[opensuse] Kmail behavior
Hello, all-- I have set up my Kmail in 9.3 to look much like Eudora, and, with the exception of the font size problem, which no-one was able to fix, I am happy with it, but with one exception: when I save a particular mail, that mail persists on the screen in the background. I saved it, already, and it's on the display as an entry in the received mail, so I could go back and read it again if I wanted to. Why is it retained on screen behind the KMail screen? You guys in Germany who run this thing--if you still do--should fix this. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 20 Feb 2007, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Hello, all--
I have set up my Kmail in 9.3 to look much like Eudora, and, with the exception of the font size problem, which no-one was able to fix, I am happy with it, but with one exception: when I save a particular mail, that mail persists on the screen in the background. I saved it, already, and it's on the display as an entry in the received mail, so I could go back and read it again if I wanted to. Why is it retained on screen behind the KMail screen? You guys in Germany who run this thing--if you still do--should fix this.
--doug
I suspect it's done in the same way as if you were saving an email you were drafting and hadn't sent yet. If i try to save an incoming email, it gives me a "Save as" dialog but I'm using Kmail 1.9.6 so it may be different to your version. If you think this is a bug that needs fixing, then you should report a bug through the normal process. I personally don't see this as a bug, it just the way its been designed to work which is ok as I don't save incoming emails in this way. regards Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 15:18, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Hello, all--
I have set up my Kmail in 9.3 to look much like Eudora, and, with the exception of the font size problem, which no-one was able to fix, I am happy with it, but with one exception: when I save a particular mail, that mail persists on the screen in the background. I saved it, already, and it's on the display as an entry in the received mail, so I could go back and read it again if I wanted to. Why is it retained on screen behind the KMail screen? You guys in Germany who run this thing--if you still do--should fix this.
Your terminology is confusing. What is retained where? KMail has windows while the system as a whole has (display) screens. Are you just talking about a message window? If so, simply close it. Saving a message is distinct from deleting it, of course. Why would you expect the application to close a message window (or delete the message) just because you saved a copy to a plain file? It's perhaps a bit odd that if you delete a message, either by moving it to the trash mailbox or by deleting it outright and that message is open in a separate window, that window is not closed by the application.
--doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 18:39, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 15:18, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Hello, all--
I have set up my Kmail in 9.3 to look much like Eudora, and, with the exception of the font size problem, which no-one was able to fix, I am happy with it, but with one exception: when I save a particular mail, that mail persists on the screen in the background. I saved it, already, and it's on the display as an entry in the received mail, so I could go back and read it again if I wanted to. Why is it retained on screen behind the KMail screen? You guys in Germany who run this thing--if you still do--should fix this.
Your terminology is confusing. What is retained where? KMail has windows while the system as a whole has (display) screens. Are you just talking about a message window? If so, simply close it. Saving a message is distinct from deleting it, of course. Why would you expect the application to close a message window (or delete the message) just because you saved a copy to a plain file?
It's perhaps a bit odd that if you delete a message, either by moving it to the trash mailbox or by deleting it outright and that message is open in a separate window, that window is not closed by the application.
--doug
Well, let's put it this way: If I read a message, and then go on to the next message by hitting the X in the top right corner, nothing is saved on screen. If I save a message, and then go on to another message by hitting the X, I still go to the next message, but the one that I saved to a directory is still on screen behind the new message. This is dumb, and should be fixed. Sure I can de-picture it, but why should I have to? I have, after all, saved it. Why is it still on screen behind the KMail window? --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 17:12, Doug McGarrett wrote:
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Well, let's put it this way:
If I read a message, and then go on to the next message by hitting the X in the top right corner, nothing is saved on screen. If I save a message, and then go on to another message by hitting the X, I still go to the next message, but the one that I saved to a directory is still on screen behind the new message. This is dumb, and should be fixed. Sure I can de-picture it, but why should I have to? I have, after all, saved it. Why is it still on screen behind the KMail window?
You've really got to be more clear about what actions you're taking and what undesirable results ensue. No one I know uses the term "de-picture," e.g. And while I suspect I know what you mean by "hit the X," you really should talk about the logical action, namely, closing a window. It's not clear whether you're seeing graphical artifacts ("still on screen behind the new message") or application behavior (a window that is not closed when, say, you delete the message it was displaying). And as I said, it's a bit odd that deleting a message in KMail does not cause a separate window displaying that message to be closed, it's a minor oddity, I'd say. And again, saving a message (to a file?) does not delete the message from the mailbox, nor should it!
