On Thursday 12 June 2008 09:09:58 pm Richard wrote:

On Thursday 12 June 2008 4:42:57 pm David C. Rankin wrote:

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        New laptop arrives choking on Vista premium home edition. The first and only dvd to find it way into the dvd drive -- openSuSE 10.3. Bye bye Vista...

David, be careful how you delete Vista, if you do. I made the mistake of simply deleting the partition and had to do some magical ms incantations to get my hd to come back up and be recognized. It had to do with the way they label the drives with vista. Dont remember all the details as I did it a year ago. Next time I'll simply make that partition very small and repartition the rest for Linux.

Richard

Next time try: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 it should be enough to make drive like new. If that fails, than bigger 'bc' and 'count' up to the size of hard disk when multiplied, will make it factory new. -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Ben Kevan wrote:

On Thursday 12 June 2008 07:09:58 pm Richard wrote:

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On Thursday 12 June 2008 4:42:57 pm David C. Rankin wrote:

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New laptop arrives choking on Vista premium home edition. The first and only dvd to find it way into the dvd drive -- openSuSE 10.3. Bye bye Vista...

David, be careful how you delete Vista, if you do. I made the mistake of simply deleting the partition and had to do some magical ms incantations to get my hd to come back up and be recognized. It had to do with the way they label the drives with vista. Dont remember all the details as I did it a year ago. Next time I'll simply make that partition very small and repartition the rest for Linux.

Richard

Sounds like you didn't have a SAS driver or a driver for your Hard Drive. You just need to download the manufac. driver put it on a floppy (or does vista support cd's now?) and load during installation.

'Splain that Ben, what is a sas driver? (Still trying to get my head around SATA, not worked my way up to sas yet). Is there another thing that end up being a binary driver? -- ----------JSA--------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen wrote:

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Ben Kevan wrote:

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On Thursday 12 June 2008 07:09:58 pm Richard wrote:

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New laptop arrives choking on Vista premium home edition. The first and only dvd to find it way into the dvd drive -- openSuSE 10.3. Bye bye Vista... David, be careful how you delete Vista, if you do. I made the mistake of simply deleting the partition and had to do some magical ms incantations to get my hd to come back up and be recognized. It had to do with the way

On Thursday 12 June 2008 4:42:57 pm David C. Rankin wrote: they label the drives with vista. Dont remember all the details as I did it a year ago. Next time I'll simply make that partition very small and repartition the rest for Linux.

Richard Sounds like you didn't have a SAS driver or a driver for your Hard Drive. You just need to download the manufac. driver put it on a floppy (or does vista support cd's now?) and load during installation.

'Splain that Ben, what is a sas driver? (Still trying to get my head around SATA, not worked my way up to sas yet).

ATA => SATA (Serial Attached ATA) SCSI => SAS ( Serial Attached SCSI)

Is there another thing that end up being a binary driver?

No. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard" To: Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse] Poetic Justice On Thursday 12 June 2008 4:42:57 pm David C. Rankin wrote:

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New laptop arrives choking on Vista premium home edition. The first and only dvd to find it way into the dvd drive -- openSuSE 10.3. Bye bye Vista...

David, be careful how you delete Vista, if you do. I made the mistake of simply deleting the partition and had to do some magical ms incantations to get my hd to come back up and be recognized. It had to do with the way they label the drives with vista. Dont remember all the details as I did it a year ago. Next time I'll simply make that partition very small and repartition the rest for Linux. -------- I and others have deleted all manner of vista istalls and installed all manner and combination of partitions and os's on the same drives. The new boot loader in vista IS a fat pain in rear to deal with, but that only affects vista unless you are trying to use vistas boot loader to load other os's. For him installing only linux as he said, there is no problem as long as linux supports the hardware. On my Vaio TZ which came with vista and an 8g recovery partition which also housed the instant-on (dvd player without OS), I now have, the original partitions and boot sector are utterly gone and instead is grub and 4 partitions, ubuntu, windows xp, freebsd, sco open server 5.0.7 . Originally I was preserving the original vista install for a while, however shrinking it and using the 8g partition for other stuff, and every tiniest change broke vista from booting and I had to use the bcd editor in "boot-it ng" (commercial bootable cd & util) to fix it while every other os booted fine. Delicate piece of junk. ... eh, ok so maybe editing the bcd is not so different from having to edit /etc/fstab to reflect say a change in partition number. Though, fstab is a plain text file and dead simple to edit with any live cd that can read the filesystem. whereas the bcd is not. xp was actually the least delicate amusingly. -- Brian K. White brian@aljex.com http://www.myspace.com/KEYofR +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++. filePro BBx Linux SCO FreeBSD #callahans Satriani Filk! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 12 June 2008 11:15:52 pm Evens Garde wrote:

If you're REMOVING Vista (rather than dual-boot), the none of that matters, as you can simply have the new SuSE install just overwrite the the MBR and the partition table.

It sure didn't work that way. The first thing I tried was the Suse install disk. Once I deleted vista and its label, nothing, not even an old windows disk with the old fdisk would change the mbr and let the hd boot 'til I used the Parted on Knoppix to redo the mbr. It was as if the hd wasnt there! Things may have changed since a year ago but back then it was a bear to find what the problem was. Maybe it had to do with it being a Dell laptop and it loves Vista. I figured MS was back to it's old tricks as they did with drdos and os2. Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org