[opensuse] is ubuntu better than opensuse 15.1?
Hi, unfortunately quite working 42.3 had to be replaced with 15.1 due to end of security updates which are important to me. Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously. Problem is, that this is my working computer and since two days I simply cannot work with it. I know that Opensuse cuts functionality in each release since 13.x, but I didn't imagine that it simply would stop being usable at all. Now I have two possibilities: - buy another graphics card that will maybe work a year or two until OpenSuse decides to stop working with it, too. - install another operating system. Both possibilities are complicated. I am with openSuse since 20 years, and it has always bettered until the regression started from 13.x. I'd have to learn a new system. Windows is excluded, as it makes me sick. So could be ubuntu? A new graphics card is expensive (I need quite a lot of power). Also I don't have any idea which one. One that fulfills my needs on one side, and that is supported by OpenSuse which I think is not really made anymore for a graphic desktop, more for a pure console computer, server or the like. What do you recommend? Give it a try with ubuntu? Buy another graphics card? Which? -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [08-14-19 08:32]:
Hi,
unfortunately quite working 42.3 had to be replaced with 15.1 due to end of security updates which are important to me.
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
what driver are you using and from rpm or NV...run?
Problem is, that this is my working computer and since two days I simply cannot work with it.
I know that Opensuse cuts functionality in each release since 13.x, but I didn't imagine that it simply would stop being usable at all.
baseless, unwarranted and inflammatory statement
Now I have two possibilities: - buy another graphics card that will maybe work a year or two until OpenSuse decides to stop working with it, too. - install another operating system.
Both possibilities are complicated. I am with openSuse since 20 years, and it has always bettered until the regression started from 13.x. I'd have to learn a new system. Windows is excluded, as it makes me sick. So could be ubuntu?
and again! -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 14.08.19 um 14:41 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [08-14-19 08:32]:
Hi,
unfortunately quite working 42.3 had to be replaced with 15.1 due to end of security updates which are important to me.
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
what driver are you using and from rpm or NV...run?
From the opensuse rpm repositories.
Problem is, that this is my working computer and since two days I simply cannot work with it.
I know that Opensuse cuts functionality in each release since 13.x, but I didn't imagine that it simply would stop being usable at all.
baseless, unwarranted and inflammatory statement
Well, my laptop worked perfect with 13.x using intel/nvidia optimus. Since 42 I couldn't use the nvidia part anymore and lost all power of the Nvidia card that was in the laptop for nothing. My desktop computer worked well with that Nvidia card with 42.3, and doesn't anymore with 15.1
Now I have two possibilities: - buy another graphics card that will maybe work a year or two until OpenSuse decides to stop working with it, too. - install another operating system.
Both possibilities are complicated. I am with openSuse since 20 years, and it has always bettered until the regression started from 13.x. I'd have to learn a new system. Windows is excluded, as it makes me sick. So could be ubuntu?
and again!
Well yes, I am heavily frustrated. It is not that I use a very exotic graphics card... -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [08-14-19 08:53]:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:41 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [08-14-19 08:32]:
Hi,
unfortunately quite working 42.3 had to be replaced with 15.1 due to end of security updates which are important to me.
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
what driver are you using and from rpm or NV...run?
From the opensuse rpm repositories.
and what driver is that? ie: I am using the video card I got from a vendor. does that tell you what card it is?
Problem is, that this is my working computer and since two days I simply cannot work with it.
I know that Opensuse cuts functionality in each release since 13.x, but I didn't imagine that it simply would stop being usable at all.
baseless, unwarranted and inflammatory statement
Well, my laptop worked perfect with 13.x using intel/nvidia optimus. Since 42 I couldn't use the nvidia part anymore and lost all power of the Nvidia card that was in the laptop for nothing.
My desktop computer worked well with that Nvidia card with 42.3, and doesn't anymore with 15.1
Now I have two possibilities: - buy another graphics card that will maybe work a year or two until OpenSuse decides to stop working with it, too. - install another operating system.
Both possibilities are complicated. I am with openSuse since 20 years, and it has always bettered until the regression started from 13.x. I'd have to learn a new system. Windows is excluded, as it makes me sick. So could be ubuntu?
and again!
Well yes, I am heavily frustrated. It is not that I use a very exotic graphics card...
so you vent your frustration upon the people you want to help you? a good plan. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 14.08.19 um 14:58 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [08-14-19 08:53]:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:41 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [08-14-19 08:32]:
Hi,
unfortunately quite working 42.3 had to be replaced with 15.1 due to end of security updates which are important to me.
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
what driver are you using and from rpm or NV...run?
From the opensuse rpm repositories.
and what driver is that? ie: I am using the video card I got from a vendor. does that tell you what card it is?
It was in the second paragraph/phrase of my original post: its a Nvidia GeForce GTX 460 card. complete hwinfo: 44: PCI 300.0: 0300 VGA compatible controller (VGA) [Created at pci.386] Unique ID: svHJ.2V+kARkYA87 Parent ID: M71A.cvQHSnEzxlB SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.0/0000:03:00.0 SysFS BusID: 0000:03:00.0 Hardware Class: graphics card Model: "nVidia GF104 [GeForce GTX 460]" Vendor: pci 0x10de "nVidia Corporation" Device: pci 0x0e22 "GF104 [GeForce GTX 460]" SubVendor: pci 0x1043 "ASUSTeK Computer Inc." SubDevice: pci 0x835e Revision: 0xa1 Driver: "nvidia" Driver Modules: "nvidia" Memory Range: 0xf6000000-0xf7ffffff (rw,non-prefetchable) Memory Range: 0xe0000000-0xe7ffffff (ro,non-prefetchable) Memory Range: 0xec000000-0xefffffff (ro,non-prefetchable) I/O Ports: 0xbf00-0xbf7f (rw) Memory Range: 0x000c0000-0x000dffff (rw,non-prefetchable,disabled) IRQ: 35 (10498 events) I/O Ports: 0x3c0-0x3df (rw) Module Alias: "pci:v000010DEd00000E22sv00001043sd0000835Ebc03sc00i00" Driver Info #0: Driver Status: nouveau is not active Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe nouveau" Driver Info #1: Driver Status: nvidia_drm is active Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe nvidia_drm" Driver Info #2: Driver Status: nvidia is active Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe nvidia" Config Status: cfg=no, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown Attached to: #65 (PCI bridge) Primary display adapter: #44 according to rpm I have installed: rpm -qa \*nvidia\* nvidia-gfxG04-kmp-default-390.116_k4.12.14_lp151.27-lp151.10.1.x86_64 nvidia-glG04-390.116-lp151.10.1.x86_64 x11-video-nvidiaG04-390.116-lp151.10.1.x86_64 nvidia-computeG04-390.116-lp151.10.1.x86_64 it is a desktop system with /only/ nvidia card, no optimus etc. i7, 24GB mem
and again!
Well yes, I am heavily frustrated. It is not that I use a very exotic graphics card...
so you vent your frustration upon the people you want to help you?
a good plan.
Ok, bad plan, then. 15.1-plan? ;-) Still don't know what do do. -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2019/08/14 17:55:04 +0200, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:58 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [08-14-19 08:53]:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:41 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [08-14-19 08:32]:
Hi,
unfortunately quite working 42.3 had to be replaced with 15.1 due to end of security updates which are important to me.
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
what driver are you using and from rpm or NV...run?
From the opensuse rpm repositories.
and what driver is that? ie: I am using the video card I got from a vendor. does that tell you what card it is?
It was in the second paragraph/phrase of my original post: its a Nvidia GeForce GTX 460 card.
