Attention mailing list manager: Suggestion for mailing list
On most lists when you read a posted message then hit "reply" the To: field is automatically filled in with the "list-post" address, i.e. it will be sent to the list. However whatever mailing list manager SuSE uses here fills in the reply-to address of the person who's post you're reading (as I'm sure you're all well aware of). I find this really annoying, and several times have accidently sent things to a person instead of to the list. Is there anyway y'all @ SuSE would please consider fixing that? I consider it a bug, not a feature :-) Thanks, Jonathan Wilson System Administrator Cedar Creek Software http://www.cedarcreeksoftware.com Central Texas IT http://www.centraltexasit.com
At 12:22 AM 1/11/2001, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
I find this really annoying, and several times have accidently sent things to a person instead of to the list.
Is there anyway y'all @ SuSE would please consider fixing that? I consider it a bug, not a feature :-)
I believe this was a fixed to another email problem that happened a while back. Some twit had an "on vacation" auto-responder for his email. Subsequently, every email sent from the list caused the auto-responder to send a message back to the list. I think this situation lasted about a weak before someone at SuSE stepped in and changed the reply to the individual rather than the list. This is annoying either way. The current configuration prevents the loop from happening. Could be worst... when my company was hit hard by the ILOVEYOU virus, I got 100 emails with the virus and 100 emails from the anti-virus program informing me that the infected email has been nuked. I gave the I.T. department the bird and switched over to Eudora during that week. Christopher Reimer
Hi, On Thu, Jan 11 2001 at 02:22 -0600, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
On most lists when you read a posted message then hit "reply" the To: field is automatically filled in with the "list-post" address, i.e. it will be sent to the list. However whatever mailing list manager SuSE uses here fills in the reply-to address of the person who's post you're reading (as I'm sure you're all well aware of).
I find this really annoying, and several times have accidently sent things to a person instead of to the list.
Is there anyway y'all @ SuSE would please consider fixing that? I consider it a bug, not a feature :-)
Nevertheless it is a feature. If the reply-to header was set to point back to the mailing list, every automated "I'm out of office" reply and most "mailbox full" error messages would be delivered to the list which would result in mail loops. Ciao, Stefan -- Stefan Troeger o _ _ _ stefan@troeger.st __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) _`\<, _`\<, _>(_) (_)/<_ \_| \ _|/' \/ (_)/(_) (_)/(_) (_) (_) (_) (_)' _\o_
i think this is a "feature" - it is set up in such a way that it requires a bit of thought to send something to the list in response to a question or somesuch - this keeps the list volume of redundancy down... to reply to the list as well as the person asking the question, one simply has to use "reply all" which is a feature of most (some?) mail readers. this method does have the minor drawback of email doubling up on the original poster's end, but it's far better, in my opinion, than the list bubbling over with answers to simple questions that have been covered 4 thousand times already. my 2 cents. sent using "reply all" f // |5.0.2.1.0.20010111021852.02e2ea60@mail.claborn.net |01/01/11 3:22 AM |Jonathan Wilson <wilson@claborn.net>
On most lists when you read a posted message then hit "reply" the To: field is automatically filled in with the "list-post" address, i.e. it will be sent to the list. However whatever mailing list manager SuSE uses here fills in the reply-to address of the person who's post you're reading (as I'm sure you're all well aware of).
I find this really annoying, and several times have accidently sent things to a person instead of to the list.
Is there anyway y'all @ SuSE would please consider fixing that? I consider it a bug, not a feature :-)
Thanks,
Jonathan Wilson System Administrator
On Thu, Jan 11, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
On most lists when you read a posted message then hit "reply" the To: field is automatically filled in with the "list-post" address, i.e. it will be sent to the list. However whatever mailing list manager SuSE uses here fills in the reply-to address of the person who's post you're reading (as I'm sure you're all well aware of).
I find this really annoying, and several times have accidently sent things to a person instead of to the list.
Is there anyway y'all @ SuSE would please consider fixing that? I consider it a bug, not a feature :-)
This discussion comes up every few months. Perhaps it should be included in an FAQ :-) Whether or not lists should have an Reply-To-header seems to me a kind of religious thing. Some people could start a war about it (if they could afford it). We have chosen not to create a reply-to-header. The mailing list is already crowded enough. We think it is better to require some thought before sending off a message to thousands to people and possibly annoying them. This way, only one could get annoyed with our decision--the author of the email. If we changed it, thousands could get annoyed about messages sent to the list accidently. There are more reasons on the web, just search for the phrase "Reply-To considered harmful". I won't comment on this topic further, since I'm tired of these threads :-O sorry, Jonathan, you probably haven't seen them, and I don't intend to offend you. Of course, if a significant number of people on this list want it changed, we can make a formal voting. Ciao, Michael -- ============================================================================= Michael Radziej SuSE GmbH phone +49-911-74053-646 Interne EDV Deutschherrenstr. 15-29 fax +49-911-3206727 Michael.Radziej@suse.de 90443 Nürnberg, Germany web http://www.suse.de ============================================================================= Router, my router, I'm weary | O packet, dear packet and sad | don't worry too much I'm already dizzy | 'cause there are still going in circles like mad | some technicians on watch
Michael Radziej schrieb:
On Thu, Jan 11, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
On most lists when you read a posted message then hit "reply" the To: field is automatically filled in with the "list-post" address, i.e. it will be sent to the list. However whatever mailing list manager SuSE uses here fills in the reply-to address of the person who's post you're reading (as I'm sure you're all well aware of).
