no bad burns I'm aware of out of the batch of 50.

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Perhaps you got a bad batch. What about the burner?

I used the new batch, a different brand (Office Depot), in a different computer, with a different burner, with wodim (on 11.1 Factory) at 8X, to make a 4th disk, and it also fails the built-in checksum test. I put the 3rd disk, made in the first puter with the first burner (10.2), into the 2nd puter and burner, ran md5sum on it, and got a perfect match to the MD5SUM file content I downloaded for it.

For anyone who might be able to tell if there's anything I might do differently to succeed, I used the network and captured a y2logs set: http://fm.no-ip.com/tmp/SUSE/YaST2/y2logsppc.tgz

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Felix Miata

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On 2008/10/23 07:11 (GMT-0400) James Knott composed:

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Try the media test in a running system and see what happens. Do you

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Exactly what running system? I have only one Mac, and it has no functional operating system yet installed.

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You mean besides what I wrote about in what you quoted below?

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able to check the burned DVD. You can even do that in Windows. In

I have no windoz partitions in machines equipped with DVD. OTOH, I have several with various flavors of SUSE and DVD.

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OpenSUSE, there's a media check in Yast.

Is that different in function from the (successful) md5sum I ran from shell prompt (and wrote about in what you quoted below)?

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I used the last of the previous (Memorex) batch to do disk #3. I got no bad burns I'm aware of out of the batch of 50.

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Perhaps you got a bad batch. What about the burner?

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I used the new batch, a different brand (Office Depot), in a different computer, with a different burner, with wodim (on 11.1 Factory) at 8X, to make a 4th disk, and it also fails the built-in checksum test. I put the 3rd disk, made in the first puter with the first burner (10.2), into the 2nd puter and burner, ran md5sum on it, and got a perfect match to the MD5SUM file content I downloaded for it.

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For anyone who might be able to tell if there's anything I might do differently to succeed, I used the network and captured a y2logs set: http://fm.no-ip.com/tmp/SUSE/YaST2/y2logsppc.tgz -- "Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to become angry." James 1:19 NIV

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Carlos E. R.

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OpenSUSE, there's a media check in Yast.

Is that different in function from the (successful) md5sum I ran from shell prompt (and wrote about in what you quoted below)?

I understood you ran md5sum on the downloaded iso file, but not on the burned media, on which you used the autotest. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkAhOcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XGfgCgmCQ3yclM7D1+nF9gUFASBrXv yLwAoJdf6v7VaCj6meNuW7XrThlu4BGo =qSYd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

24 Oct 24 Oct

04:18

On 2008/10/23 16:06 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

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OpenSUSE, there's a media check in Yast.

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Is that different in function from the (successful) md5sum I ran from shell prompt (and wrote about in what you quoted below)?

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I understood you ran md5sum on the downloaded iso file, but not on the burned media, on which you used the autotest.

Originally I only did md5sum on the downloaded isos. After I got the exact same failure of self checksum check from 3 different isos burned to 4 different disks, I did a md5sum on one of the burned disks, which passed. -- "Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to become angry." James 1:19 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

19:52

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I understood you ran md5sum on the downloaded iso file, but not on the burned media, on which you used the autotest.

Originally I only did md5sum on the downloaded isos. After I got the exact same failure of self checksum check from 3 different isos burned to 4 different disks, I did a md5sum on one of the burned disks, which passed.

Just now I burned factory's beta3. K3b said "failed". I wasn't sure, so I double checked: cer@nimrodel:~> time nice cmp --bytes=$(wc -c < \ openSUSE-11.1-Beta3-DVD-i386.iso) /dev/hdc \ openSUSE-11.1-Beta3-DVD-i386.iso /dev/hdc Grande/distros/openSUSE-11.1-Beta3-DVD-i386.iso differ: byte 1974566913, line 8004714 real 14m34.952s user 0m25.786s sys 2m10.812s So it is true, bad burn. The trick above is the byte count, md5sum can fail because of that. I suspect the media, my burner fails with Memorex. I'll try Verbatim now, which is the brand I normally use. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkCJ3IACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WUhwCfTPT+U9FKHA5kaaSilxCE/AIA 4W4AnAp070yBI9OUU9+a2n5bh72RvINs =mBHn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Larry Stotler

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Just now I burned factory's beta3. K3b said "failed". I wasn't sure, so I double checked: So it is true, bad burn. The trick above is the byte count, md5sum can fail because of that. I suspect the media, my burner fails with Memorex. I'll try Verbatim now, which is the brand I normally use.