complete hwinfo:
44: PCI 300.0: 0300 VGA compatible controller (VGA) [Created at pci.386] Unique ID: svHJ.2V+kARkYA87 Parent ID: M71A.cvQHSnEzxlB SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.0/0000:03:00.0 SysFS BusID: 0000:03:00.0 Hardware Class: graphics card Model: "nVidia GF104 [GeForce GTX 460]" Vendor: pci 0x10de "nVidia Corporation" Device: pci 0x0e22 "GF104 [GeForce GTX 460]" SubVendor: pci 0x1043 "ASUSTeK Computer Inc." SubDevice: pci 0x835e Revision: 0xa1 Driver: "nvidia" Driver Modules: "nvidia" Memory Range: 0xf6000000-0xf7ffffff (rw,non-prefetchable) Memory Range: 0xe0000000-0xe7ffffff (ro,non-prefetchable) Memory Range: 0xec000000-0xefffffff (ro,non-prefetchable) I/O Ports: 0xbf00-0xbf7f (rw) Memory Range: 0x000c0000-0x000dffff (rw,non-prefetchable,disabled) IRQ: 35 (10498 events) I/O Ports: 0x3c0-0x3df (rw) Module Alias: "pci:v000010DEd00000E22sv00001043sd0000835Ebc03sc00i00" Driver Info #0: Driver Status: nouveau is not active Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe nouveau" Driver Info #1: Driver Status: nvidia_drm is active Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe nvidia_drm" Driver Info #2: Driver Status: nvidia is active Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe nvidia" Config Status: cfg=no, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown Attached to: #65 (PCI bridge)
Primary display adapter: #44
according to rpm I have installed:
rpm -qa \*nvidia\* nvidia-gfxG04-kmp-default-390.116_k4.12.14_lp151.27-lp151.10.1.x86_64 nvidia-glG04-390.116-lp151.10.1.x86_64 x11-video-nvidiaG04-390.116-lp151.10.1.x86_64 nvidia-computeG04-390.116-lp151.10.1.x86_64
That should be support your GeForce GTX 460 grep -rs 460 /usr/share/doc/packages/x11-video-nvidiaG04/html/supportedchips.html <td>GeForce GTX 460M</td> <td>GeForce GTX 460</td> <td>GeForce GTX 460 SE</td> <td>GeForce GTX 460</td> <td>GeForce GTX 460 SE v2</td> <td>GeForce GTX 460 v2</td> <td>Quadro FX 4600</td> <td>GeForce4 MX 460</td> <td>GeForce4 460 Go</td> <td>GeForce4 Ti 4600</td> For your desktop it might help to see the kernel's messages about the nvidia device/module dmesg -T | grep -iE 'nvidia|gpu'
it is a desktop system with /only/ nvidia card, no optimus etc. i7, 24GB mem
For your laptop see my local config 99-local.conf which is currently used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ for my Intel/Nvidia hybrid GPU Werner -- "Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool." -- Edward Burr
On 14/08/2019 17.55, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:58 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* Daniel Bauer <> [08-14-19 08:53]:
and what driver is that? ie: I am using the video card I got from a vendor. does that tell you what card it is?
It was in the second paragraph/phrase of my original post: its a Nvidia GeForce GTX 460 card.
Do you have graphic problems on the desktop? Or are they Plasma problems? Because I did not know you had driver problems on the desktop machine, only on the laptop. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [08-14-19 11:58]:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:58 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [08-14-19 08:53]:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:41 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [08-14-19 08:32]:
Hi,
unfortunately quite working 42.3 had to be replaced with 15.1 due to end of security updates which are important to me.
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
what driver are you using and from rpm or NV...run?
From the opensuse rpm repositories.
and what driver is that? ie: I am using the video card I got from a vendor. does that tell you what card it is?
It was in the second paragraph/phrase of my original post: its a Nvidia GeForce GTX 460 card.
complete hwinfo:
44: PCI 300.0: 0300 VGA compatible controller (VGA) [Created at pci.386] Unique ID: svHJ.2V+kARkYA87 Parent ID: M71A.cvQHSnEzxlB SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.0/0000:03:00.0 SysFS BusID: 0000:03:00.0 Hardware Class: graphics card Model: "nVidia GF104 [GeForce GTX 460]" Vendor: pci 0x10de "nVidia Corporation" Device: pci 0x0e22 "GF104 [GeForce GTX 460]" SubVendor: pci 0x1043 "ASUSTeK Computer Inc." SubDevice: pci 0x835e Revision: 0xa1 Driver: "nvidia" Driver Modules: "nvidia" Memory Range: 0xf6000000-0xf7ffffff (rw,non-prefetchable) Memory Range: 0xe0000000-0xe7ffffff (ro,non-prefetchable) Memory Range: 0xec000000-0xefffffff (ro,non-prefetchable) I/O Ports: 0xbf00-0xbf7f (rw) Memory Range: 0x000c0000-0x000dffff (rw,non-prefetchable,disabled) IRQ: 35 (10498 events) I/O Ports: 0x3c0-0x3df (rw) Module Alias: "pci:v000010DEd00000E22sv00001043sd0000835Ebc03sc00i00" Driver Info #0: Driver Status: nouveau is not active Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe nouveau" Driver Info #1: Driver Status: nvidia_drm is active Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe nvidia_drm" Driver Info #2: Driver Status: nvidia is active Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe nvidia" Config Status: cfg=no, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown Attached to: #65 (PCI bridge)
Primary display adapter: #44
according to rpm I have installed:
rpm -qa \*nvidia\* nvidia-gfxG04-kmp-default-390.116_k4.12.14_lp151.27-lp151.10.1.x86_64 nvidia-glG04-390.116-lp151.10.1.x86_64 x11-video-nvidiaG04-390.116-lp151.10.1.x86_64 nvidia-computeG04-390.116-lp151.10.1.x86_64
zypper -v in --force `rpm -qa *nvidia*` fwiw, I have a GT450 and NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-390.116-custom.run zypper se -si nvidia yields nil but Tw and no graphics probs and work many thoushands of raw photos (D70, D200, D7100, D7200, D3, D500, D850) each year (using darktable). -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> [01-01-70 12:34]:
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [08-14-19 11:58]:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:58 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [08-14-19 08:53]:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:41 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [08-14-19 08:32]:
Hi,
unfortunately quite working 42.3 had to be replaced with 15.1 due to end of security updates which are important to me.
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
what driver are you using and from rpm or NV...run?
From the opensuse rpm repositories.
and what driver is that? ie: I am using the video card I got from a vendor. does that tell you what card it is?
It was in the second paragraph/phrase of my original post: its a Nvidia GeForce GTX 460 card.
complete hwinfo:
44: PCI 300.0: 0300 VGA compatible controller (VGA) [Created at pci.386] Unique ID: svHJ.2V+kARkYA87 Parent ID: M71A.cvQHSnEzxlB SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:07.0/0000:03:00.0 SysFS BusID: 0000:03:00.0 Hardware Class: graphics card Model: "nVidia GF104 [GeForce GTX 460]" Vendor: pci 0x10de "nVidia Corporation" Device: pci 0x0e22 "GF104 [GeForce GTX 460]" SubVendor: pci 0x1043 "ASUSTeK Computer Inc." SubDevice: pci 0x835e Revision: 0xa1 Driver: "nvidia" Driver Modules: "nvidia" Memory Range: 0xf6000000-0xf7ffffff (rw,non-prefetchable) Memory Range: 0xe0000000-0xe7ffffff (ro,non-prefetchable) Memory Range: 0xec000000-0xefffffff (ro,non-prefetchable) I/O Ports: 0xbf00-0xbf7f (rw) Memory Range: 0x000c0000-0x000dffff (rw,non-prefetchable,disabled) IRQ: 35 (10498 events) I/O Ports: 0x3c0-0x3df (rw) Module Alias: "pci:v000010DEd00000E22sv00001043sd0000835Ebc03sc00i00" Driver Info #0: Driver Status: nouveau is not active Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe nouveau" Driver Info #1: Driver Status: nvidia_drm is active Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe nvidia_drm" Driver Info #2: Driver Status: nvidia is active Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe nvidia" Config Status: cfg=no, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown Attached to: #65 (PCI bridge)
Primary display adapter: #44
according to rpm I have installed:
rpm -qa \*nvidia\* nvidia-gfxG04-kmp-default-390.116_k4.12.14_lp151.27-lp151.10.1.x86_64 nvidia-glG04-390.116-lp151.10.1.x86_64 x11-video-nvidiaG04-390.116-lp151.10.1.x86_64 nvidia-computeG04-390.116-lp151.10.1.x86_64
zypper -v in --force `rpm -qa *nvidia*`
fwiw, I have a GT450 and NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-390.116-custom.run
zypper se -si nvidia yields nil
but Tw and no graphics probs and work many thoushands of raw photos (D70, D200, D7100, D7200, D3, D500, D850) each year (using darktable).
btw: there is a fairly new NVidia driver which works for your GTX 460, NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-390.129.run it also works for my card. I installed it earlier today and have seen no adverse effects. you might try it. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/8/19 12:47 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote: [pruned]
btw: there is a fairly new NVidia driver which works for your GTX 460, NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-390.129.run it also works for my card. I installed it earlier today and have seen no adverse effects. you might try it.
Did you mean '...390.1290.run' and not '...390.129.run'? And BTW, the latest legacy driver for both your 450 and Daniel's 460 is '...390.87.run' released 27 August. BC -- a yer eggo i kudnt spel progrmer butt naw i ar won! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> [08-16-19 21:34]:
On 15/8/19 12:47 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
[pruned]
btw: there is a fairly new NVidia driver which works for your GTX 460, NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-390.129.run it also works for my card. I installed it earlier today and have seen no adverse effects. you might try it.
Did you mean '...390.1290.run' and not '...390.129.run'?
I believe I provided NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-390.129.run and no, I did not mean 390.1290.run
And BTW, the latest legacy driver for both your 450 and Daniel's 460 is '...390.87.run' released 27 August.
guess maybe you should look again, http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/390.129/ and it was released 23 July 2019 and supports: GeForce 400 Series: GeForce GTX 480, GeForce GTX 470, GeForce GTX 465, GeForce GTX 460 SE v2, GeForce GTX 460 SE, GeForce GTX 460, GeForce GTS 450, GeForce GT 440, GeForce GT 430, GeForce GT 420 but I could be mistaken. or not. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/8/19 12:43 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> [08-16-19 21:34]:
On 15/8/19 12:47 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
[pruned]
btw: there is a fairly new NVidia driver which works for your GTX 460, NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-390.129.run it also works for my card. I installed it earlier today and have seen no adverse effects. you might try it.
