I use SuSE 9.1 Kernel 2.6.8 with realplayer 10.0.1 (the .bin file). when I start it up, nothing appears to happen. The process is still running, but LITERALLY an hour-and-a-half later is when the GUI finally appears. What in the World could be causing this? -Steven
On Friday 22 October 2004 9:48 pm, Steven Pasternak wrote:
I use SuSE 9.1 Kernel 2.6.8 with realplayer 10.0.1 (the .bin file). when I start it up, nothing appears to happen. The process is still running, but LITERALLY an hour-and-a-half later is when the GUI finally appears. What in the World could be causing this?
did it maybe have to update some codecs or drivers for that particular movie?? my son sent me a .WMV movie, and I haven't been able to find anything to play that, do you know if that is possible? -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800
On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 05:49 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Friday 22 October 2004 9:48 pm, Steven Pasternak wrote:
I use SuSE 9.1 Kernel 2.6.8 with realplayer 10.0.1 (the .bin file). when I start it up, nothing appears to happen. The process is still running, but LITERALLY an hour-and-a-half later is when the GUI finally appears. What in the World could be causing this?
did it maybe have to update some codecs or drivers for that particular movie?? my son sent me a .WMV movie, and I haven't been able to find anything to play that, do you know if that is possible?
You should be able to play .wmv files with MPlayer and the w32 codecs installed. See http://packman.links2linux.org/?action=128 David -- Registered Linux User No 207521 The Linux Counter: http://counter.li.org/ "The above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head."
On Saturday 23 October 2004 6:13 am, David Robertson wrote:
my son sent me a .WMV movie, and I haven't been able to find anything to play that, do you know if that is possible?
You should be able to play .wmv files with MPlayer and the w32 codecs installed.
it isn't listed under search or packages when I check YAST, why is that? -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800
Paul Cartwright writes:
On Saturday 23 October 2004 6:13 am, David Robertson wrote:
You should be able to play .wmv files with MPlayer and the w32 codecs installed.
it isn't listed under search or packages when I check YAST, why is that?
Because mplayer isn't bundled in SuSE Linux. You can also use xine (or kaffeine, which uses the xine engine) to play the same files. Xine and kaffeine are included with SuSE. -Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik
On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 06:30, Ti Kan wrote:
Paul Cartwright writes:
On Saturday 23 October 2004 6:13 am, David Robertson wrote:
You should be able to play .wmv files with MPlayer and the w32 codecs installed.
it isn't listed under search or packages when I check YAST, why is that?
Because mplayer isn't bundled in SuSE Linux. You can also use xine (or kaffeine, which uses the xine engine) to play the same files. Xine and kaffeine are included with SuSE.
-Ti -- Ti Kan http://www.amb.org/ti Vorsprung durch Technik
SuSE distributes versions of Mplayer and xine that have certain playback capabilities turned off permanently, at compile time, or effectively disabled because certain libraries & codecs have not been included -- for copyright and other legal reasons. The easiest way to enable most of these 'switched-off' capabilities is to install 'aftermarket' rpms from sites like packman. [While you're there, and depending upon your browser preferences, you might also want to look at mplayerplug-in or Plugger.] In any case, take your time, read all the fine print and follow all the links pertaining to dependencies. You shouldn't have much trouble :-) regards, - Carl
One of the reasons I've permanently switched from Red Hat (which I've used daily since 7.1) is the embedded support for mp3s. I got tired of loading the mp3 rpms every time there was a new release. SuSE 9.1 also happens to run really nicely on my notebook, but this crippled Xine is even worse than what RH did with XMMS - at I could download a rpm to get it running. I've tried getting libdvdcss to run under both Fedora and S.u.S.E. and the Fedora procedure was much simpler because of the uncrippled Xine. The Pacman resource is a great one, but some of the packages that particular version depends on seem to be dated (curl) and conflict with other packages. It seems strange that Novell would crippled Xine, yet include support for mp3s. I wish DVD manufacturers would get their heads out of the sand and start looking at a more open paradigm - imagine the advances possible.
On Monday 25 October 2004 03:52 pm, Charles McColm wrote:
One of the reasons I've permanently switched from Red Hat (which I've used daily since 7.1) is the embedded support for mp3s. I got tired of loading the mp3 rpms every time there was a new release. SuSE 9.1 also happens to run really nicely on my notebook, but this crippled Xine is even worse than what RH did with XMMS - at I could download a rpm to get it running.
I've tried getting libdvdcss to run under both Fedora and S.u.S.E. and the Fedora procedure was much simpler because of the uncrippled Xine. The Pacman resource is a great one, but some of the packages that particular version depends on seem to be dated (curl) and conflict with other packages.
It seems strange that Novell would crippled Xine, yet include support for mp3s.
I wish DVD manufacturers would get their heads out of the sand and start looking at a more open paradigm - imagine the advances possible. =======
Charles, SuSE's xine is not actually crippled, in the sense you seem to be putting it, but it won't play DVDs or some other files, like .wma or newer .mov until you add those codecs. The files needed for that are few and should not be producing any conflicts. You may be getting some dependencies due to not having all the files you need to complete your task, but no conflicts. Everything is available easily from Packman's site and should only be a matter of you downloading and updating/installing those. Otherwise, xine works just great for many files already, .mpg, mp3, ogg, .mpeg, some .mov, realplayer, etc. Crippled software doesn't do those things, but if you are having problems with the most simple files, you might want to look elsewhere for your answers to the problem. Regards, Lee
On Monday 25 October 2004 04:02 pm, BandiPat wrote:
Otherwise, xine works just great for many files already, .mpg, mp3, ogg, .mpeg, some .mov, realplayer, etc. Crippled software doesn't do those things, but if you are having problems with the most simple files, you might want to look elsewhere for your answers to the problem.
