* Darryl Gregorash [01-22-22 05:09]:

In Konsole's default configuration, Ctrl-Shift-u is the shortcut to trigger a ZModem upload. ZModem? Excuse me? Get rid of this and restart Konsole.

My Tumbleweed shows "Focus Above Terminal" zmodem upload is <ctrl><alt><u> -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc What sort of day was it? A day like all days, filled with those events that alter and illuminate our times...

On 22/01/2022 14.56, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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* Darryl Gregorash <...> [01-22-22 05:09]:

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In Konsole's default configuration, Ctrl-Shift-u is the shortcut to trigger a ZModem upload. ZModem? Excuse me? Get rid of this and restart Konsole.

My Tumbleweed shows "Focus Above Terminal" In 15.3, that is Ctrl-Shift-Up. Do you think they keep changing these

On 2022-01-22 07:41, Patrick Shanahan wrote: things just to confuse us?

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zmodem upload is <ctrl><alt><u>

This is the third millennium, who uses zmodem anymore?

I googled it. https://www.quora.com/Are-modems-still-used-today «The most recent example I have in mind is related to the recent upheaval in north African countries. Modems were used to bypass the sudden internet blackout the governments imposed to their citizens. Analog telephone lines were used to transmit information and photos abroad, to journalists or social media. I suspect the same process is actually used in countries where internet is highly censured.» People also ask Does anyone use modems anymore? Finally, although the old dial-up modems used for computers are becoming increasingly scarce, they still exist in various FAX devices, including some FAX capable PSC type printer systems. Dial up modems are still used by satellite boxes, alarm systems and similar systems that do not require an 'always-on' connection. Are modems still used today? - Quora Yesterday, my electricity company asked me to *fax* a paper to them. Nobody has a working fax anymore. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 22/01/2022 16.22, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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On 22/01/2022 14.56, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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This is the third millennium, who uses zmodem anymore?

I googled it.

https://www.quora.com/Are-modems-still-used-today

«The most recent example I have in mind is related to the recent upheaval in north African countries. I never thought of that. Maybe soon zmodem will be making a comeback in

On 2022-01-22 08:10, Carlos E. R. wrote: the USA too (*hides*) ;) Now I am sure of one thing -- the analog world will never really completely die.

I have an old 8086 machine. When I get around to recover files from it, I may have to use some serial port method like zmodem. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 2022-01-22 04:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:

El 2022-01-21 a las 18:44 -0600, Darryl Gregorash escribió:

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As reported by several list members, it appears that this no longer works in TW, and I can confirm that it also does not work out-of-box with Leap 15.3. A bit of digging around the web came up with a solution: install the package ibus and reboot. Voilà, it works again, except in a console (including eg. Konsole).

Well, working in the terminal is an absolute need for me, so this solution is not acceptable to me.

Carlos, you have to be the only person on this list who would say this. Refusing to use a partial solution simply because you cannot use it in some particular instance seems rather silly to me. Besides, I already found the solution to enable it in a console, half an hour before you posted your reply.

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By default, this will put a panel in the system tray that allows one to configure the beast to one's preferences. There are also a lot of supplementary packages that I haven't examined yet. I have no idea what any of them do, or why/when they might be needed.

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At least with just this one package, the basic functioning can be restored. Next silly question, why is ibus not included as part of the default configuration at install time?

It got installed by default in my systems some time ago and I had to remove it.

When I was running 15.2, the key combo worked well everywhere. I have no idea if ibus was installed in that system, but I had no reason to go looking. Installing at least the ibus core package is the only resolution I was able to find on the internet. If you can find something else, by all means let us all know.

On 22/01/2022 13.08, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 04:55:48 -0600 Darryl Gregorash <> wrote:

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El 2022-01-21 a las 18:44 -0600, Darryl Gregorash escribió:

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As reported by several list members, it appears that this no longer works in TW, and I can confirm that it also does not work out-of-box with Leap 15.3. A bit of digging around the web came up with a solution: install the package ibus and reboot. Voilà, it works again, except in a console (including eg. Konsole).

