Op zondag 20 oktober 2002 11:04, schreef Matthew Johnson:

On Sun, 2002-10-20 at 01:38, Alex wrote:

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Hey guys i'm sorta new to Linux here, I noticed none of the SuSE FTP mirrors currently have 8.1 on them. Am i to understand they haven't been released yet? If they have been, where might i find them?

Alex

Give it about a month or so, but you'll probably get a heads up from one of the SuSE folk.

You won't get an ISO, but will get an FTP install, which by most accounts is much better than ISO's...

Matt

Check the 8.1 dir. The readme says they will release it in the third week of october. It should be on all the mirrors after a few days after it has been released. I'm really looking forward to it.

On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, Matthew Johnson wrote:

You won't get an ISO, but will get an FTP install, which by most accounts is much better than ISO's...

And how exactly is that? Have you ever tried an FTP install from home? Even over a cable-modem? Rohit -- (+91-22-692) 2101 D2, floor-3, Chand : SE : TLSI : 3578 SuSE 8.0 2.4-18-4GB on i686 : sendmail-8.9.3-42 : pine-4.44-121 rohit.sharma@iitbombay.org [maximus_two@yahoo.com] 9821394599@bplmobile.com ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Anders Johansson wrote:

I think you just answered your own question there. Have you ever tried an ISO download from home? Even over a cable modem?

Most of us have good/decent/speedy connections at office - or some friend of ours has the same at University, or at office - where a .ISO can be downloaded and burnt - and then shared freely amongst 50-100 people very well. When I needed installation media for my standalone home PC, I preferred Red Hat ISOs to SUSE's HDD based installation. Because - RHL was available - and becuase HDD based installation for 8.0 is BUGGY and IMPOSSIBLE. At least I am yet to meet someone who did it successfully. Although - I am going to dedicate my efforts in creating bootable ISOs - when I have more time. 7 days have gone in already - and I know three ways how it won't work.

With ftp installs you download what you install, no more. With ISOs you download the lot, whether you need it or not.

Duh ! Even a minimal download of a consistent system would be some 400 MB of so. Fat selective improvement !!! Tried doing that successfully over a dial-up line? Rohit ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

On Wednesday 27 November 2002 16:04 pm, Philipp Thomas wrote:

* Anders Johansson (anders.johansson@bolina.hsb.se) [20021023 07:55]:

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This message is confidential. If you read it, you're in violation of the EULA you accepted by opening this mail. Please report to the nearest police station for immediate incarceration

Methinks you missed to entire point. It's a joke... a simple joke. Read it again and see if it sounds real to you.

What do you expect if clueless management doesn't understand the way e-mail works and decides that such a footer is appended by the server?

Luckily I won't see that disclaimer anymore and any other signature that I decide to filter :) t-prot works like charm for me.

Now if you ask what t-prot is, it's a perl script you can plug into mutt and which will hide TOFU, overlong signatures, mailing list footers and adfooters. With it's sample muttrc, you can toggle between displaying ond hiding them. You can also use it as a filter in your MTA to bounce mails.

I got the tip on the german suse-linux and promptly made packages (t-prot needs the Getopt-Mixed perl module) for the next version of SuSE Linux. I'll make the perl-Getopt-Mixed.rpm for 8.1 available via pub/people/pthomas/t-prot but the t-prot package has to wait until I get answer from its author regarding the license.

For folks that want to check it out right away, the URL is //www.escape.de/users/tolot/mutt

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Anders Johansson [27 Nov 2002 23:59:29]:

It looks interesting. I wonder if it could be made to work with other mailers.

I guess it could, but I don't know other MUAs. What you basically need is a hook in the pager to attach your filter. But I'll leave that to those that know their MUA and will gladly include it :) Philipp -- Philipp Thomas work: pthomas@suse.de Development SuSE Linux AG private: pth@t-link.de

* Anders Johansson (andjohNOSPAM@rydNOSPAMsbo.net) [021127 15:43]:

[1] What is the correct terminology here? I've heard "envelope sender" a couple of times, but I've never heard a term for the From: address in the DATA section of the mail. Anyone?

"Header From", "From header". Isn't English great? -- -ckm

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I guess it could, but I don't know other MUAs. What you basically need is a hook in the pager to attach your filter. But I'll leave that to those that know their MUA and will gladly include it :)

I will definitely look at it. kmail doesn't use a "pager" in that sense, so I suspect one would have to some coding. I still have to rewrite my previous hack. So much work, so little "geist" :)

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On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Rohit wrote:

On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, Matthew Johnson wrote:

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You won't get an ISO, but will get an FTP install, which by most accounts is much better than ISO's...

And how exactly is that? Have you ever tried an FTP install from home? Even over a cable-modem?

I have. On a 256Kb DSL line. Yast seemed to believe it would take 50 or so hours, but it guessed wrong. I started it before going to bed, and when I got up it was finished. That is roughly the same time it would have taken me to download 1 CD, but SuSE is 6 CDs (If you don't need the sources.) I am pretty sure I have some stuff that would have been on each of the 6 CDs, so for me it took a 6th of the download time to use ftp instead if ISOs. BTW, I selected a lot of "extras" during package selection, so the gain would be larger for people with smaller needs. After all, who really needs several desktop environments and the -devel packages for everything. Cutting the download time to a 6th (or smaller) would mean even larger time savings for modem users. It is a different matter if you are going to install a whole bunch of machines, but I only have one, so for me the ftp install was a huge benefit. (And how many home users have a whole bunch of machines?) Regards Ole