Re: [opensuse] Yast bad manners
Hi Carlos, I don't know whether this is a feature or not but this happens to me as well using 10.2 and KDE. Saludos, Martin ----- Original Message ---- From: Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> To: OS <opensuse@opensuse.org> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:50:33 PM Subject: [opensuse] Yast bad manners -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Situation: 10.2, gnome. I fire up Yast, then software management (for instance). As I know it is going to take some time, I minimize it and continue typing elsewhere... and hey! Yast pops up un-minimized, grabbing the focus, and not yet ready, as it is loading catalogs. I minimize it again... and again it un-minimizes automatically. This did not happen with 10.1. Three times at least has Yast the bad manners of not staying put, minimized out of the way :-( Is this a bug? Is it intentional (aka feature)? Can I somehow tell gnome not to allow this pesky behaviour? To be sure, it is not the only app that does this - OO does similarly - but today I'm picking on yast O:-) - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFF2Y8KtTMYHG2NR9URAkhvAJ416eJ6/EiML/AT1mRLGBpERChgMACdFF1W g6AB56qUYSF6Z/4DzG8ryZA= =7/xL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-02-19 at 07:47 -0800, Martin Mielke wrote:
Hi Carlos,
I don't know whether this is a feature or not but this happens to me as well using 10.2 and KDE.
So it is not a gnome problem. We know something more :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFF2ciNtTMYHG2NR9URAvXjAJ0V0S4c/ty77+K9px7hR1OHDWS1CwCgjPQt wKzI0Uy3bteTuDawDVxwKOw= =IpvO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2007-02-19 09:55, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2007-02-19 at 07:47 -0800, Martin Mielke wrote:
Hi Carlos,
I don't know whether this is a feature or not but this happens to me as well using 10.2 and KDE.
So it is not a gnome problem. We know something more :-)
In KDE, you can force a program not to steal focus. You can also force it onto a specific desktop. I haven't used them, so don't know how well they work, but I have got into the habit of loading various programs in different desktops, mostly to avoid desktop clutter. I haven't used Gnome at all, so don't know if/how you would approach it there, but once Yast loads, you could try a right-click on the title bar, left click on properties, and look for "window-specific settings" in the pop-up. -- Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. -- HG Wells -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 19 February 2007 12:56, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2007-02-19 09:55, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2007-02-19 at 07:47 -0800, Martin Mielke wrote:
Hi Carlos,
I don't know whether this is a feature or not but this happens to me as well using 10.2 and KDE.
So it is not a gnome problem. We know something more :-)
In KDE, you can force a program not to steal focus. You can also force it onto a specific desktop. I haven't used them, so don't know how well they work, but I have got into the habit of loading various programs in different desktops, mostly to avoid desktop clutter.
Yep, doesn't happen here, UNLESS I stay on the same desktop. So now I always open a new application on a different desktop. Hey, you can have how many ??? 12 ??? Now when I return to the desktop where I opened the othe app. be it Yast or OO, it is sitting there waiting for me. Bob S. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 20 February 2007, Bob S wrote:
So now I always open a new application on a different desktop. Hey, you can have how many ??? 12 ??? Now when I return to the desktop where I opened the othe app. be it Yast or OO, it is sitting there waiting for me.
Bob S.
I've often wondered, but never took any measures to find out, what the memory use implications of many many desktops was? Assuming minimal wallpaper (or none), is it more efficient to use more desktops or more apps on fewer desktops? -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 01:24, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 20 February 2007, Bob S wrote:
So now I always open a new application on a different desktop. Hey, you can have how many ??? 12 ??? Now when I return to the desktop where I opened the othe app. be it Yast or OO, it is sitting there waiting for me.
Bob S.
I've often wondered, but never took any measures to find out, what the memory use implications of many many desktops was?
Assuming minimal wallpaper (or none), is it more efficient to use more desktops or more apps on fewer desktops? _____________________________________ John Andersen
Every window has to be backed up for the time you don't see it. So, it depends how large are windows is there any gain if you have lesser desktops and more windows per desktop. In functionality there is no much gain if you keep all opened windows on all desktops in one taskbar, but that's another story. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-02-21 at 21:06 -0600, Rajko M. wrote:
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 01:24, John Andersen wrote:
I've often wondered, but never took any measures to find out, what the memory use implications of many many desktops was?
Assuming minimal wallpaper (or none), is it more efficient to use more desktops or more apps on fewer desktops?
Every window has to be backed up for the time you don't see it. So, it depends how large are windows is there any gain if you have lesser desktops and more windows per desktop.