I find this really annoying, and several times have accidently sent things to a person instead of to the list.
Is there anyway y'all @ SuSE would please consider fixing that? I consider it a bug, not a feature :-)
This discussion comes up every few months. Perhaps it should be included in an FAQ :-)
Whether or not lists should have an Reply-To-header seems to me a kind of religious thing. Some people could start a war about it (if they
not! it is not sort of religious. it is a practical question!
could afford it). We have chosen not to create a reply-to-header. The mailing list is already crowded enough. We think it is better to require some thought before sending off a message to thousands to people and possibly annoying them.
On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Oliver Ob wrote: oo> Michael Radziej schrieb: oo> oo> > On Thu, Jan 11, Jonathan Wilson wrote: > > > On most lists when oo> you read a posted message then hit "reply" the To: field is oo> automatically filled in with the "list-post" address, i.e. it will oo> be sent to the list. However whatever mailing list manager SuSE oo> uses here fills in the reply-to address of the person who's post oo> you're reading (as I'm sure you're all well aware of). > > > > I oo> find this really annoying, and several times have accidently sent oo> things to a person instead of to the list. > > > > Is there anyway oo> y'all @ SuSE would please consider fixing that? I consider it a oo> bug, not a feature :-) > > This discussion comes up every few oo> months. Perhaps it should be included > in an FAQ :-) > > Whether oo> or not lists should have an Reply-To-header seems to me a kind > oo> of religious thing. Some people could start a war about it (if oo> they oo> oo> not! it is not sort of religious. it is a practical question! oo> The reason for this is because of improperly configured mailservers or mailservers with small limits o nthe users mailboxes. What has happened in the past is that when a message would bounce, it would reply back to the list, thus flooding the list with (sometimes) hundreds of messages about Jo Schmoes email box being too full or what not. To prevent this, the list has opted to change the Reply-To list to a Reply-To sender so that the message's being bounced wouldn't end up on the list itself. If it's that much a bother, you can always have procmail add a Reply-To for you so that it will be the way you want, but you may want to make sure your system is properly configured or you'll one day realize that you were removed from the list. oo> > oo> > could afford it). We have chosen not to create a reply-to-header. The oo> > mailing list is already crowded enough. We think it is better to oo> > require some thought before sending off a message to thousands to oo> > people and possibly annoying them. oo> > oo> -- S.Toms - tomas@primenet.com - www.primenet.com/~tomas SuSE Linux v7.0+ - Kernel 2.2.18 Nature is by and large to be found out of doors, a location where, it cannot be argued, there are never enough comfortable chairs. -- Fran Leibowitz
"S.Toms" wrote:
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The reason for this is because of improperly configured mailservers or mailservers with small limits o nthe users mailboxes. What has happened in the past is that when a message would bounce, it would reply back to the list, thus flooding the list with (sometimes) hundreds of messages about Jo Schmoes email box being too full or what not. To prevent this, the list has opted to change the Reply-To list to a Reply-To sender so that the message's being bounced wouldn't end up on the list itself. If it's that much a bother, you can always have procmail add a Reply-To for you so that it will be the way you want, but you may want to make sure your system is properly configured or you'll one day realize that you were removed from the list.
Ah! here is another of the List-Old-Timers remembering the good old days when on a friday night in winter were all the SuSE staff was on hollidays or cought the flue Joe Smith mailbox ran over and created a mail loop... ;-) Oh boy, it's boring now! Here is the procmail receipt genorously mailed to the list in those days when the galactical empire was a galactical empire, real man were real man, real women real women and real furry creatures from alpha centauri were guess what ... ;-) :0f * ^X-Mailinglist: suse-linux-e | formail -bfi "Reply-To: SuSE Linux English <suse-linux-e@suse.com>" continue to enjoy! Juergen -- =========================================== __ _ Juergen Braukmann juergen.braukmann@gmx.de| -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb@db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu | /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ===========================================_\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\
On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 juergen.braukmann@ruhr-west.de wrote: jb> "S.Toms" wrote: jb> > jb> > [reply to in list messages] jb> jb> > If it's that much a bother, you can always have procmail add a Reply-To jb> > for you so that it will be the way you want, but you may want to make sure jb> > your system is properly configured or you'll one day realize that you were jb> > removed from the list. jb> > jb> jb> Here is the procmail receipt genorously mailed to the list in those days jb> when the galactical empire was a galactical empire, real man were real jb> man, real women real women and real furry creatures from alpha centauri jb> were guess what ... ;-) jb> jb> :0f jb> * ^X-Mailinglist: suse-linux-e jb> | formail -bfi "Reply-To: SuSE Linux English <suse-linux-e@suse.com>" jb> Yep, that would be it :) I've actually changed it a bit on my system since then, but same principal. jb> continue to enjoy! jb> jb> Juergen jb> jb> -- S.Toms - tomas@primenet.com - www.primenet.com/~tomas SuSE Linux v7.0+ - Kernel 2.2.18 "I can resist anything but temptation."
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