Did you mean '...390.1290.run' and not '...390.129.run'?
I believe I provided NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-390.129.run
and no, I did not mean 390.1290.run
Yes, I do believe that you provided 390.129 so I guess my eyesight is still OK.
And BTW, the latest legacy driver for both your 450 and Daniel's 460 is '...390.87.run' released 27 August. guess maybe you should look again, http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/390.129/
and it was released 23 July 2019
and supports:
GeForce 400 Series: GeForce GTX 480, GeForce GTX 470, GeForce GTX 465, GeForce GTX 460 SE v2, GeForce GTX 460 SE, GeForce GTX 460, GeForce GTS 450, GeForce GT 440, GeForce GT 430, GeForce GT 420
but I could be mistaken. or not.
You're not (mistaken). The problem lies in the typo on the Nvidia website where in the page 'geforce.com/drivers' (which is where I usually go re drivers) is shown- https://susepaste.org/20034975 (But for the latest driver releases for my card, GTX 1060-6GB, I go to- https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/533434/linux/current-graphics-drive... ) BC -- a yer eggo i kudnt spel progrmer butt naw i ar won! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> [08-17-19 03:23]:
On 17/8/19 12:43 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> [08-16-19 21:34]:
On 15/8/19 12:47 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
[pruned]
btw: there is a fairly new NVidia driver which works for your GTX 460, NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-390.129.run it also works for my card. I installed it earlier today and have seen no adverse effects. you might try it.
Did you mean '...390.1290.run' and not '...390.129.run'?
I believe I provided NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-390.129.run
and no, I did not mean 390.1290.run
Yes, I do believe that you provided 390.129 so I guess my eyesight is still OK.
And BTW, the latest legacy driver for both your 450 and Daniel's 460 is '...390.87.run' released 27 August. guess maybe you should look again, http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/390.129/
and it was released 23 July 2019
and supports:
GeForce 400 Series: GeForce GTX 480, GeForce GTX 470, GeForce GTX 465, GeForce GTX 460 SE v2, GeForce GTX 460 SE, GeForce GTX 460, GeForce GTS 450, GeForce GT 440, GeForce GT 430, GeForce GT 420
but I could be mistaken. or not.
You're not (mistaken). The problem lies in the typo on the Nvidia website where in the page 'geforce.com/drivers' (which is where I usually go re drivers) is shown-
https://susepaste.org/20034975
(But for the latest driver releases for my card, GTX 1060-6GB, I go to-
https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/533434/linux/current-graphics-drive... )
not part of this thread, irrelevant and offtopic. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/8/19 9:54 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> [08-17-19 03:23]:
On 17/8/19 12:43 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> [08-16-19 21:34]:
On 15/8/19 12:47 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
[pruned]
btw: there is a fairly new NVidia driver which works for your GTX 460, NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-390.129.run it also works for my card. I installed it earlier today and have seen no adverse effects. you might try it. Did you mean '...390.1290.run' and not '...390.129.run'?
I believe I provided NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-390.129.run
and no, I did not mean 390.1290.run
Yes, I do believe that you provided 390.129 so I guess my eyesight is still OK.
And BTW, the latest legacy driver for both your 450 and Daniel's 460 is '...390.87.run' released 27 August. guess maybe you should look again, http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/390.129/
and it was released 23 July 2019
and supports:
GeForce 400 Series: GeForce GTX 480, GeForce GTX 470, GeForce GTX 465, GeForce GTX 460 SE v2, GeForce GTX 460 SE, GeForce GTX 460, GeForce GTS 450, GeForce GT 440, GeForce GT 430, GeForce GT 420
but I could be mistaken. or not.
You're not (mistaken). The problem lies in the typo on the Nvidia website where in the page 'geforce.com/drivers' (which is where I usually go re drivers) is shown-
https://susepaste.org/20034975
(But for the latest driver releases for my card, GTX 1060-6GB, I go to-
https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/533434/linux/current-graphics-drive... ) not part of this thread, irrelevant and offtopic.
Yes it is part of this thread -- driver 390.129 is mentioned there under New Legacy Release (Posted 07/29/2019 10:14 PM). -- a yer eggo i kudnt spel progrmer butt naw i ar won! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/08/2019 14.48, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Well, my laptop worked perfect with 13.x using intel/nvidia optimus. Since 42 I couldn't use the nvidia part anymore and lost all power of the Nvidia card that was in the laptop for nothing.
My desktop computer worked well with that Nvidia card with 42.3, and doesn't anymore with 15.1
Ah, you also have a desktop with NVidia. We could have a go with this one, Optimus is a nightmare. What card does it have? hwinfo --gfxcard About your problems with Plasma, I would switch to Gnome (or XFCE). I don't like it, but remember that SLES goes with Gnome, doesn't ship KDE (it comes from community). It has to be for a reason. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2019/08/14 14:48:18 +0200, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:41 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [08-14-19 08:32]:
Hi,
unfortunately quite working 42.3 had to be replaced with 15.1 due to end of security updates which are important to me.
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
what driver are you using and from rpm or NV...run?
From the opensuse rpm repositories.
Problem is, that this is my working computer and since two days I simply cannot work with it.
I know that Opensuse cuts functionality in each release since 13.x, but I didn't imagine that it simply would stop being usable at all.
baseless, unwarranted and inflammatory statement
Well, my laptop worked perfect with 13.x using intel/nvidia optimus. Since 42 I couldn't use the nvidia part anymore and lost all power of the Nvidia card that was in the laptop for nothing.
My desktop computer worked well with that Nvidia card with 42.3, and doesn't anymore with 15.1
Now I have two possibilities: - buy another graphics card that will maybe work a year or two until OpenSuse decides to stop working with it, too. - install another operating system.
Both possibilities are complicated. I am with openSuse since 20 years, and it has always bettered until the regression started from 13.x. I'd have to learn a new system. Windows is excluded, as it makes me sick. So could be ubuntu?
and again!
Well yes, I am heavily frustrated. It is not that I use a very exotic graphics card...
Hmmm ... I'm also using Nvidia drivers and my Laptop had similar problems but now its up and running with a local 99-local.conf below /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ There had been some changes with hybrid cards of type Intel/Nvidia which now cause that the render is Nvidia and the output is Intel based. The speed does not differ AFAICS I'll catch my 99-local.conf at home and send to you in a PM ... but note that you have to change or remove some sections to get it work with your system. Also you have to remove the auto generated configuration below /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ that is the configuration which does not belong to any package. -- "Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool." -- Edward Burr
On 14/08/2019 14.41, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Daniel Bauer <> [08-14-19 08:32]:
Hi,
unfortunately quite working 42.3 had to be replaced with 15.1 due to end of security updates which are important to me.
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
what driver are you using and from rpm or NV...run?
Problem is, that this is my working computer and since two days I simply cannot work with it.
I know that Opensuse cuts functionality in each release since 13.x, but I didn't imagine that it simply would stop being usable at all.
baseless, unwarranted and inflammatory statement
Patrick, Daniel has been trying for years to make that laptop work with Leap. Nothing we advised has helped him. Everything failed. And it worked with 13.1. If you know how to make his Optimus laptop work, just help him. Otherwise, he has to try elsewhere. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [08-14-19 08:59]:
On 14/08/2019 14.41, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Daniel Bauer <> [08-14-19 08:32]:
Hi,
unfortunately quite working 42.3 had to be replaced with 15.1 due to end of security updates which are important to me.
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
what driver are you using and from rpm or NV...run?
Problem is, that this is my working computer and since two days I simply cannot work with it.
I know that Opensuse cuts functionality in each release since 13.x, but I didn't imagine that it simply would stop being usable at all.
baseless, unwarranted and inflammatory statement
Patrick, Daniel has been trying for years to make that laptop work with Leap. Nothing we advised has helped him. Everything failed. And it worked with 13.1. If you know how to make his Optimus laptop work, just help him. Otherwise, he has to try elsewhere.
where is it that you see laptop mentioned or any past experience other than flaming about the decline of functionality in recent openSUSE issues? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/08/2019 15.03, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [08-14-19 08:59]:
Patrick, Daniel has been trying for years to make that laptop work with Leap. Nothing we advised has helped him. Everything failed. And it worked with 13.1. If you know how to make his Optimus laptop work, just help him. Otherwise, he has to try elsewhere.
where is it that you see laptop mentioned or any past experience other than flaming about the decline of functionality in recent openSUSE issues?