Well, working in the terminal is an absolute need for me, so this solution is not acceptable to me. Carlos, you have to be the only person on this list who would say

On 2022-01-22 04:43, Carlos E. R. wrote: this. Refusing to use a partial solution simply because you cannot use it in some particular instance seems rather silly to me. Besides, I already found the solution to enable it in a console, half an hour before you posted your reply.

A partial solution is not valid, as that post was sent using a terminal. Your other post about Zmodem I saw later, so it is a problem specific to konsole, not to terminals.

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By default, this will put a panel in the system tray that allows one to configure the beast to one's preferences. There are also a lot of supplementary packages that I haven't examined yet. I have no idea what any of them do, or why/when they might be needed.

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At least with just this one package, the basic functioning can be restored. Next silly question, why is ibus not included as part of the default configuration at install time?

It got installed by default in my systems some time ago and I had to remove it. When I was running 15.2, the key combo worked well everywhere. I have no idea if ibus was installed in that system, but I had no reason to go looking. Installing at least the ibus core package is the only resolution I was able to find on the internet. If you can find something else, by all means let us all know.

ibus is tabooed on my system. I have no need for multilingual input and don't want all the bloat that ibus brings with it.

Yes, exactly, same reasoning. Actually, I see I have it installed, but not running, AFAIK (I think I removed it in the past, but got installed back). I do write in more than one language, but I don't need different keyboard layouts to do so. ǖ That was: Letter 'u' Ctrl-shift-u 0308 spacebar Ctrl-shift-u 0304 spacebar no ibus needed. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 22/01/2022 14.15, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

On 2022-01-22 06:44, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Carlos, you have to be the only person on this list who would say this. Refusing to use a partial solution simply because you cannot use it in some particular instance seems rather silly to me. Besides, I already found the solution to enable it in a console, half an hour before you posted your reply.

A partial solution is not valid, as that post was sent using a terminal.

What on earth are you talking about? How does it matter what I used to send the email? We are talking here about how to get Ctrl-Shift-u working again in Linux.

/I/ was using alpine, which runs in a terminal. I need solutions that work in the terminal.

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Your other post about Zmodem I saw later, so it is a problem specific to konsole, not to terminals.

Meaning just what exactly? I found a solution that works everywhere, except there is a setting in Konsole that prevented it from working there. I found that as well, and posted how to overcome that. Now you have a complete solution which will restore the ability to enter any Unicode character globally, so what exactly is your problem? You still haven't told us why you "had to" remove ibus from your system.

Why are you so aggressive? :-o I removed ibus long ago, so I don't remember now why. Same situation as Simon. I may investigate why I did so if I have the time and inclination.

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ibus is tabooed on my system. I have no need for multilingual input and don't want all the bloat that ibus brings with it.

Yes, exactly, same reasoning. Actually, I see I have it installed, but not running, AFAIK (I think I removed it in the past, but got installed back). I do write in more than one language, but I don't need different keyboard layouts to do so.

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Letter 'u' Ctrl-shift-u 0308 spacebar Ctrl-shift-u 0304 spacebar

no ibus needed.

And you are running 15.2, yes? It was working OK in that release, stopped working in 15.3 as well as more recent releases of TW (as posted by others).

No, I am using 15.3, see signature.

Did I need to mention explicitly in my initial post that the problem does not appear to exist in 15.2? I rather thought that much was clear, without having to mention it so precisely.

-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 22/01/2022 15.54, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

On 2022-01-22 08:05, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Why are you so aggressive? :-o

Why are you so argumentative? Every solution to a problem that anyone posts meets with some objection from you, and you do not give up. If something does not work for you in a particular instance, then go find something that does -- but there is no need to try to negate the whole solution when it does work. If you don't wish to be bothered to try to find a solution that works for you, fine, don't bother -- but there is no need to cut the whole thing apart when it can (and does) provide a workable solution that others might want to use.

I think it is fair for me to point out the objections.

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Letter 'u' Ctrl-shift-u 0308 spacebar Ctrl-shift-u 0304 spacebar

no ibus needed. And you are running 15.2, yes? It was working OK in that release, stopped working in 15.3 as well as more recent releases of TW (as posted by others).

No, I am using 15.3, see signature.