I've had some problems with HP media recently. Almost a whole 50 pack was bad, and then a few in the next one. Oh well. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

26 Oct 26 Oct

22:41

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Just now I burned factory's beta3. K3b said "failed". I wasn't sure, so I double checked: So it is true, bad burn. The trick above is the byte count, md5sum can fail because of that. I suspect the media, my burner fails with Memorex. I'll try Verbatim now, which is the brand I normally use.

I've had some problems with HP media recently. Almost a whole 50 pack was bad, and then a few in the next one. Oh well.

Have a look here: http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm The failed one is listed there as second class (RITEK??something). The one that worked is marked first class. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkE8jQACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WVTgCfYM7u20HP5PYCfWE3dGILW9WM Ic0AnRoxMtDmhdq1/2Yj4EaSzPteG4kA =xje2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott

23 Oct 23 Oct

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Felix Miata wrote:

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Exactly what running system? I have only one Mac, and it has no functional operating system yet installed.

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Do you not have another Linux system available? Any of them should be

You mean besides what I wrote about in what you quoted below?

When I read that, I thought you were referring to the ISO file, not the disk. However, since you've verified the disk integrity and Fedora also fails, that would make me suspect that Mac, as if there was a generic problem with that image, someone else would have mentioned it. Does that computer still boot Mac OS? If so, can you run an md5sum check on the disks, using that computer? -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

24 Oct 24 Oct

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On 2008/10/23 11:01 (GMT-0400) James Knott composed:

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When I read that, I thought you were referring to the ISO file, not the disk. However, since you've verified the disk integrity and Fedora also fails, that would make me suspect that Mac, as if there was a generic problem with that image, someone else would have mentioned it. Does that computer still boot Mac OS? If so, can you run an md5sum check on the disks, using that computer?

I corrupted the Tiger partition by refusing to stay up all night waiting for forced post-update disk optimization and pulling the plug to goto bed after the updater refused to allow the machine to shut down. Tiger won't finish a boot any more, so I need to reinstall it if I can figure out how to get SUSE to burn a Mac .dmg file to CD properly. It was all the preceeding BS that caused me to proceed to try to install SUSE on the G4 in the first place. I did get the 10.3 mini to install and work apparently OK other than corrupted tty[2-6] and inability to reach tty[1-6] after X is started. I have a borrowed HD with 9.2, and it boots and runs fine AFAICT, but I can't seem to find more than a token amount of apps, those in the recently run folder. I have no idea if it might be able to run md5 or anything not in 9.2's recent folder. -- "Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to become angry." James 1:19 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Luciano Mannucci

23 Oct 23 Oct

08:56

On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:05:22 -0400 James Knott wrote:

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Even with the mini CDs, the test applet reports that the _DVD_ is broken, having failed the checksum. With the DVD, I tried both DVD as source, and HTTP as source, and with the -NET, HTTP as source, and all failed in exactly the same place. I find it really hard to believe the media could really result in the identical problem each time after so many different tries and medias.

Try the media test in a running system and see what happens. Do you know the media is OK? Perhaps you got a bad batch. What about the burner? And the reader on the G4? Mine is broken. I'm running suse 11.0 (very happily :) on this very G4. I had to install from an USB external DVD (a bit slow, but waiting a bit may be worth it :).

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Felix Miata

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On 2008/10/23 10:56 (GMT+0200) Luciano Mannucci composed:

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Even with the mini CDs, the test applet reports that the _DVD_ is broken, having failed the checksum. With the DVD, I tried both DVD as source, and HTTP as source, and with the -NET, HTTP as source, and all failed in exactly the same place. I find it really hard to believe the media could really result in the identical problem each time after so many different tries and medias.

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Try the media test in a running system and see what happens. Do you know the media is OK? Perhaps you got a bad batch. What about the burner?

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And the reader on the G4?

The one used for all attempts up until a few minutes ago, manufactured January 2008, Sony NEC Optiarc DDU1615 DVD readonly. Changing to a 24X Matshita readonly CR-585 changed nothing whatsoever - YaST dies at at exactly the same place as every other attempt, with every media burned.

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Mine is broken. I'm running suse 11.0 (very happily :) on this very G4. I had to install from an USB external DVD (a bit slow, but waiting a bit may be worth it :).

