On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

Boris Epstein pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:49 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Listmates,

       Resigning to give more time to kde4, I installed kde4.3beta via 1-click. At the time I had the kde4 factory repos for 11.0 enabled. Following the install, Yast crashes with the familiar error:

       That's obviously not what I want to do since I want to test 4.3beta. The problem however is now yast software management is broken for my kde3 install.

For what it's worth, I installed KDE 4.2 last Friday and that seemed to be just fine.

Boris.

4.2 <> 4.3

-- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ken, I couldn't possibly disagree:))) Do you think 4.3 is production-ready, though? I have a feeling it still needs a bit of polishing up before I'd be willing to call it reliable. Boris. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

That's not the point, David was talking about testing 4.3 beta.

Maybe there needs to be a warning that the 1 click install will fail IF you have Factory or Backports enabled. I've had issues with KDE3 and Backports with packages being changed to KDE4 and breaking things(like KNetworkmanager not long ago). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 04 June 2009 02:57:07 am David C. Rankin wrote: ...

When you hit the 1-click, they get installed and break software management...

In other words, you would need YaST from Factory that works with new Qt4 libs. -- Regards, Rajko http://news.opensuse.org/category/people-of-opensuse/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 05:24:56 David C. Rankin wrote:

On Thursday 04 June 2009 11:14:23 Rajko M. wrote:

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On Thursday 04 June 2009 02:57:07 am David C. Rankin wrote: ...

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When you hit the 1-click, they get installed and break software management...

In other words, you would need YaST from Factory that works with new Qt4 libs.

( lightbulb winks on! - Thanks Rajko!)

Ok let's see if we can fix this. The bug with the 1-click-install for kde43beta1 may just be it failure to add factory-oss and upgrade yast when the qt45 libs are pulled in. So:

zypper ar http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss/ factory-oss

zypper ref -r factory-oss

zypper in -r factory-oss yast2

BINGO!

Problem solved. Yast SW Management now seems to be OK. I'll add a few packages and report back if there are further problems.

Unfortunately it hasn't worked for me - Yast2 is still just as broken as before with exactly the same error messages. I think I'm still missing a critical piece here somewhere - I have the qt 4.5.2 devel snapshots installed so maybe that is just one version too far even for factory-oss packages... I'll see about downgrading to qt 4.5.1 and see if that helps. The y2log file shows that yast2 can't load libQtGui.so.4 (which is a symlink to libQtGui.so.4.5.2) so that is possibly a clue... -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ===================================================

Boris Epstein wrote:

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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Boris Epstein pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:49 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Listmates,

Resigning to give more time to kde4, I installed kde4.3beta via 1-click. At the time I had the kde4 factory repos for 11.0 enabled. Following the install, Yast crashes with the familiar error:

That's obviously not what I want to do since I want to test 4.3beta. The problem however is now yast software management is broken for my kde3 install.

For what it's worth, I installed KDE 4.2 last Friday and that seemed to be just fine.

Boris. 4.2 <> 4.3

-- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ken,

I couldn't possibly disagree:)))

Do you think 4.3 is production-ready, though? I have a feeling it still needs a bit of polishing up before I'd be willing to call it reliable.

Boris.

I just took a quick look at 4.3, and I like what I see, but it has still has a few rough edges. I see a whole lot more good than I see bad. I only had one crash assistant issue in my run through (ALL) of the desktop settings. (included as an attachment) If the yast issue on 11.0 is fixed, from what I saw, the desktop would be completely usable ( aside from the known functionality limitations that are being worked ) There were two big issues with kde4.3 I ran into: (1) the desktop was that it did not interface with the downclocking or powerdown features of the fglrx driver causing my laptop to run notably hotter than with kde3/compiz. While it caused the laptop to run hotter (an more fan noise), kde 4.3 did a better job with ATI graphics chip power control than the current (git repository build) of the radeonhd driver. (2) the qt45 libraries installed as part of kde 4.3 completely breaks yast software management on 11.0 The desktop effects were OK, but need polish on the animation timings. The compiz "shift-switcher" clone is jerky regardless of the animation timing setting. The cylinder and sphere effects did not work at all. The cube effect was great once you set the zoom to about 40%. The biggest omission noticed was the complete lack of mouse activation for all of the normal compiz type desktop effect. Having to use ctrl+F8, crtl+F11, ctrl+shift+F11 and ctrl+meta(Alt)+F11 just to activate the scale/pager function and desktop rotation is awkward. I forced myself to configure and use dolphin. No easy way to switch from detail to tree view with the toolbar and minimal right-click preview options, but the devs fixed the focus problem to the right of the filename text. However the big red "minus" and the big green "plus" over the filenames are quite annoying and from what I could tell didn't do anything for you (I'm sure they are supposed to do something, but I haven't gotten that far) Kmail seemed to work fine. I didn't get to eGroupWare integration so I don't know if that is fixed. Compiz on kde 4.3 caused continual kicker crashes. With compiz running, the only was to access the hidden panel was to run your mouse to the left edge of the screen and then straight down to the bottom. You would get your kicker panel back if you timed it right to activate the panel at the right time in between its crash-restart cycle. The fusion-icon task bar access to ccsm and all other compiz options was broken and right-clicking it did nothing but activate the Opera appearance settings?? Manually starting ccsm (full spelling required) through Alt+F2 worked nicely and the "quick-list" of programs as you type is great. (However you can't use the down-arrow key to get to what you want, you are required to reach over and grab the mouse to select what you want) But, after running everything I wanted to/had time to without any more problems than that represents as quantum improvement over my last experience with kde4. I'm going to keep working with it as time permits. I just hope I don't end up having to scrap kde 4.3 completely just to get yast software management back. Hopefully that bug will get worked. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org