On Aug 30, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

Constantinos Galilei wrote:

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On Tuesday August 25 2009 5:27:08 am G T Smith wrote:

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On a more pertinent note, one also needs to consider those who voted with their feet...

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There are still features I miss from OS/2's Workplace Shell, but I wouldn't go back to it. I actually made a feature request on this a long time ago, but I'm guessing it didn't interest too many people. I'd still like to see KDE eventually have work folders that act like mini-sessions that you could create by saving the current running programs as a folder and launch them by clicking the folder later, though.

I may be totally wrong here but I got the impression that in 4.3 there is the ACTIVITY feature which does what you are talking about here.

BC

I encourage every one to waste no time fiddling with activities. They are horribly broken and unstable at this point. So much so that I have not been able to achieve three consecutive days without activities running wild, multiplying like rabits and just generally getting hozed. They may be workable by release 4.3 I'd rather see everyone get together and lobby the KDE team to abandon the concept of activities or provide a way to turn them off totally. The are zero improvement over multiple desktops. They have steadfast withheld the popular demand for different wallpapers on each desktop so they could ramn this activities concept down our throats. We don't work in widgets. We use applications. There are no usefull widgets that do anything butter than applications. Please everybody lobby Doton to carry this flag instead of chasing after every missing dotted I of crossed T. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 31 August 2009 06:26:26 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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We don't work in widgets. We use applications. There are no usefull widgets that do anything butter than applications.

Ever think that a widget just might be another word for a special kind of application :^)

It's a lot more generic than that. To say that you don't work in widget is tantamount to saying that you work in text mode. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUI_widget It's a term that's been with us since forever and applies to everything you see in a GUI environment on any platform Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 31 August 2009 07:09:39 John Andersen wrote:

So its defuse the issue with generalities is it Anders?

Activities just are not stable. Unfortunately, there is no way to avoid them and still have different wallpapers so you know where you are at a glance.

Believe me, I am not trying to defend activities, I dislike them too. I think they should go away until they can be added in a more logical manner, with some actual functionality to show their use That doesn't mean we should misappropriate terminology though. "widgets" has nothing to do with activities. I have seen this before, some people seem to think that the term is new with KDE4. Plasma itself I like though. It is already very useful - on the desktop as well as as a plugin architecture for applications Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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I encourage every one to waste no time fiddling with activities.

They are horribly broken and unstable at this point. So much so that I have not been able to achieve three consecutive days without activities running wild, multiplying like rabits and just generally getting hozed.

They may be workable by release 4.3

They work fine for me in 4.3. Saying XYZ is broken in an old release of KDE4 is useless. If you're having issues in 4.3... then you have something to grump about, and things need to be fixed. Grumping about an old problem that is likely already fixed is... well... not so productive.

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We don't work in widgets. We use applications.  There are no usefull widgets that do anything butter than applications.

Ever think that a widget just might be another word for a special kind of application  :^)

I've worked in widgets for years... in KDE3. Ever hear of SuperKaramba? In KDE4, I've got some very useful widgets running... one that's saved me a LOT of time is the Server Status one... it pings however many different servers you configure, and reports up/down. There are loads of others.... KDE4.3 is good enough that I've started installing it on my friend's desktops. They love it, and none want to go back to KDE3.5. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

I meant to say they may be workable in 4.4

Activities are a huge nuisance in 4.3.0.

You think you have one per desktop, only to zoom out and find 4 or 6 or 20.  Most with no big Red X to close them.

Its just maddening trying to control activities.  I've taken to backing up all ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* files simply because its faster than starting from scratch.