USB 1.1 would be painfully slow. You must be very patient. I have no USB anything to hold anything bigger than a 3.5" device, no firewire anything, and no SCSI cables or adapters that can match my available SCSI devices to the connectors on the Mac's SCSI HBA. Oh, and I also tried installing Fedora 9 via HTTP. It managed to create and format partitions before its (text mode) installer bailed. I would try 11.1 beta 3 ppc if only I could find an iso for it. -- "Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to become angry." James 1:19 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Larry Stotler

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The one used for all attempts up until a few minutes ago, manufactured January 2008, Sony NEC Optiarc DDU1615 DVD readonly. Changing to a 24X Matshita readonly CR-585 changed nothing whatsoever - YaST dies at at exactly the same place as every other attempt, with every media burned.

Hey Felix, what type of RAM do you have in that G4? Macs can be VERY picky about the RAM, and for some reason, Linix is even more picky. I've had MacOS run certain RAM just fine, and then have Linux segfault on the same RAM. Can you put the RAM in a different machine and test it and try different RAM in the G4. Also, which G4 do you have? There are many different versions: Sawtooth, Mirror Drive Door, Gigabit, etc. If you are not sure, look here for help: http://lowendmac.com/ppc/index.shtml

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Oh, and I also tried installing Fedora 9 via HTTP. It managed to create and format partitions before its (text mode) installer bailed. I would try 11.1 beta 3 ppc if only I could find an iso for it.

That right there leads me to think you may have a hardware issue. I had a bad time with installing 10.0 because it would fail on all my disks for rpm failures, and it wasn't the media. It ended up being hardware, but I can't remember what exactly was the problem now. It was also on a PM 9600, which is older than your Mac. Is your CPU Stock, or is it an upgrade? Some upgrades came overclocked. Also, you might want to try the 10.2 install cds from here: http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/opensuse/distribution/10.2/iso/cd/ The mini cd is 88MB. That would be a good test. 10.2 was a good solid version anyway, but it is being dropped from support tho..... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

24 Oct 24 Oct

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On 2008/10/23 09:40 (GMT-0400) Larry Stotler composed:

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The one used for all attempts up until a few minutes ago, manufactured January 2008, Sony NEC Optiarc DDU1615 DVD readonly. Changing to a 24X Matshita readonly CR-585 changed nothing whatsoever - YaST dies at at exactly the same place as every other attempt, with every media burned.

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Hey Felix, what type of RAM do you have in that G4?

4 different kinds. :-) I started with 3 sticks of 16 chip PC100 128M and 1 of 8 chip PC100 64M. I figured out it didn't like one of the 128s, and put another in. Later I pulled the 64 and put in an 8 chip 256M PC133. So now it has 640M total.

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Macs can be VERY picky about the RAM, and for some reason, Linix is even more picky. I've had MacOS run certain RAM just fine, and then have Linux segfault on the same RAM. Can you put the RAM in a different machine and test it and try different RAM in the G4.

Not another Mac. I only have the one. I doubt trying it in something else that isn't picky would prove anything. And, I'm not going to pull RAM out of other machines to try, or try putting in other 64M or 32M sticks, which is all I have other than another 8 chip 256 I tried that doesn't work in it at all.

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Also, which G4 do you have?

Seems to be a Workgroup Server G4 (M7834LL/A). Sticker on back says: EMC#1810 (serial) 400MHz/1M Cache/256M SDRAM/10GB U2 LVD HD/DVD-ROM/KB It has internal 68 pin/external micro 50(?) pin LSI 896 chip SCSI, room for 5 internal HD (though I doubt the 170W PS would handle everything if all HD locations were filled) & Rage 128 Pro AGP.

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There are many different versions: Sawtooth, Mirror Drive Door, Gigabit, etc. If you are not sure, look here for help:

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http://lowendmac.com/ppc/index.shtml

The 7834 doesn't seem to exist there.

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Oh, and I also tried installing Fedora 9 via HTTP. It managed to create and format partitions before its (text mode) installer bailed. I would try 11.1 beta 3 ppc if only I could find an iso for it.

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That right there leads me to think you may have a hardware issue. I had a bad time with installing 10.0 because it would fail on all my disks for rpm failures, and it wasn't the media. It ended up being hardware, but I can't remember what exactly was the problem now. It was also on a PM 9600, which is older than your Mac.

As I wrote in reply to Carlos a bit ago, I got 10.3 to install, so the problem must be some incompatibility with that machine and 11.0, and/or whatever the y2logs say, or a bug in the 11.0 isos.

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Is your CPU Stock, or is it an upgrade? Some upgrades came overclocked.

