The time has come that I want to start "updating" my homepage on a more frequent basis than "when the planets align" ;) Right now, my home page [hopefully correctly referenced in my .sig] is rather simplistic and is "easy enough" to edit w/vi, but I want to improve upon it a bit -- you know, better organization, maybe a more-appropriate background page, creating photo albums on a regular basis, etc. This will quickly do both of two things: 1) exceed my patience in editing it with vi 2) require more organization than ad-hoc addition of pages [ok, so it's probably like millions of other websites out there based on point 2 alone, but that's no reason to let it remain "sloppy"] So I'm looking for a decent "wysiwyg" html editor for linux. a google search turned up two obvious ones, and some deeper searching found a third. 1) coffeecup -- this is a windows port, and from all (recent) accounts, "they just don't get it" -- this is NAGware [timed demo, big ugly screen-real-estate-stealing banner, etc.] It also isn't exactly wysiwyg from the reviews I've read so far. 2) bluefish -- regarded as "much better", but still not wysiwyg. Turns out I only have the gtk1 libraries, so I could only use v0.7; v0.8 requires gtk2 libs [and a host of related sub-libraries] Seems this has a "preview in netscape", but I haven't installed netscape... 3) quanta + -- just in looking around for it prior to downloading, I found that the latest kde 3.1 release already has this; the "standard" update instructions for going from kde 3.0 to 3.1 end up not installing this if you didn't already have it in stalled [however, I had downloaded the entire set of RPM's from the KDE site, so I already had it] This is a little better than bluefish in some ways, but still "isn't quite wysiwyg" -- you still edit tags directly, but on the plus side there is a quick "preview" button that switches from text-your-working-on to a rendered-version-of-the-page. Unless I missed something, it doesn't appear that you can "edit" while in "preview" mode Does anyone have other suggestions for a true "see the effects as you type" html editor? are they only "commercial" ventures? [I found references to hotmetal pro and ibm's homepage builder for websphere, but funding is an issue right now] Looking forward to suggestions Tom -- Yet another Blog: http://osnut.homelinux.net
* On Thursday 06 February 2003 08:18 pm, Tom Emerson wrote:
The time has come that I want to start "updating" my homepage on a more frequent basis than "when the planets align" ;) (snip) Does anyone have other suggestions for a true "see the effects as you type" html editor? are they only "commercial" ventures? [I found references to hotmetal pro and ibm's homepage builder for websphere, but funding is an issue right now]
Looking forward to suggestions
Tom ======================== Tom, Have you tried the one included with Mozilla? I understand it is pretty close to what you want, although I have not tried it myself. Don't remember the name right now either. :o)
Patrick --- KMail v1.5 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.1 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
* On Thursday 06 February 2003 08:18 pm, Tom Emerson wrote:
The time has come that I want to start "updating" my homepage on a more frequent basis than "when the planets align" ;) (snip) Does anyone have other suggestions for a true "see the effects as you type" html editor? are they only "commercial" ventures? [I found references to hotmetal pro and ibm's homepage builder for websphere, but funding is an issue right now]
The Websphere one is a Windows application running under a hacked version of WINE, and it sucks in a MAJOR way.... Have a look at QUANTA, or the Mozilla editor. Jon
On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 21:21, Jon Biddell wrote:
Have a look at QUANTA, or the Mozilla editor.
or bluefish or amaya. Those four are all fairly decent, although mozilla is the closest to a "true" wysiwyg editor. Oh, and check the latest downloads on them, most of them have improved quite a bit since the 8.1 CD versions -- JericAtSbcglobalDotNetwork 10:29pm up 3 days, 1:28, 8 users, load average: 0.26, 0.18, 0.14 "I do not believe in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." -Thomas Carlysle
On Thursday 06 February 2003 06:21 pm, Jon Biddell wrote:
* On Thursday 06 February 2003 08:18 pm, Tom Emerson wrote:
The time has come that I want to start "updating" my homepage on a more frequent basis than "when the planets align" ;)
(snip)
Does anyone have other suggestions for a true "see the
effects as you
type" html editor? are they only "commercial" ventures? [I found references to hotmetal pro and ibm's homepage builder for
websphere,
but funding is an issue right now]
The Websphere one is a Windows application running under a hacked version of WINE, and it sucks in a MAJOR way....