Regards, Lee
Ahh, no, its not that simple. I had xine working just fine under 8.2, libdvdcss & all. I upgraded to 9.1 and it still worked. Then one day i did a fresh install of 9.2, and xine was broke. dvdnav would not load, dvdcss did not work any more. Surfed on over to packman and installed everything they had. Still nothing. xine will not play encrypted dvds. My dvd reader never did have a region code set, and it used to work under 8.2, but not any more, nor, inspite of several tries , am I able to get a working xine. There is more to it than you imply, and I have not yet figured it out, but this is the exact same hardware that worked under 8.2. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 06:23, John Andersen wrote:
On Monday 25 October 2004 04:02 pm, BandiPat wrote:
Otherwise, xine works just great for many files already, .mpg, mp3, ogg, .mpeg, some .mov, realplayer, etc. Crippled software doesn't do those things, but if you are having problems with the most simple files, you might want to look elsewhere for your answers to the problem.
Regards, Lee
Ahh, no, its not that simple. I had xine working just fine under 8.2, libdvdcss & all.
I upgraded to 9.1 and it still worked.
Then one day i did a fresh install of 9.2, and xine was broke. dvdnav would not load, dvdcss did not work any more. Surfed on over to packman and installed everything they had. Still nothing. xine will not play encrypted dvds.
My dvd reader never did have a region code set, and it used to work under 8.2, but not any more, nor, inspite of several tries , am I able to get a working xine. There is more to it than you imply, and I have not yet figured it out, but this is the exact same hardware that worked under 8.2. Suse seems to have written protection into the xine libraries, I tried for two days with theirs, I reloaded and started again several times too, The only way, is to remove xine and all deps and reinstall from from somewhere else. I did it from source forge. and compiled but there are sites with rpms, a friend of mine did it with apt4suse. So try a few of these.
Any one know if this has been sorted out in 9.2 or is it the same. because if it is then I won't sell any suse 9.2, I had more than enough grief with 9.1 and I have lost so many customers as a result of this. When will suse learn multimedia is the most common use of a computer on the desktop, so they break it and refuse to fix it. mmm! :-{ -- Chadley Wilson Redhat Certified Technician Cert Number: 603004708291270 Pinnacle Micro Manufacturers of Proline Computers ==================================== Exercise freedom, Use LINUX =====================================
On Monday 25 October 2004 08:38 pm, Chadley Wilson wrote:
Suse seems to have written protection into the xine libraries, I tried for two days with theirs, I reloaded and started again several times too, The only way, is to remove xine and all deps and reinstall from from somewhere else. I did it from source forge. and compiled but there are sites with rpms, a friend of mine did it with apt4suse. So try a few of these.
Any one know if this has been sorted out in 9.2 or is it the same. because if it is then I won't sell any suse 9.2, I had more than enough grief with 9.1 and I have lost so many customers as a result of this. When will suse learn multimedia is the most common use of a computer on the desktop, so they break it and refuse to fix it. mmm! :-{
I've long suspected that SuSE put something in there that prevented it from working even if you searched down the appropriate libs and et. al. This is going way too far. Who paid them to do that? I didn't do a code dif to prove it, but nothing else I can imagine would prevent a complete rebuild from Pacman from working. I might have to compile from tarballs. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 07:34, John Andersen wrote:
On Monday 25 October 2004 08:38 pm, Chadley Wilson wrote:
Suse seems to have written protection into the xine libraries, I tried for two days with theirs, I reloaded and started again several times too, The only way, is to remove xine and all deps and reinstall from from somewhere else. I did it from source forge. and compiled but there are sites with rpms, a friend of mine did it with apt4suse. So try a few of these.
Any one know if this has been sorted out in 9.2 or is it the same. because if it is then I won't sell any suse 9.2, I had more than enough grief with 9.1 and I have lost so many customers as a result of this. When will suse learn multimedia is the most common use of a computer on the desktop, so they break it and refuse to fix it. mmm! :-{
I've long suspected that SuSE put something in there that prevented it from working even if you searched down the appropriate libs and et. al. This is going way too far. Who paid them to do that?
I didn't do a code dif to prove it, but nothing else I can imagine would prevent a complete rebuild from Pacman from working.
I might have to compile from tarballs. Well thats what I did and kaffien broke so I had to reinstall that too. -- Chadley Wilson Redhat Certified Technician Cert Number: 603004708291270 Pinnacle Micro Manufacturers of Proline Computers ==================================== Exercise freedom, Use LINUX =====================================
On Monday 25 October 2004 03:52 pm, Charles McColm wrote:
One of the reasons I've permanently switched from Red Hat (which I've used daily since 7.1) is the embedded support for mp3s. I got tired of loading the mp3 rpms every time there was a new release. SuSE 9.1 also happens to run really nicely on my notebook, but this crippled Xine is even worse than what RH did with XMMS - at I could download a rpm to get it running.
I've tried getting libdvdcss to run under both Fedora and S.u.S.E. and the Fedora procedure was much simpler because of the uncrippled Xine. The Pacman resource is a great one, but some of the packages that particular version depends on seem to be dated (curl) and conflict with other packages.
It seems strange that Novell would crippled Xine, yet include support for mp3s.
I wish DVD manufacturers would get their heads out of the sand and start looking at a more open paradigm - imagine the advances possible.
=======
Charles, SuSE's xine is not actually crippled, in the sense you seem to be putting it, but it won't play DVDs or some other files, like .wma or newer .mov until you add those codecs.