AFAIK, it's running on the original, but I looked at the 800 upgrade link you posted Monday and might go for it if I can satisfy myself the box is sound. -- "Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to become angry." James 1:19 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Larry Stotler

13:09

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

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4 different kinds. :-) I started with 3 sticks of 16 chip PC100 128M and 1 of 8 chip PC100 64M. I figured out it didn't like one of the 128s, and put another in. Later I pulled the 64 and put in an 8 chip 256M PC133. So now it has 640M total. Not another Mac. I only have the one. I doubt trying it in something else that isn't picky would prove anything. And, I'm not going to pull RAM out of other machines to try, or try putting in other 64M or 32M sticks, which is all I have other than another 8 chip 256 I tried that doesn't work in it at all.

The different types of RAM could be the problem. I would try to just use 2 of the 128MB chips and see what happens. You should be able to install with 256MB no problem. I was able to on a few systems.

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Seems to be a Workgroup Server G4 (M7834LL/A). Sticker on back says: The 7834 doesn't seem to exist there.

Yeah, those servers were just the standard models with a little more stuff in them. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workgroup_Server Since yours is a 400Mhz, it could be 1 of 3 models. The Yikes! ZIF Model(Doubt it), the Sawtooth or the Gigabit ethernet. You should be able to tell by doing an lspci and seeing what type of chip it has.

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As I wrote in reply to Carlos a bit ago, I got 10.3 to install, so the problem must be some incompatibility with that machine and 11.0, and/or whatever the y2logs say, or a bug in the 11.0 isos.

I have a Sawtooth(G4/400) and a Digital Audio(G4/533) version of the G4 that I am hoping to get up and running with Linux soon. However, I doubt it will be this weekend. I have a Blue & White G3(G3/400/1GB) that I will probably be putting Linux on this weekend.

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AFAIK, it's running on the original, but I looked at the 800 upgrade link you posted Monday and might go for it if I can satisfy myself the box is sound.

I'm tempted as well. These G4 Macs can be upgraded all the way to a 2Ghz single or 1.8Ghz dual processor. The 100Mhz FSB versions probably aren't worth too much, but the 133's wouldn't be too bad. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Luciano Mannucci

23 Oct 23 Oct

16:01

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:02:14 -0400 Felix Miata wrote:

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And the reader on the G4?

The one used for all attempts up until a few minutes ago, manufactured January 2008, Sony NEC Optiarc DDU1615 DVD readonly. Changing to a 24X Matshita readonly CR-585 changed nothing whatsoever - YaST dies at at exactly the same place as every other attempt, with every media burned. ...hmmm you may be short of ram. I have 1Gig on my PPC G4...

Larry Stotler

16:59

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Luciano Mannucci wrote:

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you may be short of ram. I have 1Gig on my PPC G4...

I was running openSUSE 11.0 on my Wallstreet with 384MB RAM. I only have 256MB in Thinkpad A22p(has a bad RAM slot). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

24 Oct 24 Oct

04:48

On 2008/10/23 18:01 (GMT+0200) Luciano Mannucci composed:

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On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:02:14 -0400 Felix Miata wrote:

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The one used for all attempts up until a few minutes ago, manufactured January 2008, Sony NEC Optiarc DDU1615 DVD readonly. Changing to a 24X Matshita readonly CR-585 changed nothing whatsoever - YaST dies at at exactly the same place as every other attempt, with every media burned.

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...hmmm you may be short of ram. I have 1Gig on my PPC G4...

I got 10.3 installed using 640M, but was unable to get 11.0 past that same failure using that much RAM instead of the 384M I had been using. I'm also unable to locate any 11.0 system requirements statement saying anything other than 256M minimum/512M recommended. x86 vs. ppc apparently doesn't matter. -- "Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to become angry." James 1:19 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Luciano Mannucci

11:42

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:48:01 -0400 Felix Miata wrote:

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I got 10.3 installed using 640M, but was unable to get 11.0 past that same failure using that much RAM instead of the 384M I had been using. I'm also unable to locate any 11.0 system requirements statement saying anything other than 256M minimum/512M recommended. x86 vs. ppc apparently doesn't matter. Well. I have PC bearing the same problem. It's a very old PII with an odd motherboard I was recicling as a router. The symptoms where moreless the same as yours. It now runs with 10.3. I remember I went a bit further by messing up with the hard disk drivers, though I didn't manage to hava a booting machine so I gave up. I think 11.0 has some problems with old hardware...

Carlos E. R.

23 Oct 23 Oct

01:26

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On 2008/10/23 01:10 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

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As media check failed, your copy of the DVD is bad, thus you should not even have tried the install.

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Get a DVD that passes the test.