Hmmmm... I wonder what's different then between your setup and mine. I've not /yet/ noticed any of the old issues with Workspaces since I did a *clean* install of 4.3. That might be the key there. I did incremental updates from 4.0.3 to 4.3 and had a real disaster... to the point I was about ready to give up some days - intensely frustrating at times to say the least. Then after dropping in a new hard drive, I decided to do a full reinstall with a completely clean KDE4.3 setup. That made a huge difference. When I say clean, I mean totally clean. Install 11.1, upgrade immediately using the One-Click to 4.3. Log out, wipe my home directory completely (I have all the important stuff backed up elsewhere). On logging back in, the system is forced to completely rebuild my /home as if I'm a new user... so no cruft left over in /home from previous generations of KDE4, and no incompatible bits and bobs in the root either. KDE4.3 is working great for me now. Still loads of room for improvement of course, but wow, what a difference. That improvement includes workspaces... they seem to be working fine... granted I don't zoom out all that often... I just use Ctrl+F1, F2 etc to switch desktops (or scroll the mouse wheel on the desktop) and things do what I expect/want. I just did a zoom out, and I see all the desktops I've defined. I can zoom in to one or the other... I can configure each one... each has it's own independent widget set... independent wallpaper... etc etc. no problems so far (fingers crossed). C. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Well i have installed on the laptop 11.2MS6 and the DO NOT WORK  neither does a different wallpaper on each desktop

Lots of things do not work in 11.2M6... and your point is? You're not helping people see your points... valid or otherwise... by your comments... you have valid complaints about KDE4... but people are only going to see your vitriolic outbursts and ignore you completely. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 31 Aug 2009 09:51:05 Clayton wrote: pruned/

but people are only going to see your vitriolic outbursts and ignore you completely.

C.

IF i was being vitriolic as you claim i would most definatley be as polite rest assured of that i am merely stating a point now of course if you do not like it then thats your right to choose but please do not accuse people of something they are not . Pete

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IF i was being vitriolic as you claim i would most definatley be as polite rest assured of that i am merely stating a point now of course if you do not like it then thats your right to choose but please do not accuse people of something they are not .

Only pointing out that your pattern of posts show a lot of frustration and anger and little apparent effort for anything other than just outbursts. If you don't see it.. then OK, fine.. consider it dropped.

C. not so much anger as get fedup with pointless changes for changes sake ok so maybe kde 3.5.x was not brilliant but it functioned and functioned pretty well it has to be said whilst the 4.3 tree is still very lacking and has been made un neseserilly difficult to customise the old method worked well whay hide things in silly out of the way places like that stupid peanut device tucked away in the top corner and then it is not visable all the time one of

On Monday 31 Aug 2009 20:55:22 Clayton wrote: the beautys of Linux was the absolute total configurablatiy of the system it is now heading towards the windBloWs this is what you got shut up and use it method which is alienating a lot of people i fortunately have been using Linux for too long to remember now so can normally find and solve things but a lot cant . I even used to have to hack the early kernels to get them to see the floppy controller on an old MB i used ( i never sent in the patch could never find anyone using the same MoBo ) Pete PC's almost since day one.

* John Andersen [08-31-09 18:22]:

Peter Nikolic wrote:

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like that stupid peanut device

A prime example of how to intelligently discuss something Not! Rather another example of your childish behavour along with your sentence structure and grammar. It would be seen differently if you really didn't know the difference.

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tucked away in the top corner and then it is not visable all the time

Yeah, what's up with that disappearing cashew any way? Sometimes it goes missing totally. Other times you get duplicate menus on the cashew.

Just for your info and ?peace of mind?: I have been running for six hours not with widgets "unlocked" w/o any dissapearance or moving around or multiplying widgets or.... As far as the cashew "disappearing", that comes from you changing the view from "desktop" to "plain desktop". You are removing the cashew, it is not, as you say, disappearing on it's own. Note: changing the display from "desktop" to "plain desktop" does move all the widgets to the upper right corner of the screen :^(. But I see no reason to continually make that change! -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 31 August 09, Patrick Shanahan wrote: Nothing worth anyone's time reading. -- If guns kill people then... - Pencils mispell words. - Cars make people drive drunk. - Spoons make people overeat. Read The Patriot -- It's Right. It's Free. http://patriotpost.us/subscribe.php -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hello, On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Peter Nikolic wrote: [KDE]

the old method worked well whay hide things in silly out of the way places like that stupid peanut device tucked away in the top corner and then it is not visable all the time one of the beautys of Linux was the absolute total configurablatiy of the system it is now heading towards the windBloWs this is what you got shut up and use it method