The files needed for that are few and should not be producing any conflicts. You may be getting some dependencies due to not having all the files you need to complete your task, but no conflicts. Everything is available easily from Packman's site and should only be a matter of you downloading and updating/installing those.
Otherwise, xine works just great for many files already, .mpg, mp3, ogg, .mpeg, some .mov, realplayer, etc. Crippled software doesn't do those things, but if you are having problems with the most simple files, you might want to look elsewhere for your answers to the problem.
Regards, Lee Lee since no-one on this list (to my knowlege) has actually posted a list of files to be installed from packman maybe you could be so kind as to assist. I know that libdvdcss is the biggest problem, you can't hire a DVD that is not encrypted. So the first thing I start with is libdvdcss. simply adding this along with libdvdread and libdvdplay should get it working,
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 02:02, BandiPat wrote: libdvdread and play are on the discs but libdvdcss must be downloaded. I have installed the packman one which IIRC was libdvdcss2, Now I am not talking about any other file format, Just encrypted DVD. They don't work, why? Libdvdcss2 has a bundle of dependencies. This is what starts the dependancy wars on most systems. -- Chadley Wilson Redhat Certified Technician Cert Number: 603004708291270 Pinnacle Micro Manufacturers of Proline Computers ==================================== Exercise freedom, Use LINUX =====================================
Op dinsdag 26 oktober 2004 07:38, schreef Chadley Wilson:
Lee since no-one on this list (to my knowlege) has actually posted a list of files to be installed from packman maybe you could be so kind as to assist.
Isn't this what you're looking for? http://packman.links2linux.org/?action=124
I know that libdvdcss is the biggest problem, you can't hire a DVD that is not encrypted. So the first thing I start with is libdvdcss.
Look at the bottom of the page mentioned above.
simply adding this along with libdvdread and libdvdplay should get it working, libdvdread and play are on the discs but libdvdcss must be downloaded. I have installed the packman one which IIRC was libdvdcss2, Now I am not talking about any other file format, Just encrypted DVD. They don't work, why? Libdvdcss2 has a bundle of dependencies.
This is what starts the dependancy wars on most systems.
-- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
Op dinsdag 26 oktober 2004 07:38, schreef Chadley Wilson:
since no-one on this list (to my knowlege) has actually posted a list of files to be installed from packman maybe you could be so kind as to assist.
The dependencies are inside the libxine1 rpm, there is no need to post the list. Just use a decent package installer. # apt install libxine1 Reading Package Lists... Building Dependency Tree... The following extra packages will be installed: libtheora speex w32codec-all The following NEW packages will be installed: libtheora libxine1 speex w32codec-all 0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 removed and 56 not upgraded. Need to get 20.9MB/21.1MB of archives. After unpacking 49.4MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
Chadley Wilson wrote:
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 02:02, BandiPat wrote:
On Monday 25 October 2004 03:52 pm, Charles McColm wrote:
One of the reasons I've permanently switched from Red Hat (which I've used daily since 7.1) is the embedded support for mp3s. I got tired of loading the mp3 rpms every time there was a new release. SuSE 9.1 also happens to run really nicely on my notebook, but this crippled Xine is even worse than what RH did with XMMS - at I could download a rpm to get it running.
I've tried getting libdvdcss to run under both Fedora and S.u.S.E. and the Fedora procedure was much simpler because of the uncrippled Xine. The Pacman resource is a great one, but some of the packages that particular version depends on seem to be dated (curl) and conflict with other packages.
It seems strange that Novell would crippled Xine, yet include support for mp3s.
I wish DVD manufacturers would get their heads out of the sand and start looking at a more open paradigm - imagine the advances possible.
=======
Charles, SuSE's xine is not actually crippled, in the sense you seem to be putting it, but it won't play DVDs or some other files, like .wma or newer .mov until you add those codecs.
The files needed for that are few and should not be producing any conflicts. You may be getting some dependencies due to not having all the files you need to complete your task, but no conflicts. Everything is available easily from Packman's site and should only be a matter of you downloading and updating/installing those.
Otherwise, xine works just great for many files already, .mpg, mp3, ogg, .mpeg, some .mov, realplayer, etc. Crippled software doesn't do those things, but if you are having problems with the most simple files, you might want to look elsewhere for your answers to the problem.
Regards, Lee
Lee since no-one on this list (to my knowlege) has actually posted a list of files to be installed from packman maybe you could be so kind as to assist. I know that libdvdcss is the biggest problem, you can't hire a DVD that is not encrypted. So the first thing I start with is libdvdcss. simply adding this along with libdvdread and libdvdplay should get it working, libdvdread and play are on the discs but libdvdcss must be downloaded. I have installed the packman one which IIRC was libdvdcss2, Now I am not talking about any other file format, Just encrypted DVD. They don't work, why? Libdvdcss2 has a bundle of dependencies.
This is what starts the dependancy wars on most systems.
I use Mplayer downloaded from packman to watch DVD's and I think it works great, Suse is the best Linux OS(in my opinion) but they should make Xine available for anyone who would rather use it.
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 22:46, you wrote:
I use Mplayer downloaded from packman to watch DVD's and I think it works great, Suse is the best Linux OS(in my opinion) but they should make Xine available for anyone who would rather use it.
Mplayer is good but I find to be to unstable, for example a movie will exit half way through, some of the dvd menus are unusable, when movies start in window mode mplayer always places the video window somewhere off the screen, it is fine at 1028X1024 res because you can grab the edge of the windows and drag it back, I have also found that when you skip forward by dragging the position slider to , say about the middle of the movie it jumps back to the beginning somewhere. If you have two movie files in the playlist when the second one starts you have exit fullscreen and re-enter full screen mode. because on start of the second track the display in fullscreen mode remains blank. -- Chadley Wilson Redhat Certified Technician Cert Number: 603004708291270 Pinnacle Micro Manufacturers of Proline Computers ==================================== Exercise freedom, Use LINUX =====================================
On Tuesday, 26 October 2004 07.38, Chadley Wilson wrote:
Libdvdcss2 has a bundle of dependencies.