They are not backed, they are fully redrawn. I mean, applications in the "other" workspace do not use image memory, they are "out of display" or something. I know, or I guess, because if you have an application that takes a long time to redraw, like OOo, and you jump to its workspace, you see it blank and then it starts to redraw. The other method, giving it a virtual display, would use more resources and memory, but jumping would be way faster. At least, that's how they behave in gnome. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFF3Q5xtTMYHG2NR9URAg0KAKCEKgY1WX/aJ3gOA7j9iv7CMLwZKwCeLkkX XfzMwg6BKYYEELUCFT81mpU= =Lyj2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 21:30, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Wednesday 2007-02-21 at 21:06 -0600, Rajko M. wrote:
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 01:24, John Andersen wrote:
I've often wondered, but never took any measures to find out, what the memory use implications of many many desktops was?
Assuming minimal wallpaper (or none), is it more efficient to use more desktops or more apps on fewer desktops?
Every window has to be backed up for the time you don't see it. So, it depends how large are windows is there any gain if you have lesser desktops and more windows per desktop.
They are not backed, they are fully redrawn. I mean, applications in the "other" workspace do not use image memory, they are "out of display" or something. I know, or I guess, because if you have an application that takes a long time to redraw, like OOo, and you jump to its workspace, you see it blank and then it starts to redraw. The other method, giving it a virtual display, would use more resources and memory, but jumping would be way faster.
At least, that's how they behave in gnome.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
They use some memory anyway :-) It seems that it depends on available graphic memory. With 256 MB card switch between desktops is instantenuous without redrawing. The older with 4 MB is showing what you described. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-02-21 at 22:17 -0600, Rajko M. wrote:
They use some memory anyway :-)
It seems that it depends on available graphic memory. With 256 MB card switch between desktops is instantenuous without redrawing. The older with 4 MB is showing what you described.
Ah. Mine has 64MiB, and I'm using a depth of 24 at 1204x768... That may be it. [...]. Well, no, that's 2.25 MiB. I'm using 9 workspaces, so that makes 20.25 MiB. There should be memory enough. Unless there is a setting somewhere... :-? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD4DBQFF3ZLptTMYHG2NR9URAjhsAJdVF7YYq60vb9Ke4QRFb1QLlqkjAJwL7Uad bn4LVKESxqReulMpvYaugA== =EaHx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 22 February 2007 06:56, Carlos E. R. wrote:
h. Mine has 64MiB, and I'm using a depth of 24 at 1204x768... That may be it. [...]. Well, no, that's 2.25 MiB. I'm using 9 workspaces, so that makes 20.25 MiB. There should be memory enough.
Unless there is a setting somewhere... :-?
The 2.25 MB per workspaces is a bit small estimate. Desktop alone takes 2.25 MB x 2 = 4.5 MB for background (single color) and background image. For nine of them it is 40.5 MB when they are empty. Layers with icons and taskbar may add another 40.5 MB, depends how this is treated, as whole screen or drawable, but even if it takes lesser memory for taskbar and icons, 40.5 leaves you with 23.5 MB for all other windows. Here we would need somebody that knows how modern graphic adapters work for exact estimates. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. wrote:
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 21:30, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Wednesday 2007-02-21 at 21:06 -0600, Rajko M. wrote:
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 01:24, John Andersen wrote:
I've often wondered, but never took any measures to find out, what the memory use implications of many many desktops was?
Assuming minimal wallpaper (or none), is it more efficient to use more desktops or more apps on fewer desktops? Every window has to be backed up for the time you don't see it. So, it depends how large are windows is there any gain if you have lesser desktops and more windows per desktop. They are not backed, they are fully redrawn. I mean, applications in the "other" workspace do not use image memory, they are "out of display" or something. I know, or I guess, because if you have an application that takes a long time to redraw, like OOo, and you jump to its workspace, you see it blank and then it starts to redraw. The other method, giving it a virtual display, would use more resources and memory, but jumping would be way faster.
At least, that's how they behave in gnome.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
They use some memory anyway :-)
It seems that it depends on available graphic memory. With 256 MB card switch between desktops is instantenuous without redrawing. The older with 4 MB is showing what you described.
X provides two mechanisms by which parts of images that are not visible can be maintained: backing store and save unders. But, the X server is not required to provide them and will in any case generally limit them according to some memory constraint (e.g. graphic memory size). So applications have to be able to deal with complete redraws anyway. What actually happens depends both on the amount of memory and on the implementation of the servers, clients (i.e. applications) and window managers. There could be config settings in any of them. Remember the X motto: "mechanism not policy" :) A very sharp double-edged sword. Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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