I have some memory left. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [08-14-19 09:10]:
On 14/08/2019 15.03, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [08-14-19 08:59]:
Patrick, Daniel has been trying for years to make that laptop work with Leap. Nothing we advised has helped him. Everything failed. And it worked with 13.1. If you know how to make his Optimus laptop work, just help him. Otherwise, he has to try elsewhere.
where is it that you see laptop mentioned or any past experience other than flaming about the decline of functionality in recent openSUSE issues?
I have some memory left.
and mostly "assumptions" -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/08/2019 15.47, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [08-14-19 09:10]:
On 14/08/2019 15.03, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [08-14-19 08:59]:
Patrick, Daniel has been trying for years to make that laptop work with Leap. Nothing we advised has helped him. Everything failed. And it worked with 13.1. If you know how to make his Optimus laptop work, just help him. Otherwise, he has to try elsewhere.
where is it that you see laptop mentioned or any past experience other than flaming about the decline of functionality in recent openSUSE issues?
I have some memory left.
and mostly "assumptions"
Search the mail lists back some years and you will see how he asked for help several times and how he described his hardware. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [08-14-19 10:08]:
On 14/08/2019 15.47, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [08-14-19 09:10]:
On 14/08/2019 15.03, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [08-14-19 08:59]:
Patrick, Daniel has been trying for years to make that laptop work with Leap. Nothing we advised has helped him. Everything failed. And it worked with 13.1. If you know how to make his Optimus laptop work, just help him. Otherwise, he has to try elsewhere.
where is it that you see laptop mentioned or any past experience other than flaming about the decline of functionality in recent openSUSE issues?
I have some memory left.
and mostly "assumptions"
Search the mail lists back some years and you will see how he asked for help several times and how he described his hardware.
*you* are assuming he is referring to a particular machine which his post does not indicate. you are making assumptions not based on *this* thread. if he is continuing a prior conversation, he must indicate that and that is upon him, not you. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/08/2019 16.21, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [08-14-19 10:08]:
On 14/08/2019 15.47, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [08-14-19 09:10]:
On 14/08/2019 15.03, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [08-14-19 08:59]:
Patrick, Daniel has been trying for years to make that laptop work with Leap. Nothing we advised has helped him. Everything failed. And it worked with 13.1. If you know how to make his Optimus laptop work, just help him. Otherwise, he has to try elsewhere.
where is it that you see laptop mentioned or any past experience other than flaming about the decline of functionality in recent openSUSE issues?
I have some memory left.
and mostly "assumptions"
Search the mail lists back some years and you will see how he asked for help several times and how he described his hardware.
*you* are assuming he is referring to a particular machine which his post does not indicate. you are making assumptions not based on *this* thread. if he is continuing a prior conversation, he must indicate that and that is upon him, not you.
Whatever. If you wish to make that an issue, do so, instead of trying to help him. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [08-14-19 10:33]:
On 14/08/2019 16.21, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [08-14-19 10:08]:
On 14/08/2019 15.47, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [08-14-19 09:10]:
On 14/08/2019 15.03, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [08-14-19 08:59]:
> Patrick, Daniel has been trying for years to make that laptop work with > Leap. Nothing we advised has helped him. Everything failed. And it > worked with 13.1. If you know how to make his Optimus laptop work, just > help him. Otherwise, he has to try elsewhere.
where is it that you see laptop mentioned or any past experience other than flaming about the decline of functionality in recent openSUSE issues?
I have some memory left.
and mostly "assumptions"
Search the mail lists back some years and you will see how he asked for help several times and how he described his hardware.
*you* are assuming he is referring to a particular machine which his post does not indicate. you are making assumptions not based on *this* thread. if he is continuing a prior conversation, he must indicate that and that is upon him, not you.
Whatever. If you wish to make that an issue, do so, instead of trying to help him.
now you need to look thru *your* posts on this thread. you diverted the subject. let it end. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/08/2019 14.30, Daniel Bauer wrote:
What do you recommend? Give it a try with ubuntu? Buy another graphics card? Which?
Is that your laptop (with Optimus) or a desktop? If it is a desktop, you may know from the Spanish list that I'm switching to AMD CPU and graphics. Gigabyte Radeon RX 580 probably - but my needs are not like yours. If it is the laptop, I would try Ubuntu :-/ -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 14:54:42 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 14/08/2019 14.30, Daniel Bauer wrote:
What do you recommend? Give it a try with ubuntu? Buy another graphics card? Which?
Is that your laptop (with Optimus) or a desktop?
If it is a desktop, you may know from the Spanish list that I'm switching to AMD CPU and graphics. Gigabyte Radeon RX 580 probably - but my needs are not like yours.
If it is the laptop, I would try Ubuntu :-/
I would try Knoppix, specifically to try to find some combination of settings that works. Then try to reproduce those settings in the preferred distro. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2019-08-14 14:54, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 14/08/2019 14.30, Daniel Bauer wrote:
What do you recommend? Give it a try with ubuntu? Buy another graphics card? Which?
I guess it's this one. On 2018-07-17 13:03, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I have an Asus GL552V laptop, i7 6700, optimus graphics intel/nvidia running opensuse leap 42.3, KDE
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Am 14.08.19 um 14:54 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 14/08/2019 14.30, Daniel Bauer wrote:
What do you recommend? Give it a try with ubuntu? Buy another graphics card? Which?
Is that your laptop (with Optimus) or a desktop?
It's the desktop. (On the laptop I have given up long time ago)
If it is a desktop, you may know from the Spanish list that I'm switching to AMD CPU and graphics. Gigabyte Radeon RX 580 probably - but my needs are not like yours.
If it is the laptop, I would try Ubuntu :-/
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On 14/08/2019 18.06, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:54 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 14/08/2019 14.30, Daniel Bauer wrote:
What do you recommend? Give it a try with ubuntu? Buy another graphics card? Which?
Is that your laptop (with Optimus) or a desktop?
It's the desktop. (On the laptop I have given up long time ago)
Ok, then I would try with Gnome or XFCE. Just a wild shot: let's see your repository list. zypper lr --details > somefile.txt and then attach, not paste, somefile.txt to the email. File/attach/file in Thunderbird. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
here it is Am 14.08.19 um 18:47 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
zypper lr --details > somefile.txt
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On 16/08/2019 12.40, Daniel Bauer wrote:
here it is
Am 14.08.19 um 18:47 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
zypper lr --details > somefile.txt
It is absolutely right. Despite the unfamiliar (to me) names. I should have said: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 C_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 zypper etc But it is the URL which are important, so no problem. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Op woensdag 14 augustus 2019 18:06:25 CEST schreef Daniel Bauer: > Am 14.08.19 um 14:54 schrieb Carlos E. R.: > > On 14/08/2019 14.30, Daniel Bauer wrote: > >> What do you recommend? Give it a try with ubuntu? Buy another graphics > >> card? Which? > > > > Is that your laptop (with Optimus) or a desktop? > > It's the desktop. (On the laptop I have given up long time ago) > > > If it is a desktop, you may know from the Spanish list that I'm > > switching to AMD CPU and graphics. Gigabyte Radeon RX 580 probably - but > > my needs are not like yours. > > > > If it is the laptop, I would try Ubuntu :-/ Did you try creating a new user and see if the issues appear for that new user. I suspect rather a Plasma5 setting than an NVIDIA failure. A couple of things to consider: - Systemsettings - Screen and monitor - Compositor, which Backend is set for rendering? - Any older widgets involved? ( a new user should not suffer from those ) -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 14.08.19 um 18:53 schrieb Knurpht-openSUSE:
Op woensdag 14 augustus 2019 18:06:25 CEST schreef Daniel Bauer:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:54 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 14/08/2019 14.30, Daniel Bauer wrote:
What do you recommend? Give it a try with ubuntu? Buy another graphics card? Which?
Is that your laptop (with Optimus) or a desktop?
It's the desktop. (On the laptop I have given up long time ago)
If it is a desktop, you may know from the Spanish list that I'm switching to AMD CPU and graphics. Gigabyte Radeon RX 580 probably - but my needs are not like yours.
If it is the laptop, I would try Ubuntu :-/ Did you try creating a new user and see if the issues appear for that new user. I suspect rather a Plasma5 setting than an NVIDIA failure.
I made a new user. Same problems.
A couple of things to consider: - Systemsettings - Screen and monitor - Compositor, which Backend is set for rendering?
Do you mean "Ausgabemodul"? : OpenGL 2.0
- Any older widgets involved? ( a new user should not suffer from those )
At least for sure not in the new user... -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op woensdag 14 augustus 2019 20:29:02 CEST schreef Daniel Bauer:
Am 14.08.19 um 18:53 schrieb Knurpht-openSUSE:
Op woensdag 14 augustus 2019 18:06:25 CEST schreef Daniel Bauer:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:54 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 14/08/2019 14.30, Daniel Bauer wrote:
What do you recommend? Give it a try with ubuntu? Buy another graphics card? Which?
Is that your laptop (with Optimus) or a desktop?