It does? Such as what? All I can see is glibc By the way, while the default suse xine is crippled for some proprietary codecs (which is pretty simple to recompile, there are instructions in the spec), DVDs can be played (assuming you have libdvdcss2 installed) simply by renaming /usr/share/xine/skins/xine-ui_logo-crippled.mpv to /usr/share/xine/skins/xine-ui_logo.mpv. But of course, it's still a good idea to install the latest version from packman, because there have been tremendous improvements. After installing libxine1, xine-ui and libdvdcss2 from packman (a five minute job) I have *never* failed to get dvd playing running, I really would like to know what it is that makes this so difficult for others
On Tuesday, 26 October 2004 07.38, Chadley Wilson wrote:
Libdvdcss2 has a bundle of dependencies.
It does? Such as what? All I can see is glibc
By the way, while the default suse xine is crippled for some proprietary codecs (which is pretty simple to recompile, there are instructions in the spec), DVDs can be played (assuming you have libdvdcss2 installed) simply by renaming /usr/share/xine/skins/xine-ui_logo-crippled.mpv to /usr/share/xine/skins/xine-ui_logo.mpv.
But of course, it's still a good idea to install the latest version from packman, because there have been tremendous improvements.
After installing libxine1, xine-ui and libdvdcss2 from packman (a five minute job) I have *never* failed to get dvd playing running, I really would like to know what it is that makes this so difficult for others
-- Speaking of libdvdcss2... I did an ftp install of 9.1, night before last, and then used APT to retrieve MPlayer (& Xine came along with it). MPlayer
On 07:18 Wed 27 Oct , Anders Johansson wrote: played one of my encrypted DVDs w/o problems but Kaffeine complained it was encrypted so could not be read. Anyone know why this might happen? -- "Yogi" CH Namast� Yoga Studio
On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 11:50, C Hamel wrote: [snip]
Speaking of libdvdcss2... I did an ftp install of 9.1, night before last, and then used APT to retrieve MPlayer (& Xine came along with it). MPlayer played one of my encrypted DVDs w/o problems but Kaffeine complained it was encrypted so could not be read. Anyone know why this might happen?
-- "Yogi" CH Namast� Yoga Studio
Howdy CH MPlayer is not based on xine, but Kaffeine *is.* They're entirely separate efforts. That's why one worked and the other didn't. regards, - Carl (CH#2?) ;-)
On 13:41 Wed 27 Oct , Carl Hartung wrote:
On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 11:50, C Hamel wrote: [snip]
Speaking of libdvdcss2... I did an ftp install of 9.1, night before last, and then used APT to retrieve MPlayer (& Xine came along with it). MPlayer played one of my encrypted DVDs w/o problems but Kaffeine complained it was encrypted so could not be read. Anyone know why this might happen?
-- "Yogi" CH Namast� Yoga Studio
Howdy CH
MPlayer is not based on xine, but Kaffeine *is.* They're entirely separate efforts. That's why one worked and the other didn't.
regards,
- Carl (CH#2?) ;-)
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Got it. Thanks. :-) I guess libdvdcss2 is in order. -- "Yogi" CH Namast� Yoga Studio
On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:48, Anders Johansson wrote:
After installing libxine1, xine-ui and libdvdcss2 from packman (a five minute job) I have *never* failed to get dvd playing running, I really would like to know what it is that makes this so difficult for others
I'm not complaining at all, and I think one should try things out before asking for help, but I can't get it right yet, and since you asked :) here is my experience. I followed this thread for some time and then went to packman to get the appropriate packages. It looks like the major package to get is libdvdcss2 so I tried downloading that. The link on the packman site for downloading libdvdcss2 took me to a page in german which I do not understand. At the bottom of that page is the link to download libdvdcss2-1.2.8-0.pm.2.nosrc.rpm and a GPG-Signatur .asc file. The file size (from the rpm itself) is supposed to be 213.8 kilobites. I repeatedly tried to download the file and I only get a 9.6 kilobite file? If I try to install this file with rpm -ivh the file seems to install but rpm -qa shows no rpm installed. It also complains that certain user (a german name I think) does not exist so it is insalling it as root? Is this the right url for packman? http://packman.links2linux.org/?action=124 I found libdvdcss-1.2.8.tar.gz, I think through a link in packman and I know generally how to install this type of file, but is this the right file to install for Suse 9.1 pro? Perhaps the german page gives instructions, but since the packman page is in english this seems strange. I also looked at the Suse unofficial FAQ but there is nothing there about playing DVD's. By the way I have been using linux for about five years and I got DVD's to play on Red Hat - several versions, and it was much easier than this (I've switched over - not a complaint). I know I havent asked any questions and I will probaly keep trying on my own, but as a desktop user (with no programming skills) I find this unnecessarily difficult. Having said this I would also like to say that Suse 9.1 has been a breeze to configure in virtually everything else. Gus.
On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 14:49 +0530, rada and gus wrote:
On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:48, Anders Johansson wrote:
After installing libxine1, xine-ui and libdvdcss2 from packman (a five minute job) I have *never* failed to get dvd playing running, I really would like to know what it is that makes this so difficult for others
I'm not complaining at all, and I think one should try things out before asking for help, but I can't get it right yet, and since you asked :) here is my experience. I followed this thread for some time and then went to packman to get the appropriate packages.