Well, actually, it's KDE and/or Gnome heading that way. Guess why I use neither (KDE not since 1.1.2, Gnome never really). And, if you look to the past, there's a distinct pattern to KDE usability. KDE 1: useful with 1.1.2 KDE 2: useful with 2.x.y # x >=2? >=3? haven't followed that much KDE 3: useful with 3.x.y # x >= 3? probably >= 4 or even 3.5 ... KDE 4: my guess is it'll be 4.5 or later Generally: the last minor version before the next major works best by far (e.g. 1.1.2, IIRC the last 2.x before 3.0 was released, 3.5). So, yes, you are quite right about KDE, but wrong about Linux, and you chose your (desktop) poison yourself. Oh, and don't get me wrong, there are very nice KDE apps, which I even use. E.g. 1.1.2 kmix and various games on my old box, current k3b and other stuff on the new box ... Esp. k3b is quite an improvement over the plethora of somewhat-working-in-special-ways (and all failing in plenty fundamental, sometimes "creative" ways) mkisofs/cdreoord- frontend programs that came with KDE1 and 2 (IIRC). I still got a bunch of those on my old system. Some names, to jog your memory: kreatecd, kcdwrite, keasycd, kisocd and that's just the KDE1 stuff ;) So, what you are experiencing, is nothing new. Or unexpected. IMHO. -dnh, using WindowMaker, which is very configurable, partly via a GUI, very much via config files and ultimatively via the rather smallish source code and/or compilation-time defines. -- The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* John Andersen [08-30-09 22:49]:

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I encourage every one to waste no time fiddling with activities.

They are horribly broken and unstable at this point. So much so that I have not been able to achieve three consecutive days without activities running wild, multiplying like rabits and just generally getting hozed.

They may be workable by release 4.3

I'd rather see everyone get together and lobby the KDE team to abandon the concept of activities or provide a way to turn them off totally.

The are zero improvement over multiple desktops.

I have little problem with either...

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They have steadfast withheld the popular demand for different wallpapers on each desktop so they could ramn this activities concept down our throats.

You know not what you say! I have different wallpaper on each of my six desktops.

OK, let me - and others - know how you have achieved this? A different wallpaper on each of the six desktops, right? Using 11.1 or 11.2 and KDE4.3, right? And using the 32-bit version of 11.1 or 11.2, right? BC -- Great Man reaches complete understanding of the main issues; Petty Man reaches complete understanding of the minute details." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Peter Nikolic wrote:

On Monday 31 Aug 2009 08:16:13 Basil Chupin wrote:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* John Andersen [08-30-09 22:49]:

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I encourage every one to waste no time fiddling with activities.

They are horribly broken and unstable at this point. So much so that I have not been able to achieve three consecutive days without activities running wild, multiplying like rabits and just generally getting hozed.

They may be workable by release 4.3

I'd rather see everyone get together and lobby the KDE team to abandon the concept of activities or provide a way to turn them off totally.

The are zero improvement over multiple desktops.

I have little problem with either...

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They have steadfast withheld the popular demand for different wallpapers on each desktop so they could ramn this activities concept down our throats.

You know not what you say! I have different wallpaper on each of my six desktops.

OK, let me - and others - know how you have achieved this? A different wallpaper on each of the six desktops, right? Using 11.1 or 11.2 and KDE4.3, right? And using the 32-bit version of 11.1 or 11.2, right?

BC

That tac has been tried before Basil and we never got told how just some excuse for a tale .

Pete .

Well, Patrick has specifically stated that he had a different wallpaper on each of his 6 Desktops (I, too, use 6 Desktops); I have asked him how he achieved this. Let's first see what his answer is. BC -- Great Man reaches complete understanding of the main issues; Petty Man reaches complete understanding of the minute details." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Clayton wrote:

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Well, Patrick has specifically stated that he had a different wallpaper on each of his 6 Desktops (I, too, use 6 Desktops); I have asked him how he achieved this.

Let's first see what his answer is.

All I did to achieve this was (note this is the latest Factory 4.3 on 11.1 x64): - Click the Cashew or whatever you want to call it up in the top right - Click Configure Plasma Workspace - Click the check box next to Different activity for each desktop - Set up and use each Desktop as normal.