It's the desktop. (On the laptop I have given up long time ago)
If it is a desktop, you may know from the Spanish list that I'm switching to AMD CPU and graphics. Gigabyte Radeon RX 580 probably - but my needs are not like yours.
If it is the laptop, I would try Ubuntu :-/
Did you try creating a new user and see if the issues appear for that new user. I suspect rather a Plasma5 setting than an NVIDIA failure.
I made a new user. Same problems.
A couple of things to consider: - Systemsettings - Screen and monitor - Compositor, which Backend is set for rendering?
Do you mean "Ausgabemodul"? : OpenGL 2.0
Yes, that one. Try setting it to OpenGL 3.1, IIRC my son had issues with NVIDIA + OpenGL 2.0, maybe similar to yours.
- Any older widgets involved? ( a new user should not suffer from those )
At least for sure not in the new user...
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* Knurpht-openSUSE <knurpht@opensuse.org> [01-01-70 12:34]:
Op woensdag 14 augustus 2019 20:29:02 CEST schreef Daniel Bauer:
Am 14.08.19 um 18:53 schrieb Knurpht-openSUSE:
Op woensdag 14 augustus 2019 18:06:25 CEST schreef Daniel Bauer:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:54 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 14/08/2019 14.30, Daniel Bauer wrote:
What do you recommend? Give it a try with ubuntu? Buy another graphics card? Which?
Is that your laptop (with Optimus) or a desktop?
It's the desktop. (On the laptop I have given up long time ago)
If it is a desktop, you may know from the Spanish list that I'm switching to AMD CPU and graphics. Gigabyte Radeon RX 580 probably - but my needs are not like yours.
If it is the laptop, I would try Ubuntu :-/
Did you try creating a new user and see if the issues appear for that new user. I suspect rather a Plasma5 setting than an NVIDIA failure.
I made a new user. Same problems.
A couple of things to consider: - Systemsettings - Screen and monitor - Compositor, which Backend is set for rendering?
Do you mean "Ausgabemodul"? : OpenGL 2.0
Yes, that one. Try setting it to OpenGL 3.1, IIRC my son had issues with NVIDIA + OpenGL 2.0, maybe similar to yours.
- Any older widgets involved? ( a new user should not suffer from those )
At least for sure not in the new user...
if you have "composting" on, try with it *off* -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Daniel Bauer composed on 2019-08-14 18:06 (UTC+0200)
(On the laptop I have given up long time ago)
I believe DennisG addressed this well @ 2019-08-14 13:06 (UTC-0400) https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2019-08/msg00610.html and believe due to https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1121246 which you noticed @2019-07-14 21:07 (UTC+0200) https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2019-07/msg00285.html it should be worth it to give 15.1 a try as time permits. I believe the response from Knurpht @2019-08-14 18:53 (UTC+0200) https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2019-08/msg00608.html to be a prime direction to take based upon your described Plasma symptoms, better than assuming NVidia's (tainting) drivers are at fault. About Ubuntu, I believe Dave Howorth @2019-08-14 14:19 (UTC+0100) had a better idea https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2019-08/msg00569.html Knoppix and Ubuntu are both based on Debian, but it is Knoppix that is the granddaddy of making things work automatically on live media, a great way to test and compare working and non-working configurations. Long thread, so I may have missed someone else suggesting to try this: Remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and any /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ files created by NVidia installation scripts and/or rpms. Those should only be those containing: Section "Device" Section "Monitor" Section "Screen" Xorg is very mature at autoconfiguring. Most hardware has no need for config files interfering with it. On your desktop, what is it about your work that demands use of tainting software? I have several NVidia GPUs near in age to your GTX 460, including one Firmi (Quadro NVS310). All work satisfactorily for me using FOSS exclusively, and automatically - no manual configuration required. I've never even /tried/ to use NVidia drivers. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> [08-14-19 14:49]:
Daniel Bauer composed on 2019-08-14 18:06 (UTC+0200)
(On the laptop I have given up long time ago) [...] On your desktop, what is it about your work that demands use of tainting software? I have several NVidia GPUs near in age to your GTX 460, including one Firmi (Quadro NVS310). All work satisfactorily for me using FOSS exclusively, and automatically - no manual configuration required. I've never even /tried/ to use NVidia drivers.
he is a photographer and needs to work raw photo images and if there exists OSS video drivers sufficient to do this work, I have not seen them. and to my experience, NVidia does the best. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan composed on 2019-08-14 16:49 (UTC-0400):
he is a photographer and needs to work raw photo images and if there> exists OSS video drivers sufficient to do this work, I have not seen them. Have you /tried/ to see any in the past year? 3 years? 6 years? Seems to me there should have been enough software and hardware improvement over time to make up any difference in whatever the best for still images was when you bought your GTS 450 for FOSS and/or newer other GPUs to handle as well now.
I installed Darktable here on 15.1 and/or 15.0 on an iMac, but so far I haven't managed to remember to get my sister to try it. If this thread had started yesterday it could have happened, as she was here, working. She's been a pro photographer more than 40 years, but still uses Win7, which I'd /really/ like to get her off of, on a Retina Macbook, for Photoshop. I lent her my Mamiya 645 1000S over 30 years ago and never got it back. She wore it out, then went to digital. For what I watch her do I find it hard to imagine FOSS incapable of handling acceptably after so many iterations of its existence. They're only still images (TIFF?), not 4K video. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/08/2019 23.44, Felix Miata wrote:
Patrick Shanahan composed on 2019-08-14 16:49 (UTC-0400):
he is a photographer and needs to work raw photo images and if there> exists OSS video drivers sufficient to do this work, I have not seen them. Have you /tried/ to see any in the past year? 3 years? 6 years? Seems to me there should have been enough software and hardware improvement over time to make up any difference in whatever the best for still images was when you bought your GTS 450 for FOSS and/or newer other GPUs to handle as well now.
I installed Darktable here on 15.1 and/or 15.0 on an iMac, but so far I haven't managed to remember to get my sister to try it. If this thread had started yesterday it could have happened, as she was here, working. She's been a pro photographer more than 40 years, but still uses Win7, which I'd /really/ like to get her off of, on a Retina Macbook, for Photoshop. I lent her my Mamiya 645 1000S over 30 years ago and never got it back. She wore it out, then went to digital.
For what I watch her do I find it hard to imagine FOSS incapable of handling acceptably after so many iterations of its existence. They're only still images (TIFF?), not 4K video.
I don't know the reason, but maybe some of the transformations are done in the GPU instead of the CPU. Either that or faster display. I suppose any driver, FOSS or not, is capable of displaying any still photo of any resolution and color depth. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> [08-14-19 17:47]:
Patrick Shanahan composed on 2019-08-14 16:49 (UTC-0400):
he is a photographer and needs to work raw photo images and if there> exists OSS video drivers sufficient to do this work, I have not seen them. Have you /tried/ to see any in the past year? 3 years? 6 years? Seems to me there should have been enough software and hardware improvement over time to make up any difference in whatever the best for still images was when you bought your GTS 450 for FOSS and/or newer other GPUs to handle as well now.
I installed Darktable here on 15.1 and/or 15.0 on an iMac, but so far I haven't managed to remember to get my sister to try it. If this thread had started yesterday it could have happened, as she was here, working. She's been a pro photographer more than 40 years, but still uses Win7, which I'd /really/ like to get her off of, on a Retina Macbook, for Photoshop. I lent her my Mamiya 645 1000S over 30 years ago and never got it back. She wore it out, then went to digital.
For what I watch her do I find it hard to imagine FOSS incapable of handling acceptably after so many iterations of its existence. They're only still images (TIFF?), not 4K video.
last time I tried several years ago, I could not get the same screen resolution with foss as I could with NVidia. admittedly, I have not tried for several years. fwiw, I am using foss on my toshiba laptop but the screen is only capable of # inxi -GssX System: Host: toshiba Kernel: 5.2.7-1-default x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 9.1.1 Console: N/A wm: kwin_x11 dm: SDDM Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20190810 Graphics: Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 5500 vendor: Toshiba America Info Systems driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:1616 Display: server: X.Org 1.20.5 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa alternate: intel compositor: kwin_x11 resolution: 1366x768~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 5500 (Broadwell GT2) v: 4.5 Mesa 19.1.3 compat-v: 3.0 direct render: Yes my work machine with NV GTS450 is 1920x1080 -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan composed on 2019-08-14 18:23 (UTC-0400):
last time I tried several years ago, I could not get the same screen resolution with foss as I could with NVidia. admittedly, I have not tried for several years.