It looks like the major package to get is libdvdcss2 so I tried downloading that. The link on the packman site for downloading libdvdcss2 took me to a page in german which I do not understand. At the bottom of that page is the link to download libdvdcss2-1.2.8-0.pm.2.nosrc.rpm and a GPG-Signatur .asc file.
Here's the English page http://packman.links2linux.org/?action=122 I suspect that if you look at the top of the German page you ended up on, you'll find a link to the English translation (probably an Union Jack). It is a bit of a pain, but the instructions are straightfoward. David -- Registered Linux User No 207521 The Linux Counter: http://counter.li.org/ "The above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head."
On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 15:22, David Robertson wrote:
It looks like the major package to get is libdvdcss2 so I tried downloading that. The link on the packman site for downloading libdvdcss2 took me to a page in german which I do not understand. At the bottom of that page is the link to download libdvdcss2-1.2.8-0.pm.2.nosrc.rpm and a GPG-Signatur .asc file.
Here's the English page
Thanks, that did it. I also got the script to automatically download, build and install the files. I got the two libdvdcss rpms built and installed and I am now downloading the other files needed :) gus.
rada and gus wrote:
On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 15:22, David Robertson wrote:
It looks like the major package to get is libdvdcss2 so I tried downloading that. The link on the packman site for downloading libdvdcss2 took me to a page in german which I do not understand. At the bottom of that page is the link to download libdvdcss2-1.2.8-0.pm.2.nosrc.rpm and a GPG-Signatur .asc file.
Here's the English page
Thanks, that did it. I also got the script to automatically download, build and install the files. I got the two libdvdcss rpms built and installed and I am now downloading the other files needed :) gus.
Just go here... the rpms are built and the windows codecs are here too for windows media. http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/ -- PK
On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 13:49, William Westfall wrote:
rada and gus wrote:
On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 15:22, David Robertson wrote:
It looks like the major package to get is libdvdcss2 so I tried downloading that. The link on the packman site for downloading libdvdcss2 took me to a page in german which I do not understand. At the bottom of that page is the link to download libdvdcss2-1.2.8-0.pm.2.nosrc.rpm and a GPG-Signatur .asc file.
Here's the English page
Thanks, that did it. I also got the script to automatically download, build and install the files. I got the two libdvdcss rpms built and installed and I am now downloading the other files needed :) gus.
Just go here... the rpms are built and the windows codecs are here too for windows media.
Hi William, I've never heard of this site before, how trustworthy is it?
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:47:35 -0500
Mike McMullin
I've never heard of this site before, how trustworthy is it?
Mike, I use none other, and I've had no problems. I trust it. But you may not trust me either- :-) Try the source code, read it through, and compile it yourself when you're happyt! Enjoy! Terence
Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 13:49, William Westfall wrote:
rada and gus wrote:
On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 15:22, David Robertson wrote:
It looks like the major package to get is libdvdcss2 so I tried downloading that. The link on the packman site for downloading libdvdcss2 took me to a page in german which I do not understand. At the bottom of that page is the link to download libdvdcss2-1.2.8-0.pm.2.nosrc.rpm and a GPG-Signatur .asc file.
Here's the English page
Thanks, that did it. I also got the script to automatically download, build and install the files. I got the two libdvdcss rpms built and installed and I am now downloading the other files needed :) gus.
Just go here... the rpms are built and the windows codecs are here too for windows media.
Hi William,
I've never heard of this site before, how trustworthy is it?
I've gotten my xine, and codec packages here for over two years with out any problems. :) -- Made with ___________________________________________ Linux 2.6.8-24.3 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux (SuSE 9.2)
On 14:49 Sat 30 Oct , rada and gus wrote:
On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:48, Anders Johansson wrote:
After installing libxine1, xine-ui and libdvdcss2 from packman (a five minute job) I have *never* failed to get dvd playing running, I really would like to know what it is that makes this so difficult for others
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By the way I have been using linux for about five years and I got DVD's to play on Red Hat - several versions, and it was much easier than this (I've switched over - not a complaint). I know I havent asked any questions and I will probaly keep trying on my own, but as a desktop user (with no programming skills) I find this unnecessarily difficult. Having said this I would also like to say that Suse 9.1 has been a breeze to configure in virtually everything else. Gus.
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Let's cut to the chase, here. :-) If you look at the top(?) of the page you will doubtless see 'install_dvdcss2' which is a script which d/l, compiles, installs libdvdcss2. This also leaves the resultant RPMs in a directory in your /usr/src, I believe, which can be later used in the case of a system crash or other catastrophe. It'd be good if people remembered the totality of how they installed the pkg. :-) I, for one, nearly forgot! -- "Yogi" CH Namasté Yoga Studio
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It'd be good if people remembered the totality of how they installed the pkg. :-) I, for one, nearly forgot!
oh yogi, are you also falling prey to "sometimers" disease?? I thought all that deep breathing was suposed to keep that big bad bear away from my brain <g> er, obviously I am talking of Yoga exsersizes, not the kinds of "heavy breating" some of you guys seem to think of first <G> -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit
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It looks like the major package to get is libdvdcss2 so I tried downloading that. The link on the packman site for downloading libdvdcss2 took me to a page in german which I do not understand. At the bottom of that page is the link to download libdvdcss2-1.2.8-0.pm.2.nosrc.rpm and a GPG-Signatur .asc file.
that is all you need and the script at the top of the page run the script, having put the *.nosrc.rpm for your version of Suse into the /usr/src directory in it's appropriate place, if you have everything in place that script should do everything you need.. if it doesn't install the rpms for you it will have created them so you can use yast to install them... You *may* need to install some of the developer stuff from your Suse cd/dvds to get the script to work, but it does actually work quite well.. -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit
On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 19:02, BandiPat wrote:
On Monday 25 October 2004 03:52 pm, Charles McColm wrote:
One of the reasons I've permanently switched from Red Hat (which I've used daily since 7.1) is the embedded support for mp3s. I got tired of loading the mp3 rpms every time there was a new release. SuSE 9.1 also happens to run really nicely on my notebook, but this crippled Xine is even worse than what RH did with XMMS - at I could download a rpm to get it running.