Have a look at QUANTA, or the Mozilla editor.
Jon
How does one kick Quanta into WISIWYG mode?? The best I can muster with it is a preview... Its a long way from WISIWYG -- _________________________________________________ John Andersen / Juneau Alaska
On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 23:21, John Andersen wrote:
How does one kick Quanta into WISIWYG mode??
I don't think you can.
The best I can muster with it is a preview... Its a long way from WISIWYG
I agree, although it is still one of the better ones for Linux, but it has a long way to go. The funny thing is, the preview window didn't even work simultaniously as you code in quanta 3.0 (but 3.1 came out last, week which fixed this). It is not fully wysiwyg, but it does have on the fly auto tag completion and suggestions, which is nice. -Jeric -- JericAtSbcglobalDotNetwork 7:21am up 3 days, 10:20, 8 users, load average: 0.18, 0.17, 0.08 "I do not believe in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." -Thomas Carlysle
On Thursday 06 February 2003 7:21 pm, Jon Biddell wrote:
* On Thursday 06 February 2003 08:18 pm, Tom Emerson wrote:
The time has come that I want to start "updating" my homepage on a more frequent basis than "when the planets align" ;)
The Websphere one is a Windows application running under a hacked version of WINE, and it sucks in a MAJOR way....
yes, I'm aware that it is a wine-based port -- it's installing as I write this [one "odd thing" about IBM's webpage and konquerer -- when you findally get to the page where you can download the "trial" version, the link is a button, not a "link", so you can't right-click/save-as -- instead, clicking the button causes it to download as an RPM, meaning that it fires up an RPM viewer/installer in the konq window -- navigating away --INSTANTLY-- zaps the 20meg download file kept in /tmp/kde-<uname> [one of those things that "if you know about it", you can go into a command line and copy it to a safe place before installing/moving to a different page/whatever] --wait, I'm almost speaking too soon here: seems there are two buttons, the first downloads via ftp, which causes konq to auto-open; the second downloads via http, which gives me a "save as" option -- weird... Oh well, at least I can diddle around with the trial for a while before scraping together $$$
Have a look at QUANTA, or the Mozilla editor.
yes, I did try Quanta (seems it is part of the full KDE 3.1 release -- one of those "oh, by the way, we've included this /by default/ now..." types of things) certainly much smaller than IBM's offering [but then, it isn't carrying around the wine baggage either...] -- Yet another Blog: http://osnut.homelinux.net
On Thursday 06 February 2003 9:28 pm, Tom Emerson wrote:
On Thursday 06 February 2003 7:21 pm, Jon Biddell wrote:
The Websphere one is a Windows application running under a hacked version of WINE, and it sucks in a MAJOR way....
yes, I'm aware that it is a wine-based port -- it's installing as I write
OK, it's an hour or so later, I've "diddled" with it on an EXISTNG page/site, and, well, "it leaves something to be desired" -- not only is it running "on a special version of wine", but it appears to be a windows 3.1 or (at best) w95 port to boot! The "file open" dialog box listed [and I kid you not] desktop my computer Home (C:) System (D:) / (E:) and the "default" for webpage names was set to .htm, not .html Upon opening a webpage, a dialog box popped up claiming "fixing errors", and it changed a number of internal references to drive-letter-based references On the plus side, however, I could type things and "see" where they were going in relation to other text & elements: graphics, paragraphs, table entries, and so on. Oh well, I guess I have 59 more days to learn how it is "supposed" to work... -- Yet another Blog: http://osnut.homelinux.net
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