Screen resolution should not be any issue for hardware designed in the past 12-15 years. HDTV (1920x1080) support dates back to last century, though it might take a card newer than 8-12 years for 4k support. I had a 4k screen for several weeks last year, but because of peculiarities of the product I purchased I decided better of it within its free return period. The following comes from a design roughly a year older than a GTS 450. It's the only NIB NVidia product I ever bought for myself, $28 39 months ago. # inxi -V | head -n1 inxi 3.0.36-00 (2019-08-14) # inxi -GxxS System: Host: hp945 Kernel: 5.1.16-1-default x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 9.1.1 Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.16.2 tk: Qt 5.13.0 wm: kwin_x11 dm: startx Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20190723 Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] vendor: eVga.com. driver: nouveau v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:0a65 Display: server: X.Org 1.20.5 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa alternate: nouveau,nv,nvidia compositor: kwin_x11 resolution: 2560x1440~60Hz, 1920x1200~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 8.0 128 bits) v: 3.3 Mesa 19.1.2 compat-v: 3.1 direct render: Yes # xrandr | egrep 'onnect|creen|\*' | grep -v disconn | sort -r Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 2560 x 2640, maximum 8192 x 8192 HDMI-1 connected 1920x1200+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 519mm x 324mm DVI-I-1 connected primary 2560x1440+0+1200 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 598mm x 336mm 2560x1440 59.95*+ 1920x1200 59.95*+ The following is from RAM, motherboard and CPU/GPU that cost new less than $300 combined less than 2 years ago: # inxi -V | head -n1 inxi 3.0.36-00 (2019-08-14) # inxi -GxxS System: Host: gb250 Kernel: 5.1.16-1-default x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 9.1.1 Desktop: IceWM 1.5.4 dm: startx Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20190718 Graphics: Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 630 vendor: Gigabyte driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:5912 Display: server: X.Org 1.20.5 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa alternate: intel resolution: 2560x1080~60Hz, 1920x1200~60Hz, 2560x1440~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 630 (Kaby Lake GT2) v: 4.5 Mesa 19.1.2 compat-v: 3.0 direct render: Yes # xrandr | egrep 'onnect|creen|\*' | grep -v disconn | sort -r Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 2560 x 3720, maximum 8192 x 8192 HDMI-2 connected 1920x1200+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 519mm x 324mm HDMI-1 connected 2560x1080+0+1200 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 673mm x 284mm DP-1 connected primary 2560x1440+0+2280 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 598mm x 336mm 2560x1440 59.95*+ 74.92 2560x1080 60.00*+ 1920x1200 59.95*+ -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 14.08.19 um 14:30 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Hi,
unfortunately quite working 42.3 had to be replaced with 15.1 due to end of security updates which are important to me.
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
Problem is, that this is my working computer and since two days I simply cannot work with it.
I know that Opensuse cuts functionality in each release since 13.x, but I didn't imagine that it simply would stop being usable at all.
Now I have two possibilities: - buy another graphics card that will maybe work a year or two until OpenSuse decides to stop working with it, too. - install another operating system.
Both possibilities are complicated. I am with openSuse since 20 years, and it has always bettered until the regression started from 13.x. I'd have to learn a new system. Windows is excluded, as it makes me sick. So could be ubuntu?
A new graphics card is expensive (I need quite a lot of power). Also I don't have any idea which one. One that fulfills my needs on one side, and that is supported by OpenSuse which I think is not really made anymore for a graphic desktop, more for a pure console computer, server or the like.
What do you recommend? Give it a try with ubuntu? Buy another graphics card? Which?
Hi daniel, i personally do not use nvidia i use since a long long time >10 years amd graphic. - never had any problems or unsupported (also old cards work fine with opensource drivers. but if you like to get help here: what desktop? kde? gnome? xfe? .....? opensource driver or special nvida driver, if nvidia from where, how installed? updated system or installed new? at least with fresh installed system an with opensource driver you should not have a problem. they should run out of the box. so the problem seems to be somewhere else. .... and if the only problem are the "spread around symbols" it depends what destop you have, as example on lxde (raspbian) you could change access of the 2 files: ~/.config/pcmanfm/LXDE-pi/ desktop-items-0.conf pcmanfm.conf to root root (after you have reorganized your desktop) then your desktop will always start with the same position of symbols regardless if you move theme around during work.......... simoN ps: and yes, i personally like old opensuse (11.4) much more than newer versions, because all get much much more complicated. "old" linux was made to be easy accessible for humans, log files, config files all plain text. now linux world will get more and more like windows, you need xml editors or special commands to read and configure things.......... systemd makes it from the view of my eyes more complicate, and so on..... www.becherer.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/08/2019 15.14, Simon Becherer wrote:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:30 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Hi daniel, i personally do not use nvidia i use since a long long time >10 years amd graphic. - never had any problems or unsupported (also old cards work fine with opensource drivers.
but if you like to get help here:
what desktop? kde? gnome? xfe? .....? opensource driver or special nvida driver, if nvidia from where, how installed? updated system or installed new?
at least with fresh installed system an with opensource driver you should not have a problem.
He specifically needs nvidia proprietary driver, for his kind of work. He has an Optimus laptop, that worked with 13.1 but not with Leap. The desktop machine I don't know what it has. I think he uses Plasma desktop. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Am 14.08.19 um 15:14 schrieb Simon Becherer:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:30 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Hi,
unfortunately quite working 42.3 had to be replaced with 15.1 due to end of security updates which are important to me.
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
What do you recommend? Give it a try with ubuntu? Buy another graphics card? Which?
Hi daniel, i personally do not use nvidia i use since a long long time >10 years amd graphic. - never had any problems or unsupported (also old cards work fine with opensource drivers.
but if you like to get help here:
what desktop? kde? gnome? xfe? .....?
KDE plasma
opensource driver or special nvida driver, if nvidia from where, how installed? updated system or installed new?
NVidia drivre from opensuse repository (see post more up with all details)
at least with fresh installed system an with opensource driver you should not have a problem.
It's a fresh install from scratch, even on new virgin disks, some weeks ago. It worked fine until two days ago.
they should run out of the box.
They did. They don't anymore :-(
so the problem seems to be somewhere else.
.... and if the only problem are the "spread around symbols" it depends what destop you have, as example on lxde (raspbian) you could change access of the 2 files: ~/.config/pcmanfm/LXDE-pi/ desktop-items-0.conf pcmanfm.conf to root root (after you have reorganized your desktop) then your desktop will always start with the same position of symbols regardless if you move theme around during work..........
This is only one of the problems. I found an ungly "semi-solution" just this morning before the latest freeze...: Obviously somehow KDE (or X or whatever) thinks my screen is smaller than it actually is (1980x1200px). All icons from the most right two rows are distributed randomly after re-login, one outside the screen height so that a scroll line appears. Where ever I look the resolution is correct. HwInfo gives the right size, KDE settings, too. Now, when I leave the most right two rows empty, icons stay where they are. Still after login for a second a scroll line appears and then disappears. Something's not ok, but although ugly and 10cm of the screen not usable for icons (even worse since icons cannot be placed freely anymore), I could live with that, if it was only that. I cannot live with the freezes, though. They make it impossible to work.
ps: and yes, i personally like old opensuse (11.4) much more than newer versions, because all get much much more complicated. "old" linux was made to be easy accessible for humans, log files, config files all plain text. now linux world will get more and more like windows, you need xml editors or special commands to read and configure things.......... systemd makes it from the view of my eyes more complicate, and so on.....
... and all information found in google is outdated, hints do not work anymore... but I'd already be happy if it simply would work. -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 14/08/2019 à 18:16, Daniel Bauer a écrit :
Where ever I look the resolution is correct. HwInfo gives the right size, KDE settings, too.
some time ago, I tied ti figure out where are infos stored and ended up with this http://www.dodin.org/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Doc.AddXResolution#toc2 may be it can help you? jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, please post the output of "inxi -F" from both your machines. On the laptop, also post "inxi -G" and "optirun inxi -G". Cheers MH *Mathias Homann* Mathias.Homann@openSUSE:.org[1] irc: [Lemmy] @ freenode, ircnet obs: lemmy04 *gpg key fingerprint: 8029 2240 F4DD 7776 E7D2 C042 6B8E 029E 13F2 C102* -------- [1] mailto:Mathias.Homann@eregion.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
It's a fresh install from scratch, even on new virgin disks, some weeks ago. It worked fine until two days ago.
they should run out of the box.
They did. They don't anymore :-( :-o mh, after an update?
Am 14.08.19 um 18:16 schrieb Daniel Bauer: then maybe rpmconfigcheck will show if there where some configs (from rpm) where changed. if its user based, (as mentioned in some other mail here) i have done (with older) opensuse kde systems always a backup of the .kde .kde4 and .config directorys, because of such suddenly changed behavior which has me hit also in past. then its much more easy to check the difference of files and find why its suddenly not working any more. (this will not help you in your situation at the moment) sorry, i am out at this point, as i was saying before, no nvidia at all anymore at my systems. wish you luck to get it running. simoN -- www.becherer.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 8/14/19 8:30 AM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hi,
unfortunately quite working 42.3 had to be replaced with 15.1 due to end of security updates which are important to me.
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
Problem is, that this is my working computer and since two days I simply cannot work with it.
I know that Opensuse cuts functionality in each release since 13.x, but I didn't imagine that it simply would stop being usable at all.