I've tried getting libdvdcss to run under both Fedora and S.u.S.E. and the Fedora procedure was much simpler because of the uncrippled Xine. The Pacman resource is a great one, but some of the packages that particular version depends on seem to be dated (curl) and conflict with other packages.
It seems strange that Novell would crippled Xine, yet include support for mp3s.
I wish DVD manufacturers would get their heads out of the sand and start looking at a more open paradigm - imagine the advances possible. =======
Charles, SuSE's xine is not actually crippled, in the sense you seem to be putting it, but it won't play DVDs or some other files, like .wma or newer .mov until you add those codecs.
The files needed for that are few and should not be producing any conflicts. You may be getting some dependencies due to not having all the files you need to complete your task, but no conflicts. Everything is available easily from Packman's site and should only be a matter of you downloading and updating/installing those.
Otherwise, xine works just great for many files already, .mpg, mp3, ogg, .mpeg, some .mov, realplayer, etc. Crippled software doesn't do those things, but if you are having problems with the most simple files, you might want to look elsewhere for your answers to the problem.
I tend to agree with xine, I like it. I did notice one problem getting the Win32 codecs from the packman site for 9.1, and that was they have a signature problem that neither rpm nor Yast like.
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 08:02, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 19:02, BandiPat wrote:
On Monday 25 October 2004 03:52 pm, Charles McColm wrote:
One of the reasons I've permanently switched from Red Hat (which I've used daily since 7.1) is the embedded support for mp3s. I got tired of loading the mp3 rpms every time there was a new release. SuSE 9.1 also happens to run really nicely on my notebook, but this crippled Xine is even worse than what RH did with XMMS - at I could download a rpm to get it running.
I could not agree more, With redhat you download on e file, xmms-mp3 with suse you have uninstall reinstall plenty just so that you can watch a DVD,
I've tried getting libdvdcss to run under both Fedora and S.u.S.E. and the Fedora procedure was much simpler because of the uncrippled Xine. The Pacman resource is a great one, but some of the packages that particular version depends on seem to be dated (curl) and conflict with other packages.
Yip had the same experience!
It seems strange that Novell would crippled Xine, yet include support for mp3s.
I heard from a local linux developer who is building his own distro, that if any linux distro just signs an agreement, just like microsoft did, with Sony that ensures that they will not try reverse engineering the software and that the user must accept a license agreement for the software then they are allowed to include support it in the distro. This is because Sony hold the patents to DVD encryption. I could be wrong and would like to know the truth of the matter. The same agreement has been offered by Nvidia. and apparently thsi guy is flying to the states to Nvidia next month. I can't see what the problem is if this guy can do it! May be a Suse representative could post a reply stating the fact as to why Suse crippled the Xine player to the point that you will never get a DVD to play in it.
I wish DVD manufacturers would get their heads out of the sand and start looking at a more open paradigm - imagine the advances possible.
=======
Charles, SuSE's xine is not actually crippled, in the sense you seem to be putting it, but it won't play DVDs or some other files, like .wma or newer .mov until you add those codecs.
The files needed for that are few and should not be producing any conflicts. You may be getting some dependencies due to not having all the files you need to complete your task, but no conflicts. Everything is available easily from Packman's site and should only be a matter of you downloading and updating/installing those.
Otherwise, xine works just great for many files already, .mpg, mp3, ogg, .mpeg, some .mov, realplayer, etc. Crippled software doesn't do those things, but if you are having problems with the most simple files, you might want to look elsewhere for your answers to the problem.
I tend to agree with xine, I like it. I did notice one problem getting the Win32 codecs from the packman site for 9.1, and that was they have a signature problem that neither rpm nor Yast like.
-- Chadley Wilson Redhat Certified Technician Cert Number: 603004708291270 Pinnacle Micro Manufacturers of Proline Computers ==================================== Exercise freedom, Use LINUX =====================================
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 1:28 am, Chadley Wilson wrote:
I heard from a local linux developer who is building his own distro, that if any linux distro just signs an agreement, just like microsoft did, with Sony that ensures that they will not try reverse engineering the software and that the user must accept a license agreement for the software then they are allowed to include support it in the distro. This is because Sony hold the patents to DVD encryption. I could be wrong and would like to know the truth of the matter.
I don't think this is true simply because I know S.u.S.E. does bundle software that requires users to agree to licensing issues (support for my notebook's Lucent winmodem). Since SuSE has already done this with other manufacturers I don't think it's a simple matter of getting users to agree to licensing issues - I think it's probably a DMCA issue. Cheers
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 08:02, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 19:02, BandiPat wrote:
On Monday 25 October 2004 03:52 pm, Charles McColm wrote:
One of the reasons I've permanently switched from Red Hat (which I've used daily since 7.1) is the embedded support for mp3s. I got tired of loading the mp3 rpms every time there was a new release. SuSE 9.1 also happens to run really nicely on my notebook, but this crippled Xine is even worse than what RH did with XMMS - at I could download a rpm to get it running.