As simple as all this, eh? :-) And all we had to do in KDE 3 was select a different wallpaper for each desktop..... Oh gosh, how *boring* was THAT? :-D . OK, I'll first watch my Harry Potter film (seriously, no joke) and then go and try out this "simpler" method of assigning-a-different-wallpaper-to-a-Desktop trick :-) . Thanks for the above. BC -- Great Man reaches complete understanding of the main issues; Petty Man reaches complete understanding of the minute details." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 11:31 +0200, Clayton wrote:

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All I did to achieve this was (note this is the latest Factory 4.3 on 11.1 x64): - Click the Cashew or whatever you want to call it up in the top right - Click Configure Plasma Workspace - Click the check box next to Different activity for each desktop - Set up and use each Desktop as normal.

As simple as all this, eh? :-)

And all we had to do in KDE 3 was select a different wallpaper for each desktop..... Oh gosh, how *boring* was THAT? :-D .

OK, I'll first watch my Harry Potter film (seriously, no joke) and then go and try out this "simpler" method of assigning-a-different-wallpaper-to-a-Desktop trick :-) .

Thanks for the above.

As simple as setting a check box once... yah, that is pretty hard to do... I mean it's 3 clicks... and then all you need to do is select a wallpaper for each desktop like in KDE3.

I don't have a problem with the various clicks. I like a good mystery as much as the next guy. If I have any issue, it is that when a feature has changed in KDE4, where it is possible to have the initial default set so that the behavior is the same as it was in KDE3, this is not done. I guess settings are made different to call attention to them. While it does get attention, the end result is that too many things need to be figured out just to pick up life in KDE4 where KDE3 left off. Perhaps when adding new users (or to whatever extent it is possible with existing users), a program to set all settings to mimic KDE3 behavior when possible would make a few people happy. Perhaps this has been suggested an I missed it. I know that in our own software, when we make a previously fixed setting into one that can be changed, we ALWAYS AND INVARIABLY set the initial default to the original behavior - no matter how fun and wonderful or new setting may make life on this planet. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 12:25 +0200, Clayton wrote:

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Perhaps when adding new users (or to whatever extent it is possible with existing users), a program to set all settings to mimic KDE3 behavior when possible would make a few people happy. Perhaps this has been suggested an I missed it. I know that in our own software, when we make a previously fixed setting into one that can be changed, we ALWAYS AND INVARIABLY set the initial default to the original behavior - no matter how fun and wonderful or new setting may make life on this planet.

I don't know if this is really possible. The concept of how the desktop works has been reworked and redesigned. in a lot of cases there simply isn't an 1 to 1 relation from the KDE3 way to the KDE4 way... in some cases the functionality is not there... others it's been moved to a totally different place, and in others, it's a completely new bit. Being able to default identical to the old behavior... would be difficult in many cases.

In your own software, the new features are likely new on top of existing functionality... not a complete rewrite?

A rewrite of the code: yes. But let's take the functionality in question: different wallpapers on each desktop. To get this functionality, some settings were first in need of change from their default KDE4 values. Could those settings originally have been set to this changed value, thus allowing the KDE3-compatible behavior out-of-the-box? It is always possible that the change to get KDE3 behavior for this feature messes up some other compatibility issue. Hard to say. But I will hazard the guess that it is not on the list of concerns when deciding on default values in KDE4. I suspect they are set more to show off new features than, even when possible, to maintain consistency with KDE3. Saying it is a re-write is quite often, I think, a cop-out. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 12:25 +0200, Clayton wrote:

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Perhaps when adding new users (or to whatever extent it is possible with existing users), a program to set all settings to mimic KDE3 behavior when possible would make a few people happy. Perhaps this has been suggested an I missed it. I know that in our own software, when we make a previously fixed setting into one that can be changed, we ALWAYS AND INVARIABLY set the initial default to the original behavior - no matter how fun and wonderful or new setting may make life on this planet.

I don't know if this is really possible. The concept of how the desktop works has been reworked and redesigned. in a lot of cases there simply isn't an 1 to 1 relation from the KDE3 way to the KDE4 way... in some cases the functionality is not there... others it's been moved to a totally different place, and in others, it's a completely new bit. Being able to default identical to the old behavior... would be difficult in many cases.

In your own software, the new features are likely new on top of existing functionality... not a complete rewrite?