Now I have two possibilities: - buy another graphics card that will maybe work a year or two until OpenSuse decides to stop working with it, too. - install another operating system.
Both possibilities are complicated. I am with openSuse since 20 years, and it has always bettered until the regression started from 13.x. I'd have to learn a new system. Windows is excluded, as it makes me sick. So could be ubuntu?
A new graphics card is expensive (I need quite a lot of power). Also I don't have any idea which one. One that fulfills my needs on one side, and that is supported by OpenSuse which I think is not really made anymore for a graphic desktop, more for a pure console computer, server or the like.
What do you recommend? Give it a try with ubuntu? Buy another graphics card? Which?
Isn't your fundamental problem with the nvidia Optimus technology? If so, then the other suggestions posted won't probably help you. On the other hand, if the issue is not Optimus, then stop reading this here and ignore below . . . For Optimus: Have you tried using suse-prime? This is the opensuse version of the Ubuntu package. It is intended to support switching between the nvidia gpu and the intel gpu on your laptop's motherboard. The version in the 15.1 repo is .5, but a newer version (.68) is available in a community repo (use "Get Software" on the opensuse home page). You may also want to try plasma5-applet-suse-prime. Note however that prime is really only a workaround. While it is possible that Ubuntu's prime may work when opensuse's does not, it is much more likely both will perform the same. These are essentially just scripts that switch between the nvidia and intel gpu's. This method is not dynamic, and consequently cannot provide power management of the nvidia gpu, which could result in a substantial hit on the battery. (You might gain some advantage by using a lighter-weight display manager, like xfce.) The proper solution is a change in the nvidia driver architecture. Good news: Dynamic gpu switching is now available since the nvidia 435.17 driver; the opensuse repo has 430.34 and will soon have 430.40, all described at the link below. Bad news: Only 600 geforce and newer cards are supported, and even then only yet newer gpu's get power management. Which means that your gtx 460 is out of luck, the only solution available to you is a prime package above. https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1060977/announcements-and-news/-lin... http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/435.17/README/primerenderoff... As far as finding an alternative card, that is not an opensuse consideration, it depends upon nvidia. You can search on the nvidia site for supported cards and the necessary driver version. --dg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/14/2019 07:30 AM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hi,
unfortunately quite working 42.3 had to be replaced with 15.1 due to end of security updates which are important to me.
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
It's just a driver problem. Uninstall, reinstall the nvidia drivers. You likely need the G04 drivers (check what the GTX 460 requires -- damn good card, don't replace it, it has a 256-bit memory bus) No this doesn't have anything to do with differences in distributions. Use enough different distros and you learn it's all just Linux under the hood (even VMware is just Linux under the hood). Where they hide the parts is a bit different, and the package mangers vary, but it's all just Linux.... You want to see just how little you need, install Arch. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 14.08.19 um 14:30 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
Thanks for all the input! I'm trying all your hints one by one. The freezes occur randomly, it's hard to test. Sometimes it freezes right after reboot, sometimes within some minutes, the longest "unfreezed state" was during 21 hours, and then it freezed... Yesterday was terrible, it wasn't usable, as it freezed immediately or within minutes like 20 times... So I have to apply one hint after the other and then see over (maybe longer) time, if it works. The last thing I did was changing KDE system settings -> display -> compositor, "Ausgabemodul" from OpenGL 2.0 to 3.1. The computer is running now since 22:30h without freeze. Fingers crossed. -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/8/19 8:47 pm, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:30 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
Thanks for all the input! I'm trying all your hints one by one.
The freezes occur randomly, it's hard to test. Sometimes it freezes right after reboot, sometimes within some minutes, the longest "unfreezed state" was during 21 hours, and then it freezed... Yesterday was terrible, it wasn't usable, as it freezed immediately or within minutes like 20 times...
So I have to apply one hint after the other and then see over (maybe longer) time, if it works.
The last thing I did was changing KDE system settings -> display -> compositor, "Ausgabemodul" from OpenGL 2.0 to 3.1.
The computer is running now since 22:30h without freeze. Fingers crossed.
Hi Daniel, When was the last time you cleaned out the inside of your desktop? When you do, do you check that all the cards are sitting firmly in their slots, cables properly attached? And what about the fan on the 460 -- is it clean and rotating freely (and possibly overheating if not)? And as a final comment, you really should compile yourself the Nvidia driver rather than having it installed from the openSUSE Nvidia repository (see also Patrick's earlier comment). BC -- a yer eggo i kudnt spel progrmer butt naw i ar won! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 17.08.19 um 03:34 schrieb Basil Chupin:
On 16/8/19 8:47 pm, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:30 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
Thanks for all the input! I'm trying all your hints one by one.
The freezes occur randomly, it's hard to test. Sometimes it freezes right after reboot, sometimes within some minutes, the longest "unfreezed state" was during 21 hours, and then it freezed... Yesterday was terrible, it wasn't usable, as it freezed immediately or within minutes like 20 times...
So I have to apply one hint after the other and then see over (maybe longer) time, if it works.
The last thing I did was changing KDE system settings -> display -> compositor, "Ausgabemodul" from OpenGL 2.0 to 3.1.
The computer is running now since 22:30h without freeze. Fingers crossed.
Hi Daniel,
When was the last time you cleaned out the inside of your desktop? When you do, do you check that all the cards are sitting firmly in their slots, cables properly attached? And what about the fan on the 460 -- is it clean and rotating freely (and possibly overheating if not)?
I cleaned to whole computer just before installing 15.1, also because I added memory, a ssd-drive, and another harddisk... I keep an eye on temperatures, as I had the problem of dirty fans years ago, and GPU as well as processors are mostly at about 50°C. Only when freezing CPU and GPU usage goes up a lot (I hear the fans working harder). Checking the proper connection of the card and the cables was the first I did. Meanwhile the system is up and running for 1d 19:57h ... without freeze. Is it possible that it was just the OpenGL setting that caused all those problems?
And as a final comment, you really should compile yourself the Nvidia driver rather than having it installed from the openSUSE Nvidia repository (see also Patrick's earlier comment).
I remember (many) years ago I compiled them myself. As much as I remember after each kernel-update - quite often - I couldn't log in in the graphics system and had to re-compile the driver and make a new init.rd (IIRC), before I could continue to work. Since then grub has changed, the new systemd was introduced and I feel very insecure. So, if I can get it running with the opensuse rpm I'd prefer... -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/8/19 6:21 pm, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 17.08.19 um 03:34 schrieb Basil Chupin:
On 16/8/19 8:47 pm, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:30 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
Thanks for all the input! I'm trying all your hints one by one.
The freezes occur randomly, it's hard to test. Sometimes it freezes right after reboot, sometimes within some minutes, the longest "unfreezed state" was during 21 hours, and then it freezed... Yesterday was terrible, it wasn't usable, as it freezed immediately or within minutes like 20 times...
So I have to apply one hint after the other and then see over (maybe longer) time, if it works.
The last thing I did was changing KDE system settings -> display -> compositor, "Ausgabemodul" from OpenGL 2.0 to 3.1.
The computer is running now since 22:30h without freeze. Fingers crossed.
Hi Daniel,
When was the last time you cleaned out the inside of your desktop? When you do, do you check that all the cards are sitting firmly in their slots, cables properly attached? And what about the fan on the 460 -- is it clean and rotating freely (and possibly overheating if not)?
I cleaned to whole computer just before installing 15.1, also because I added memory, a ssd-drive, and another harddisk...
Now, you didn't mention any of this in your first post asking for assistance. You have shifted the goal posts by quite a number of metres from where they were in your 42.3 installation.
I keep an eye on temperatures, as I had the problem of dirty fans years ago, and GPU as well as processors are mostly at about 50°C. Only when freezing CPU and GPU usage goes up a lot (I hear the fans working harder).
Checking the proper connection of the card and the cables was the first I did.
Meanwhile the system is up and running for 1d 19:57h ... without freeze. Is it possible that it was just the OpenGL setting that caused all those problems?
One way to find out: switch back to GL2.0 :-).
And as a final comment, you really should compile yourself the Nvidia
driver rather than having it installed from the openSUSE Nvidia repository (see also Patrick's earlier comment).
I remember (many) years ago I compiled them myself. As much as I remember after each kernel-update - quite often - I couldn't log in in the graphics system and had to re-compile the driver and make a new init.rd (IIRC), before I could continue to work.
Since then grub has changed, the new systemd was introduced and I feel very insecure. So, if I can get it running with the opensuse rpm I'd prefer...
Whatever makes you feel comfortable -- but compiling your own driver under grub2 is still a piece of cake :-). BC -- a yer eggo i kudnt spel progrmer butt naw i ar won! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 16.08.19 um 12:47 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:30 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
Could be that this was the solution:
The last thing I did was changing KDE system settings -> display -> compositor, "Ausgabemodul" from OpenGL 2.0 to 3.1.