I've tried getting libdvdcss to run under both Fedora and S.u.S.E. and the Fedora procedure was much simpler because of the uncrippled Xine. The Pacman resource is a great one, but some of the packages that particular version depends on seem to be dated (curl) and conflict with other packages.
It seems strange that Novell would crippled Xine, yet include support for mp3s.
I wish DVD manufacturers would get their heads out of the sand and start looking at a more open paradigm - imagine the advances possible.
=======
Charles, SuSE's xine is not actually crippled, in the sense you seem to be putting it, but it won't play DVDs or some other files, like .wma or newer .mov until you add those codecs.
The files needed for that are few and should not be producing any conflicts. You may be getting some dependencies due to not having all the files you need to complete your task, but no conflicts. Everything is available easily from Packman's site and should only be a matter of you downloading and updating/installing those.
Otherwise, xine works just great for many files already, .mpg, mp3, ogg, .mpeg, some .mov, realplayer, etc. Crippled software doesn't do those things, but if you are having problems with the most simple files, you might want to look elsewhere for your answers to the problem.
I tend to agree with xine, I like it. I did notice one problem getting the Win32 codecs from the packman site for 9.1, and that was they have a signature problem that neither rpm nor Yast like. I have seen that too!
-- Chadley Wilson Redhat Certified Technician Cert Number: 603004708291270 Pinnacle Micro Manufacturers of Proline Computers ==================================== Exercise freedom, Use LINUX =====================================
On Tuesday 26 Oct 2004 06:54, Chadley Wilson wrote:
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 08:02, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 19:02, BandiPat wrote:
On Monday 25 October 2004 03:52 pm, Charles McColm wrote:
One of the reasons I've permanently switched from Red Hat (which I've used daily since 7.1) is the embedded support for mp3s. I got tired of loading the mp3 rpms every time there was a new release. SuSE 9.1 also happens to run really nicely on my notebook, but this crippled Xine is even worse than what RH did with XMMS - at I could download a rpm to get it running.
I've tried getting libdvdcss to run under both Fedora and S.u.S.E. and the Fedora procedure was much simpler because of the uncrippled Xine. The Pacman resource is a great one, but some of the packages that particular version depends on seem to be dated (curl) and conflict with other packages.
It seems strange that Novell would crippled Xine, yet include support for mp3s.
I wish DVD manufacturers would get their heads out of the sand and start looking at a more open paradigm - imagine the advances possible.
=======
Charles, SuSE's xine is not actually crippled, in the sense you seem to be putting it, but it won't play DVDs or some other files, like .wma or newer .mov until you add those codecs.
The files needed for that are few and should not be producing any conflicts. You may be getting some dependencies due to not having all the files you need to complete your task, but no conflicts. Everything is available easily from Packman's site and should only be a matter of you downloading and updating/installing those.
Otherwise, xine works just great for many files already, .mpg, mp3, ogg, .mpeg, some .mov, realplayer, etc. Crippled software doesn't do those things, but if you are having problems with the most simple files, you might want to look elsewhere for your answers to the problem.
I tend to agree with xine, I like it. I did notice one problem getting the Win32 codecs from the packman site for 9.1, and that was they have a signature problem that neither rpm nor Yast like.
I have seen that too!
-- Chadley Wilson Redhat Certified Technician Cert Number: 603004708291270 Pinnacle Micro Manufacturers of Proline Computers ==================================== Exercise freedom, Use LINUX =====================================
And all i did was pull the files off pacman rpm -ivh them and bingo xine and kaffine working no problems at all dvd cd vcd the lot , But still Ogle is far better. Pete. -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 05:16 am, peter Nikolic wrote: [...]
And all i did was pull the files off pacman rpm -ivh them and bingo xine and kaffine working no problems at all dvd cd vcd the lot , But still Ogle is far better.
Pete.
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Don't know why the thread topic needed to be changed, since it all ties together anyway. Imagine the difficulty others will have searching later. Chad, if you would bother to do a search on the email archives, you would find the subject of xine and the Packman files have come up often already. Because of that fact, a list of files have been explained many times as well. Things like this just require a little research in the right places, also explained here many times. You're a "Redhat Certified Technician", as your tagline mentions, which should signify you are capable of basic Linux thought, right? John, you mention it's not that simple, but as Peter points out, it is actually quite simple! I guess it didn't enter your mind at all that from 8.2 to 9.2 many things could have changed, so newer files would be needed to keep things working or adjustments needed? I'm not trying to be rude or pick on just a couple of the guys here, I'm really just trying to make a point. Pete explained how simple it was to get things (xine) working on his setup, I and many others experience no more difficulty. The only thing he might have left out is that the decrypting software, libdvdcss2, has to be downloaded and compiled for your machine to play dvd movies. What the Packman site provides is just a location to gather that file up and instructions on installing it. Since most of the guys that provide files for the Packman site work for SuSE as well, they aren't allowed to carry the software either, legally, but do provide you info on how to get it. If you are experiencing difficulty, dependencies or conflicts in installing software, you should look elsewhere for your solutions, not blame SuSE or a "crippled" xine! In the short time I have used SuSE Linux, I've come to find most of the problems I run into with Linux are associated with something I did. Sometimes with stuff I didn't know about, but that's usually when I searched for answers or ask my "guru" for help. ;o) Regards, Lee
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 10:41 am, BandiPat wrote:
John, you mention it's not that simple, but as Peter points out, it is actually quite simple! I guess it didn't enter your mind at all that from 8.2 to 9.2 many things could have changed, so newer files would be needed to keep things working or adjustments needed?