A bit of both. Depends on what is happening. I think the biggest frustrations many folk have in the KDE3->KDE4 transition is not merely the reorganization, but the reorganization with out any concern for backward compatibility - even when it is discovered that the KDE3 functionality is still available, but things are set so that you would never guess. If, as is implied, KDE4 has rethought things from scratch, one might expect the developers to at least start with an understanding of (1) what the current system does (2) what should be improved (3) how to make these changes without compromising item 1, (4) how much needs to be changed in user-land to accomplish this change. I suspect items 3 and 4 were way down on the list of priorities. Surely it was not expected that this would not have consequences. Having said all this, on the whole I am happy with KDE4. The often unnecessary disconnect with KDE3 is unfortunate, and has led to lots of wasted time on the part of the users. Obviously we will all get past this. But what will happen with KDE5?

C.

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Clayton wrote:

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All I did to achieve this was (note this is the latest Factory 4.3 on 11.1 x64): �- Click the Cashew or whatever you want to call it up in the top right �- Click Configure Plasma Workspace �- Click the check box next to Different activity for each desktop �- Set up and use each Desktop as normal.

As simple as all this, eh? :-)

And all we had to do in KDE 3 was select a different wallpaper for each desktop..... Oh gosh, how *boring* was THAT? :-D .

OK, I'll first watch my Harry Potter film (seriously, no joke) and then go and try out this "simpler" method of assigning-a-different-wallpaper-to-a-Desktop trick :-) .

Thanks for the above.

As simple as setting a check box once...

No, Clayton its NOT that simple. You think all is well and good. Running along all fat and happy. Then you unlock the widgets to add something and BOOM, your desktop goes all wonky, your widgets scurry into obscure places like rats. You zoom out, and instead of one activity per desktop you have 4 or 5 more than you need, and have no idea where they come from. Every single time you use the Unlock feature you put your entire screen setup at risk. I'd like you to calmly explain just what was so hard about configuring multiple desktops in KDE 3 that caused you so much problems. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Then you unlock the widgets to add something and BOOM, your desktop goes all wonky, your widgets scurry into obscure places like rats.

I've yet to see this... it's not happening to me yet. I've been running 2 weeks now since my clean install... I can zoom out.. I see only the desktops/activities I've defined... no more.. no less. I can unlock and lock my widgets... done it several times over the course of the last 2 weeks... everything is staying where it belongs.

I'd like you to calmly explain just what was so hard about configuring multiple desktops in KDE 3 that caused  you so much problems.

Nothing was hard.. just like nothing is hard about it in KDE4. It just works overall better for me in KDE4 with the work I do... the apps I use.. the games I play... etc etc. I find it much easier to achieve a desktop that I need/want for my work... and for play in KDE4. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Peter Nikolic [08-31-09 03:50]:

That tac has been tried before Basil and we never got told how just some excuse for a tale .

It's a shame that you cannot contribute and are apparently developmentally challenged that you cannot understand the very basic instructions that have been presented here. Your immense displeasure with the present operating system should move you to something less challenging and releave us of your incoherent, childish rantings. If you cannot contribute, you are merely a weight upon a drowning man. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 31 August 09, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Peter Nikolic [08-31-09 03:50]:

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That tac has been tried before Basil and we never got told how just some excuse for a tale .

It's a shame that you cannot contribute and are apparently developmentally challenged that you cannot understand the very basic instructions that have been presented here.

Any "shame" to be put on anyone is on you, you pompous ass. Peter has contributed lots. You have too, so long as you were able to make the person you were helping out feel small and insignificant. If you're so good at being what the world wants, why do so many keep telling you to FOAD?

Your immense displeasure with the present operating system should move you to something less challenging and releave us of your incoherent, childish rantings.

Right alongside *your* childish rantings, like the one above? You useless puke! STFU and FOAD.

If you cannot contribute, you are merely a weight upon a drowning man.

It'd be nice if *YOU* were the drowning man! Go die alone in a field somewhere. Maybe you'll be able to berate and humiliate some poor dumb creature of the woods and it won't piss all over your body when you collapse. You friggin' diquehole. -- "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical group of hand-wringing, bleeding-heart liberals, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike wrote:

On Tuesday 01 September 2009, JB2 wrote:

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On 31 August 09, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Right alongside *your* childish rantings, like the one above? You useless puke! STFU and FOAD.

Oh, aren't we just the best thing to happen. You have NEVER made a contribution other than your usual BS.

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If you cannot contribute, you are merely a weight upon a drowning man.