Since that change the computer was up and running with no problems, using all kind of programs, I tried to go to the max with many firefox windows open, plus digikam, plus gimp with up to 8 windows, each containing an approx. 30 MB image file, finally open win 10 in virtualbox and at the same time using thunderbird, firefox and VLC with a video on the OS host... All perfect! As a new nvidia driver came with the updates, before installing it, I changed back to OpenGL 2.0 and after logout/in the desktop was completely unresponsive (couldn't click an icon, they were displayed slightly blurred). Didn't go into more tests, as it is obvious that OpenGL 2.0 isn't liked by my system. Now I updated to the new nvidia driver, rebooted, and the system is now running since 2 and half an hour. Hopefully this change from OpenGL 2 to 3.1 was the solution. I keep the finger crossed :-) Thanks again for your input (and for tolerating my angry, frustrated original post) -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 21/8/19 7:59 pm, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 16.08.19 um 12:47 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:30 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
Could be that this was the solution:
The last thing I did was changing KDE system settings -> display -> compositor, "Ausgabemodul" from OpenGL 2.0 to 3.1.
Since that change the computer was up and running with no problems, using all kind of programs, I tried to go to the max with many firefox windows open, plus digikam, plus gimp with up to 8 windows, each containing an approx. 30 MB image file, finally open win 10 in virtualbox and at the same time using thunderbird, firefox and VLC with a video on the OS host... All perfect!
As a new nvidia driver came with the updates, before installing it, I changed back to OpenGL 2.0 and after logout/in the desktop was completely unresponsive (couldn't click an icon, they were displayed slightly blurred). Didn't go into more tests, as it is obvious that OpenGL 2.0 isn't liked by my system.
Now I updated to the new nvidia driver, rebooted, and the system is now running since 2 and half an hour. Hopefully this change from OpenGL 2 to 3.1 was the solution. I keep the finger crossed :-)
Thanks again for your input (and for tolerating my angry, frustrated original post)
Most interesting. I didn't even know that one could change from OpenGL 2 to 3.1 and so have been running on 2.0 all this time without any problems. But then, I do compile the nVidia driver myself... -- a yer eggo i kudnt spel progrmer butt naw i ar won! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, After 7 days uptime without reboot I was logged in to my KDE on 15.1 without any problem, but this morning the screen froze again for a while (like 30 seconds), then KDE graphics was restarted without the desktop effects. I logged out. The "greeting screen" (where I can input the password) was completely scrambled. I still could enter the pwd and hit enter. After displaying the desktop it crashed again immediately. I rebooted. Again the greeting screen was scrambled AND frozen. I couldn't enter pwd. But after a while (a minute?) it accepted the password and lead me to the desktop. Which froze after 5 minutes... Now, after a new reboot, again with scrambled but responsive greeting page, the desktop works normal since 20 minutes. It is /really/ strange. It happens immediately, after some minutes, some hours or some days. No pattern I could see. For what can I search? Am 21.08.19 um 11:59 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Am 16.08.19 um 12:47 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Am 14.08.19 um 14:30 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Now, this system seems not to be able to handle my Nvidia GeForce GTX 460. It freezes all the time. If it doesn't freeze the desktop effects get switched off due to "restart of graphics". When I log out and in, the desktop icons spread somehow over the screen and I have to reorder them - each and every time. Bug reports are not seen, obviously.
Could be that this was the solution:
The last thing I did was changing KDE system settings -> display -> compositor, "Ausgabemodul" from OpenGL 2.0 to 3.1.
Since that change the computer was up and running with no problems, using all kind of programs, I tried to go to the max with many firefox windows open, plus digikam, plus gimp with up to 8 windows, each containing an approx. 30 MB image file, finally open win 10 in virtualbox and at the same time using thunderbird, firefox and VLC with a video on the OS host... All perfect!
As a new nvidia driver came with the updates, before installing it, I changed back to OpenGL 2.0 and after logout/in the desktop was completely unresponsive (couldn't click an icon, they were displayed slightly blurred). Didn't go into more tests, as it is obvious that OpenGL 2.0 isn't liked by my system.
Now I updated to the new nvidia driver, rebooted, and the system is now running since 2 and half an hour. Hopefully this change from OpenGL 2 to 3.1 was the solution. I keep the finger crossed :-)
Thanks again for your input (and for tolerating my angry, frustrated original post)
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On 2019-09-05 04:46 AM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hello,
After 7 days uptime without reboot I was logged in to my KDE on 15.1 without any problem, but this morning the screen froze again for a while (like 30 seconds), then KDE graphics was restarted without the desktop effects.
I logged out. The "greeting screen" (where I can input the password) was completely scrambled. I still could enter the pwd and hit enter. After displaying the desktop it crashed again immediately.
I rebooted. Again the greeting screen was scrambled AND frozen. I couldn't enter pwd. But after a while (a minute?) it accepted the password and lead me to the desktop. Which froze after 5 minutes...
Now, after a new reboot, again with scrambled but responsive greeting page, the desktop works normal since 20 minutes.
It is /really/ strange. It happens immediately, after some minutes, some hours or some days. No pattern I could see.
For what can I search?
As mentioned, I'm also having some KDE problems, where my desktop will bog down and even lock up solid, after a couple/few days. Right now, the System Monitor shows 11 G memory used of 16 and no swap at all. When it failed the last time, swap was about 4 G, with memory still around 11. This time, when I used Ctl-Alt-Backspace several times to get out of it, I was not taken to the login screen and had to reboot. I just had a black screen, with nothing on it, instead of the login screen. The lockup has happened on 2 different computers, one running 15.1 and the other 15.0. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
In data giovedì 5 settembre 2019 14:40:55 CEST, James Knott ha scritto:
On 2019-09-05 04:46 AM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hello,
After 7 days uptime without reboot I was logged in to my KDE on 15.1 without any problem, but this morning the screen froze again for a while (like 30 seconds), then KDE graphics was restarted without the desktop effects.
I logged out. The "greeting screen" (where I can input the password) was completely scrambled. I still could enter the pwd and hit enter. After displaying the desktop it crashed again immediately.
I rebooted. Again the greeting screen was scrambled AND frozen. I couldn't enter pwd. But after a while (a minute?) it accepted the password and lead me to the desktop. Which froze after 5 minutes...
Now, after a new reboot, again with scrambled but responsive greeting page, the desktop works normal since 20 minutes.
It is /really/ strange. It happens immediately, after some minutes, some hours or some days. No pattern I could see.
For what can I search?
As mentioned, I'm also having some KDE problems, where my desktop will bog down and even lock up solid, after a couple/few days. Right now, the System Monitor shows 11 G memory used of 16 and no swap at all. When it failed the last time, swap was about 4 G, with memory still around 11. This time, when I used Ctl-Alt-Backspace several times to get out of it, I was not taken to the login screen and had to reboot. I just had a black screen, with nothing on it, instead of the login screen. The lockup has happened on 2 different computers, one running 15.1 and the other 15.0. Do you have akonadi / kontakt running?
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On 2019-09-05 02:15 PM, stakanov wrote:
As mentioned, I'm also having some KDE problems, where my desktop will bog down and even lock up solid, after a couple/few days. Right now, the System Monitor shows 11 G memory used of 16 and no swap at all. When it failed the last time, swap was about 4 G, with memory still around 11. This time, when I used Ctl-Alt-Backspace several times to get out of it, I was not taken to the login screen and had to reboot. I just had a black screen, with nothing on it, instead of the login screen. The lockup has happened on 2 different computers, one running 15.1 and the other 15.0. Do you have akonadi / kontakt running?
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Am 05.09.19 um 20:15 schrieb stakanov:
In data giovedì 5 settembre 2019 14:40:55 CEST, James Knott ha scritto:
On 2019-09-05 04:46 AM, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hello,
After 7 days uptime without reboot I was logged in to my KDE on 15.1 without any problem, but this morning the screen froze again for a while (like 30 seconds), then KDE graphics was restarted without the desktop effects.
I logged out. The "greeting screen" (where I can input the password) was completely scrambled. I still could enter the pwd and hit enter. After displaying the desktop it crashed again immediately.
I rebooted. Again the greeting screen was scrambled AND frozen. I couldn't enter pwd. But after a while (a minute?) it accepted the password and lead me to the desktop. Which froze after 5 minutes...
Now, after a new reboot, again with scrambled but responsive greeting page, the desktop works normal since 20 minutes.
It is /really/ strange. It happens immediately, after some minutes, some hours or some days. No pattern I could see.
For what can I search?
As mentioned, I'm also having some KDE problems, where my desktop will bog down and even lock up solid, after a couple/few days. Right now, the System Monitor shows 11 G memory used of 16 and no swap at all. When it failed the last time, swap was about 4 G, with memory still around 11. This time, when I used Ctl-Alt-Backspace several times to get out of it, I was not taken to the login screen and had to reboot. I just had a black screen, with nothing on it, instead of the login screen. The lockup has happened on 2 different computers, one running 15.1 and the other 15.0. Do you have akonadi / kontakt running?
no -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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