SUSE taking over the World! Finally!
http://pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/0/4662743FE8FF0106CC256F56007A25C7?Open... Long link but a good read. I've been plugging for SUSE since I first used it and nothing can touch it. The only thing that even comes CLOSE is Slackware. SUSE is really getting up to par on the business world, and I think it's great. And look at the screen shot towards the bottom! BEAUTIFUL! Take that XP, RedHat, Sco, And every other shitty OS.
On Monday 29 November 2004 14:41, Allen wrote:
http://pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/0/4662743FE8FF0106CC256F56007A25C7?Ope nDocument
Long link but a good read. I've been plugging for SUSE since I first used it and nothing can touch it. The only thing that even comes CLOSE is Slackware. SUSE is really getting up to par on the business world, and I think it's great. And look at the screen shot towards the bottom! BEAUTIFUL!
I have to say, a lot of what the article says about 9.2 seems to have been true of 7.2. I'm glad IBM and Novell are behind (SuSE) Linux. I believe it does speak well for the future of the OS with which I am most familiar. OTOH, the article seems to be suggesting the ease of use and user-friendlyness found in (SuSE) Linux is a result of IBM and Novell. That is simply wrong. It fails to credit a huge amount of effort by contributers all over the world who have been working to improve these aspects of open source (not just Linux) for over a decade.
Take that XP, RedHat, Sco, And every other shitty OS.
We should probably avoid picking fights, especially within the open source community. That is really contrary to the spirit of the development model. SuSE Linux would be nothing without contributions from Red Hat, etc. -- Regards, Steven
On Monday 29 November 2004 15:03, Steven T. Hatton wrote:
On Monday 29 November 2004 14:41, Allen wrote:
http://pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/0/4662743FE8FF0106CC256F56007A25C7?O pe nDocument
Long link but a good read. I've been plugging for SUSE since I first used it and nothing can touch it. The only thing that even comes CLOSE is Slackware. SUSE is really getting up to par on the business world, and I think it's great. And look at the screen shot towards the bottom! BEAUTIFUL!
I have to say, a lot of what the article says about 9.2 seems to have been true of 7.2. I'm glad IBM and Novell are behind (SuSE) Linux. I believe it does speak well for the future of the OS with which I am most familiar. OTOH, the article seems to be suggesting the ease of use and user-friendlyness found in (SuSE) Linux is a result of IBM and Novell. That is simply wrong. It fails to credit a huge amount of effort by contributers all over the world who have been working to improve these aspects of open source (not just Linux) for over a decade.
I know that, the important thing is they are showing it off as a great product which it is. The more press SUSE gets for being awesome the better. Not long ago a gov worker friend of mine finally tried SUSE. They are now looking into deploying it for servers and workstation. :)
Take that XP, RedHat, Sco, And every other shitty OS.
We should probably avoid picking fights, especially within the open source community. That is really contrary to the spirit of the development model. SuSE Linux would be nothing without contributions from Red Hat, etc.
SUSE was started with help from Slackware, not RedHat ;) I have nothing against RedHat Linux, just the company is... Heh.
-- Regards, Steven
On Monday 29 November 2004 15:36, Steven T. Hatton wrote:
On Monday 29 November 2004 15:09, Allen wrote:
SUSE was started with help from Slackware, not RedHat ;) I have nothing against RedHat Linux, just the company is... Heh.
At the command prompt type in `man rpm'.
I know who made the RPM, I just said they didn't get much from RedHat other than that. With SUSE 8.1 Professional. which was my first Linux, it shows a calender and how SUSE started. And a million books I have all show SUSE was first a part of Slackware. SUSE has been around longer than ReDHat and so has Slackware.
-- Regards, Steven
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 15:36, Steven T. Hatton wrote:
On Monday 29 November 2004 15:09, Allen wrote:
SUSE was started with help from Slackware, not RedHat ;) I have nothing against RedHat Linux, just the company is... Heh.
At the command prompt type in `man rpm'.
Well you could just outright tell him that SuSE uses the Redhat Package Management system. :)
On Tuesday 30 November 2004 05:13, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 15:36, Steven T. Hatton wrote:
On Monday 29 November 2004 15:09, Allen wrote:
SUSE was started with help from Slackware, not RedHat ;) I have nothing against RedHat Linux, just the company is... Heh.