How many would you burn before you take the position that either the G4 Mac is what is broken in some way, or the test program or installation program on the media is broken? I've now tried 3 different isos (10.3-GM-ppc-mini.iso, 11.0-DVD-ppc.iso & 11.0-NET-ppc.iso), all having passed the md5sum test prior to burn, all burned at half or less of the writer's maximum speed capability, the latter burned directly with wodim directly instead of via K3B, all on a writer that's never before produced any bad burn that I'm aware of.

But it is producing bad burns now, for whatever reasons. You can not sucessfully install such a disk.

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Even with the mini CDs, the test applet reports that the _DVD_ is broken, having failed the checksum. With the DVD, I tried both DVD as source, and HTTP as source, and with the -NET, HTTP as source, and all failed in exactly the same place. I find it really hard to believe the media could really result in the identical problem each time after so many different tries and medias.

Check the checksum of the burned DVD using "md5sum" directly, or using k3b. If it doesn't match the published md5sum, you can not install that DVD. Try burning it on another computer. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkj/0skACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U/6ACeOdhQXtc8sliof4dKnPH29/3a 8hEAnRQMwBVOQTyqewpHsEUpeLEjBdaK =gLZh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

24 Oct 24 Oct

03:10

On 2008/10/23 03:26 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

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But it is producing bad burns now, for whatever reasons. You can not sucessfully install such a disk.

I just did. Obviously it isn't really bad. A md5sum on the disk in another machine proved the self test checksum is bogus. However, the one I got to install was the first ppc iso I burned, the 10.3 ppc-mini that failed the self test checksum both times I tried it. I did first boost RAM up to 640M from 384M. When I got done with 10.3, I swapped the HD (for a larger one) and tried one more time with the full 11.0 DVD and the extra RAM, but got the exact same error at the exact same place as when using the two NET-ppc discs I burned. -- "Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to become angry." James 1:19 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

21:45

New subject: [opensuse] PPC - too many ways to fail [-1]

On 2008/10/22 18:49 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed:

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Months ago I burned a 10.3 ppc boot.iso. Today I tried it on a G4 w/ 384M of RAM, starting with the self check of the media, and it failed. Afterward I downloaded the whole 11.0 DVD iso, checked the md5sum, then burned it on 10.2 using K3B. Media self check failed on it too. After trying to use it anyway several times, always crashing YaST2 at the end of package detailed selection, I tried just using it to start a network install. That too crashed at the end of package selection. So I tried to capture the y2logs, but that too fails. 'ls -l /sbin/sa*' gives me "/sbin/save_y2logs: No such file or directory", a totally absurd command response. I can see save_y2logs lives in /mounts/mp_0001/sbin. Why can't it work? Why don't 'ls -rt' or 'ls -alrt' work, while 'ls -l' does? Has anyone ever gotten 11.0 ppc to install?

I appreciate the many attempts in this thread to help me with this. As it turns out, all help was useful no more than indirectly, by keeping me motivated and thinking. The defect is obviously in some component of the 11.0 installation program. I got it to HTTP install from the "bad" DVD by doing everything the same as previously reported except for one thing: By doing all partitioning and formatting prior to letting the YaST2 GUI installation take over (before accepting the license agreement), everything went smoothly, just like a normal i386 installation. I did the partitioning with pdisk by using the 10.3 install on the original target HD as a map to what partitions are required, then the command line mkfs.ext3, mkswap & tune2fs tools. I've rebooted subsequent to the first boot and configuration cleanup. It's now in the middle of online updating, just like on a P4. :-) This is the error messages onscreen after the last failed attempt: *** Starting YaST2 *** error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2) terminate called after throwing an instance of 'zypp: Exception' what (): Cannot open file /etc/zypp/locks YaST got signal 6 at YCP /mounts/MP_0001/usr/share/YaST2/clients/inst_packages.ycp:49 /usr/lib/YaST2/startup/YaST2.call: line 480: 2459 Aborted (core dumped) $OPT_FBITERM y2base "$Y2_MODULE_NAME" $Y2_MODE_FLAGS $Y2_MODULE_ARGS &Y2_UI_ARGS *** An error occurred during the installation *** This is the error messages from media self test of the DVD, similar to that of the mini CDs, in reporting _DVD_ failure:

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5 openSUSE-DVD-11.0, 100% *** Checksum wrong. This DVD is broken.

Main Menu I have y2logs, hwinfo, & other data saved if some dev thinks this should be pursued as a new bug in 11.1B3/Factory, which is what I would have installed if there was any media to start an install from. -- "Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to become angry." James 1:19 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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