It'd be nice if *YOU* were the drowning man! Go die alone in a field somewhere. Maybe you'll be able to berate and humiliate some poor dumb creature of the woods and it won't piss all over your body when you collapse. You friggin' diquehole.

BFD. Take a hike. You are totally worthless and a detriment to all mankind. Bitbucket for you..

Taken you this long to bitbucket him, eh? :-) . I did it, what, a couple of years ago- whatever he posts is automatically sent to the junk folder and deleted. BC -- Great Man reaches complete understanding of the main issues; Petty Man reaches complete understanding of the minute details." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 01 September 09, Jim Henderson wrote:

On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 08:46:08 -0500, JB2 wrote:

[nothing worth reading - only because YOU are so fond of telling others the same thing]

Guys, take it to private e-mail - the list isn't the appropriate place for you two to flame each other.

Sheesh.

...as you prove your hypocrisy and flame. What an ass. STFU. -- Criminals love gun control -- it makes their jobs safer. Read The Patriot -- It's Right. It's Free. http://patriotpost.us/subscribe.php -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Jim Henderson wrote:

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 03:11:20 -0500, JB2 wrote:

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On 01 September 09, Jim Henderson wrote:

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On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 08:46:08 -0500, JB2 wrote:

[nothing worth reading - only because YOU are so fond of telling others the same thing]

Guys, take it to private e-mail - the list isn't the appropriate place for you two to flame each other.

Sheesh.

...as you prove your hypocrisy and flame. What an ass. STFU.

Nice and mature, JB2 - and another wonderfully content-free post. Good to see that you can dish it out but you can't take it.

<plonk>

Jim

I "plonked" him a looooooong time ago. Anything he posts automatically goes into the Deleted folder. And I am most surprised how his posts still keep getting thru as I was led to believe that he was banned from oS mail lists. BC -- "There are none so blind as those who will not see." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M. wrote:

On Friday 04 September 2009 01:41:19 Basil Chupin wrote:

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And I am most surprised how his posts still keep getting thru as I was led to believe that he was banned from oS mail lists.

There was only one ban in recent history (2005+), and that wasn't him.

Ah, OK. I thought it was the same character. Sad, isn't it, that there are 2 of them :-( -- but only 1 banned. BC -- "There are none so blind as those who will not see." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Basil Chupin [08-31-09 03:16]:

OK, let me - and others - know how you have achieved this? A different wallpaper on each of the six desktops, right? Using 11.1 or 11.2 and KDE4.3, right? And using the 32-bit version of 11.1 or 11.2, right?

x86_64, 11.2/m6 But Clayton has accruately presented the avenue, just follow the steps he presented. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen wrote:

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Basil Chupin [08-31-09 03:16]:

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OK, let me - and others - know how you have achieved this? A different wallpaper on each of the six desktops, right? Using 11.1 or 11.2 and KDE4.3, right? And using the 32-bit version of 11.1 or 11.2, right?

x86_64, 11.2/m6

But Clayton has accruately presented the avenue, just follow the steps he presented.

He accurately presented the (totally undocumented, completely obscure) "avenue" and hand waived the problem away.

Follow Clayton's methods and create four activities for your four desktops.

Come back and tell us how many activities exit after a week of working on the machine. Go ahead, zoom out, and explain why and where those extra activities came from, and how to get rid of them.

And explain how some random activity from among those extra mystery activities somehow takes over one of your four desktops upon the slightest whim. And explain how to get it back the way it was.

For the rest of us, who only wanted different wallpaper on our four or six desktops, this is a wrestling match that don't want. I can just launch a calculator on the desktop I want it to appear on. It stays there. Its there when I reboot. I don't have to reconfigure it every three days.

There is only one reliable way to hold this mess together in 4.3, and that is to make copies of every thing that begins with the word "plasma" in your .kde/share/config directory against the day (very soon) that your desktop goes wonky again.

John, see my response to Clayton. There is another step one has to go thru which will create a desktop equivalent (well....) to what one had in KDE3. I haven't yet tried to emulate what you talk about above but from what I have done I am not having disasters. My only complaint so far is that the configuration to auto-hide the taskbar/taskmanager will not "stick" and the damn 'bar comes back visible after a reboot. BC -- Great Man reaches complete understanding of the main issues; Petty Man reaches complete understanding of the minute details." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* John Andersen [09-01-09 15:23]:

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

I did pretty much exactly what you did, (only four desktops).