Then check to see if you have any of the many ibus packages installed; there are quite a few of them, and more than one may provide a solution to this problem. I only tested the one I found mentioned on the internet. But be certain of one thing: on *my* system (also 15.3), without ibus installed, it does not work. And it also fails to work on a lot of the TW installs, as others have reported.

I have it installed, but not running AFAIK, not needed. I can type hexcodes using Ctrl-Shift-u just fine. cer@Telcontar:~> ps afxu | grep -i ibus cer 6098 0.0 0.0 7592 728 pts/70 S+ 19:36 0:00 | | \_ grep --color=auto -i ibus cer@Telcontar:~> So, I don't have a problem entering hexcodes. Others must have a different problem impeding them using this Ctrl-Shift-u trick, but it is not me. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 2022-01-22 08:15, Werner Flamme wrote:

Am 22.01.22 um 13:44 schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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ǖ

That was:

Letter 'u' Ctrl-shift-u 0308 spacebar Ctrl-shift-u 0304 spacebar

All I get is ṻ after the first spacebar, the next Ctrl-shift-u actions does not modify it.

U+0308 is "COMBINING DIAERESIS", U+0304 is "COMBINING MACRON" here.

You are correct. Interesting, I just discovered this: Ctrl-Shift-u 0308 spacebar u gives u-umlaut while Ctrl-Shift-u 304 spacebar u gives ̄u. I always wondered what things like this were all about :D>

Besides, why would I enter so many keystrokes when I can do it with fewer? ;)

But it is so elegant to see that you can produce the same thing in so many different ways, isn't it? :D

On 22/01/2022 15.15, Werner Flamme wrote:

Am 22.01.22 um 13:44 schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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Huh. Something funny happened here. In Thunderbird, that letter was displayed as "ü" then a separate dash above; but when I hit reply, it corrected itself to a single char. In the terminal it displays perfectly, and I can see both the dots and the line above the 'u'.

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That was:

Letter 'u' Ctrl-shift-u 0308 spacebar Ctrl-shift-u 0304 spacebar

All I get is ṻ after the first spacebar, the next Ctrl-shift-u actions does not modify it.

U+0308 is "COMBINING DIAERESIS", U+0304 is "COMBINING MACRON" here.

I confess I have no idea of those letters.

I think you created "LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS AND MACRON", which ist produced by Ctrl-shift-u 01d6 spacebar here, looking like ǖ in this mail (and a tad different in Konsole).

While you are using a console(?), I'm using Konsole. Maybe that's the difference?

I am using a terminal (xfce4-terminal) sometimes. The crucial difference may be that I'm not using KDE/Plasma, but humble XFCE.

Besides, why would I enter so many keystrokes when I can do it with fewer? ;)

Oh, it is not my idea :-) I'm curious about this method, maybe there is some useful combo I can use. But for me, the compose key is better suited, and it is currently working, although via an activation method I do not like. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 2022-01-22 06:08, Dave Howorth wrote:

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When I was running 15.2, the key combo worked well everywhere. I have no idea if ibus was installed in that system, but I had no reason to go looking. Installing at least the ibus core package is the only resolution I was able to find on the internet. If you can find something else, by all means let us all know.

ibus is tabooed on my system. I have no need for multilingual input and don't want all the bloat that ibus brings with it.

Fine, if you don't need it, don't use it. But this method allows one to enter any Unicode character at all, without the need for installing multiple keyboards. Of particular interest to me personally are all the neat mathematical symbols that aren't normally included in compose tables. There is a lot more to Unicode than just multilingual support. I'm not sure just what "bloat" you are talking about; checking in htop, I see that ibus takes up negligible memory, and eats up negligible CPU time. For both you and Carlos: I have precisely one keyboard installed. Between compose tables and Unicode support, I don't need any others.

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Mh, i remember also some problems with ibus installed in tumbleweed. maybe a year? in past.

did anybody remember why?

i have only written down a note that tells me "do not install ibus" but not why, maybe the problem is now gone?

Can't speak for others, on my systems ibus is loccked (out) because it interfered with XCompose, mainly in XTerms. Not sure if that is still the case, but XCompose does all I need, so why bother?