--doug
RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 20 February 2007, Doug McGarrett wrote:
If I read a message, and then go on to the next message by hitting the X in the top right corner, nothing is saved on screen. If I save a message, and then go on to another message by hitting the X,
What is this X you are hitting. Are you double clicking each message to bring up the message reader window? Why do that? The preview window has all the functionality of the reader. Just single click each message and it appears in the preview message. There is no need to "save it" in a subdirectory. (Learn to create filters and have kmail file things in the proper directory). But most of all - stop trying to make kmail behave like eudora. Its pointless and futile. Do not fear change. You will find Kmail far superior to Eudora if you just let it be Kmail. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 22:23, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 20 February 2007, Doug McGarrett wrote:
If I read a message, and then go on to the next message by hitting the X in the top right corner, nothing is saved on screen. If I save a message, and then go on to another message by hitting the X,
What is this X you are hitting.
Are you double clicking each message to bring up the message reader window? Why do that? The preview window has all the functionality of the reader.
Just single click each message and it appears in the preview message. There is no need to "save it" in a subdirectory. (Learn to create filters and have kmail file things in the proper directory).
But most of all - stop trying to make kmail behave like eudora. Its pointless and futile. Do not fear change. You will find Kmail far superior to Eudora if you just let it be Kmail.
-- _____________________________________ John Andersen
If I had to use KMail in its original form, I would get my Windows machine fixed and use Eudora. The original form of KMail, with its "preview window" is a PITA. I don't want to see 5 lines at a time, I want to see a screenful of the message. Fortunately, KMail can do that, even tho you do have to double-click to bring up the message. No problem--my fingers still function. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Doug, On Wednesday 21 February 2007 11:48, Doug McGarrett wrote:
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If I had to use KMail in its original form, I would get my Windows machine fixed and use Eudora.
There are also Evolution, Thunderbird (or Seamonkey) and Sylpheed in addition to the character-mode mail clients, if you're into that sort of thing.
The original form of KMail, with its "preview window" is a PITA. I don't want to see 5 lines at a time, I want to see a screenful of the message.
The relative size of the preview pane vs. the message / mailbox list is up to you. You can also control the relative placement of the preview pane w.r.t. the message list (below or beside, i.e.). There's a "long" vs. "short" folder list option, but I don't know the difference between them and I don't want to take the risk of perturbing my carefully laid out KMail display configuration just to find out.
Fortunately, KMail can do that, even tho you do have to double-click to bring up the message. No problem--my fingers still function.
--doug
Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 11:48, Doug McGarrett wrote:
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... Fortunately, KMail can do that, even tho you do have to double-click to bring up the message. No problem--my fingers still function.
You can also hit return while the message in question is selected in the message list. You can configure the keyboard shortcuts associated all manner of actions in KMail, including navigation between messages in the message list.
--doug
RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 20:48, Doug McGarrett wrote:
If I had to use KMail in its original form, I would get my Windows machine fixed and use Eudora. The original form of KMail, with its "preview window" is a PITA. I don't want to see 5 lines at a time, I want to see a screenful of the message.
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* Doug McGarrett
If I had to use KMail in its original form, I would get my Windows machine fixed and use Eudora. The original form of KMail, with its "preview window" is a PITA. I don't want to see 5 lines at a time, I want to see a screenful of the message. Fortunately, KMail can do that, even tho you do have to double-click to bring up the message. No problem--my fingers still function.
You have terrrrible problems. If you dislike kmail so much or cannot get it to look/act/do what you wish, what is stopping you from using another different mail client? After all, there are probably only 30 or 40 different possibilities. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 13:48, Doug McGarrett wrote:
The original form of KMail, with its "preview window" is a PITA. I don't want to see 5 lines at a time, I want to see a screenful of the message. Fortunately, KMail can do that, even tho you do have to double-click to bring up the message. Nonsense...
... the divider bar between the preview panel (bottom) and the message listbox (top) is moveable. Grab the bar with your mouse and move it up... the top panel gets smaller and the bottom panel gets bigger.... then maximize the kmail app and whalla... the preview panel will actually be larger than the message box when you double click the listbox entries. By the way, the bar to the left is also moveable if you need more left-to-right space... and you might also want to adjust your font size. There is absolutely no reason to double click the listbox items (waist of time and memory). -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 19:12, Doug McGarrett wrote: <snip>
Well, let's put it this way:
If I read a message, and then go on to the next message by hitting the X in the top right corner, nothing is saved on screen. If I save a message, and then go on to another message by hitting the X, I still go to the next message, but the one that I saved to a directory is still on screen behind the new message. This is dumb, and should be fixed. Sure I can de-picture it, but why should I have to? I have, after all, saved it. Why is it still on screen behind the KMail window?
It's very confusing trying to figure out what you're trying to get across to us. It might help a lot if you can take a snapshot of what it is you say is happening, then we can see it and maybe help a little better. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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