I skipped the step you mentioned:

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*AND*, before all this will work, one has to also select the Folder View for the desktop. "

because I don't want folder view. That allows you to view a folder as your desktop which is pretty much required if you want to have icons on the desktop as I understand.

I don't use "folder view". I use "desktop" view and add a widget, "Folder View", to the desktop. You can tell it to display the contents of the desktop or and folder/directory. It *is* different and requires a "little getting used to" and some investigation. But it works and pretty good. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* John Andersen [09-01-09 17:26]:

Yet again today, I zoomed out, saw 6 Activities for my 4 desktops. And NONE of them had the red X so that I could delete them.

Change to "folder view" before zooming out and you will have the "rec X". I am considering filing a bug report against this situation. I believe that *any* of the views should allow removing activities. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen wrote:

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* John Andersen [09-01-09 17:26]:

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Yet again today, I zoomed out, saw 6 Activities for my 4 desktops. And NONE of them had the red X so that I could delete them.

Change to "folder view" before zooming out and you will have the "rec X". I am considering filing a bug report against this situation. I believe that *any* of the views should allow removing activities.

Thanks but... No, unfortunately, switching to folder view did not reveal any red X's.

But hey, thanks for the two NEW Activities it ginned up out of thin air by following your suggestion. ;-) I'm sure that wasn't intentional on your part.

But it did suggest an experiment. So I stepped to another desktop, and switched to Folder View. It cloned that desktop's activity too!!! Now I have 8 activities for 4 desktops, and I still have two desktops I have not played with yet.

Maybe Basil was right. You have to run in folder View to keep things under control.

But Still no red X to bee seen.

Luckily I do all my testing for KDE4 in a virtual machine.

I am at the point may just nuke this Virtual machine and start over.

Hold the phone... After getting into folder view and then UN-Checking one Activity per Desktop, my Red Xs are back. I can now delete activities and start over. -- We need to install /dev/vice. Its a device for developers. Each time they make boneheaded untested software we add 1 to /dev/vice. This tightens the vice mounted on their chair. JSA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* John Andersen [09-01-09 18:45]:

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Hold the phone...

After getting into folder view and then UN-Checking one Activity per Desktop, my Red Xs are back.

I can now delete activities and start over.

Please elaborate: "UN-Checking one Activity per Desktop".

Cashew / Zoom out / Configure Plasma Workspaces / Different Activity for each Desktop -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [08-31-09 03:16]:

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OK, let me - and others - know how you have achieved this? A different wallpaper on each of the six desktops, right? Using 11.1 or 11.2 and KDE4.3, right? And using the 32-bit version of 11.1 or 11.2, right?

x86_64, 11.2/m6

But Clayton has accruately presented the avenue, just follow the steps he presented.

He only put forward the beginning of the procedure. He left out some bits (and so did you it seems) -- see my response to his post. BC -- Great Man reaches complete understanding of the main issues; Petty Man reaches complete understanding of the minute details." Confucius -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Clayton wrote:

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Nokia with the N900 series of device seem to have dropped Maemo Linux in favour of Windows 7.

Ummm... they have? Last I checked the N900 was Maemo/Linux based....

C.

Things seem to have moved on.. (UK bank holiday weekend :-) )... The N900 is apparently so... http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/27/nokia_n900/ what I was really thinking about was the 3G (which I seem to being referred to as the N900 somewhere)... http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/26/nokia_arm_netbook/ Always get a little confusing following the nokia release/rumour mill As following reports of the N97 revamp (which is Symbian based) tends to confirm http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/26/n97_mini_pictures/ How long Nokia will support 3 devices on 3 different OS's covering the same market and which actually hits the street in any numbers is a moot point (the N8xx hardly set the world alight, over priced and under performed according to many reports, and the N900 may be an attempt to flog a dead horse)... but one does get the impression the right hand does not know what the left is doing... - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkqeOVoACgkQasN0sSnLmgItiQCePVy+Tb5ClR/tGSHu8uRb1bg7 e38AoNca4nd7LGJu2P5cOXLlLgy8Uljg =xHAV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org