Sigh.... I think I'm quite capable of applying the proper changes to the proper version of the system. Look, if this is the best you have to offer, why bother to respond at all? -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Monday 25 October 2004 8:02 pm, BandiPat wrote:
I've tried getting libdvdcss to run under both Fedora and S.u.S.E. and the Fedora procedure was much simpler because of the uncrippled SuSE's xine is not actually crippled, in the sense you seem to be
On Monday 25 October 2004 03:52 pm, Charles McColm wrote: putting it, but it won't play DVDs or some other files, like .wma or newer .mov until you add those codecs.
Actually, if you add libdvdcss and the wmv codec from pacman, but use the default yast2 install of Xine from Novell, neither DVDs, nor wmv's will play. The version of Xine on the Novell site has some sort of linking which doesn't recognize that libdvdcss is installed. It seems to be done on purpose, so I'd certainly call that crippled. Now if you remove all the Novell Xine packages and use only the pacman packages it'll work fine, but some of the packages on the pacman site are older than the latest yast2 updates (curl) which makes keeping up to date a pain.
Otherwise, xine works just great for many files already, .mpg, mp3, ogg, .mpeg, some .mov, realplayer, etc. Crippled software doesn't do those things, but if you are having problems with the most simple files, you might want to look elsewhere for your answers to the problem.
Xine does these fine out of the box. The issue is Novell's version of Xine, not pacman. If I go the pacman route, I have to install an older version of curl. ;-)
On Saturday 23 October 2004 6:30 am, Ti Kan wrote:
it isn't listed under search or packages when I check YAST, why is that?
Because mplayer isn't bundled in SuSE Linux. You can also use xine (or kaffeine, which uses the xine engine) to play the same files. Xine and kaffeine are included with SuSE.
I tried kaffeine, it said it was missing a codec to play . -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800
On Saturday 23 October 2004 6:13 am, David Robertson wrote:
You should be able to play .wmv files with MPlayer and the w32 codecs installed.
ok, well, it came up in Yast and said it was missing 3 dependencies that were not available. I'm new at this, so go easy on me :) when you are in YAST and it says the dependencies isn't available, where do you get it? is YAST setup wrong ? looking to the wrong server? the dependencies listed were: w32codec-all libmp3lame.so.0 libtheora.so.0 thanks, -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800
On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 06:29 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Saturday 23 October 2004 6:13 am, David Robertson wrote:
You should be able to play .wmv files with MPlayer and the w32 codecs installed.
ok, well, it came up in Yast and said it was missing 3 dependencies that were not available. I'm new at this, so go easy on me :) when you are in YAST and it says the dependencies isn't available, where do you get it? is YAST setup wrong ? looking to the wrong server? the dependencies listed were: w32codec-all libmp3lame.so.0 libtheora.so.0
If you look at the bottom of the above page, you'll find links to the necessary dependencies! The w32 codecs aren't listed because, strictly speaking, you don't need them, except for certain files. For those, look at the top of the packman page for the package index, and there you will find all that you need, and some more. Download all of these files (lame, libtheora, Win32-Codecs, MPlayer) into a separate directory, open a terminal and, as root, issue the command rpm -ivh *.rpm /sbin/SuSEconfig If you're not comfortable with doing it that way, use konqueror to download the files and you'll get the option with each one to install using YaST: install the dependencies first, including the w32 codecs, and MPlayer itself last. Have a go at doing it from the command line though - good to learn about rpm and installing files. If you type "man rpm" in a terminal, you'll get lots of information on the program. You'll also find more information in /usr/share/doc/packages/"name_of_package." -- Registered Linux User No 207521 The Linux Counter: http://counter.li.org/ "The above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head."
On Saturday 23 October 2004 8:16 am, David Robertson wrote:
If you look at the bottom of the above page, you'll find links to the necessary dependencies! The w32 codecs aren't listed because, strictly speaking, you don't need them, except for certain files. For those, look at the top of the packman page for the package index, and there you will find all that you need, and some more. Download all of these files (lame, libtheora, Win32-Codecs, MPlayer) into a separate directory, open a terminal and, as root, issue the command
rpm -ivh *.rpm /sbin/SuSEconfig
thanks, AFTER sending that message I noticed those packages at the bottom of that page, I had to scroll down to see them. Command line is no problem, neither is YAST, I'm just not familiar with SUSE or where to get all these packages that didn't come with it.
If you're not comfortable with doing it that way, use konqueror to download the files and you'll get the option with each one to install using YaST: install the dependencies first, including the w32 codecs, and MPlayer itself last. Have a go at doing it from the command line though - good to learn about rpm and installing files. If you type "man rpm" in a terminal, you'll get lots of information on the program. You'll also find more information in /usr/share/doc/packages/"name_of_package."
I got the other 2 installed, downloading the w32codecs now. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800
On Saturday 23 October 2004 5:49 am, Paul Cartwright wrote:
my son sent me a .WMV movie, and I haven't been able to find anything to play that, do you know if that is possible?
I use Mplayer for most of my video viewing, including .wmvs and .movs. I tend to grab the RPMs from here: http://packman.links2linux.org/index.php4?action=cat&cat=1 -- __________ CorvusE Linux User #370082
On 05:49 Sat 23 Oct , Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Friday 22 October 2004 9:48 pm, Steven Pasternak wrote:
I use SuSE 9.1 Kernel 2.6.8 with realplayer 10.0.1 (the .bin file). when I start it up, nothing appears to happen. The process is still running, but LITERALLY an hour-and-a-half later is when the GUI finally appears. What in the World could be causing this?
did it maybe have to update some codecs or drivers for that particular movie?? my son sent me a .WMV movie, and I haven't been able to find anything to play that, do you know if that is possible?
-- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800
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Charles McColm -
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rada and gus -
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