At the command prompt type in `man rpm'.
Well you could just outright tell him that SuSE uses the Redhat Package Management system. :)
Or you could think wow gore doesn't care that someone took what I said wrong. I think for the third time now I'll point out I realise who came up with RPM, and now for the second time I'll say I really have no problems with RedHat Linux but I can't stand the company who screwed a lot of people. If anyone here runs Servers on RedHat 9, you know what I'm talking about, there was no upgrade to Fedora, nothing, you were left with a decision to make, and it wasn't fair
On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 22:43, Allen wrote:
On Tuesday 30 November 2004 05:13, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 15:36, Steven T. Hatton wrote:
On Monday 29 November 2004 15:09, Allen wrote:
SUSE was started with help from Slackware, not RedHat ;) I have nothing against RedHat Linux, just the company is... Heh.
At the command prompt type in `man rpm'.
Well you could just outright tell him that SuSE uses the Redhat Package Management system. :)
Or you could think wow gore doesn't care that someone took what I said wrong. I think for the third time now I'll point out I realise who came up with RPM, and now for the second time I'll say I really have no problems with RedHat Linux but I can't stand the company who screwed a lot of people. If anyone here runs Servers on RedHat 9, you know what I'm talking about, there was no upgrade to Fedora, nothing, you were left with a decision to make, and it wasn't fair
I think that is a good point about Red Hat and it's one of the reasons I switched to Suse. However, I hope Suse never gets the mindset to "take over the world". That kind of mindset is what drives monopolies and dictatorships. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" - the temptation gets too great. Lets see, if now that Suse has been incorporated by Novell, whether it keeps the same philosophy as before. The philosophy that has earned it a loyal following. Gustav Degreef.
Allen wrote:
http://pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/0/4662743FE8FF0106CC256F56007A25C7?Open...
Long link but a good read. I've been plugging for SUSE since I first used it and nothing can touch it. The only thing that even comes CLOSE is Slackware. SUSE is really getting up to par on the business world, and I think it's great. And look at the screen shot towards the bottom! BEAUTIFUL!
Take that XP, RedHat, Sco, And every other shitty OS.
SuSE has been my main distro for quite a few years, I switched from rolling my own from version 0.0x to MCC to SLS to Caldera to RedHat to SuSE. Right now I'm using SuSE 9.2, Mandrake 10.1 and gentoo-2004.3 and all are excellent. A word about gentoo - I'd heard it was fast and excellent for learning about Linux. The install took ages (about 38 hours on a Athlon 700/256M) with much less than half an hour of my keyboard time giving it hostname, IP addressing etc., if I was hoping to learn about Linux from that, I'd have learned nothing as it did it all by itself. Installing mythtv was as simple as typing "emerge mythtv" and let it do the rest, I thought I'd try something outlandish like mythtv just to see if I would hit a problem - none. Linux has got too easy by and large. Even as early as 1996, I installed linux on a PC in the office, the other guys used it frequently to get stuff on to a Solaris box. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
On Monday 29 November 2004 2:30 pm, Sid Boyce wrote:
Allen wrote:
http://pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/0/4662743FE8FF0106CC256F56007A25C7?O penDocument
Long link but a good read. I've been plugging for SUSE since I first used it and nothing can touch it. The only thing that even comes CLOSE is Slackware. SUSE is really getting up to par on the business world, and I think it's great. And look at the screen shot towards the bottom! BEAUTIFUL!
It's a Gnome background. We already have it in 9.2.
Take that XP, RedHat, Sco, And every other shitty OS.
SuSE has been my main distro for quite a few years,
Me too. Since 7.1 Rich -- Rich Matson Reno, Nv. USA
C. Richard Matson wrote:
On Monday 29 November 2004 2:30 pm, Sid Boyce wrote:
Allen wrote:
http://pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/0/4662743FE8FF0106CC256F56007A25C7?O penDocument
Long link but a good read. I've been plugging for SUSE since I first used it and nothing can touch it. The only thing that even comes CLOSE is Slackware. SUSE is really getting up to par on the business world, and I think it's great. And look at the screen shot towards the bottom! BEAUTIFUL!
It's a Gnome background. We already have it in 9.2.
Take that XP, RedHat, Sco, And every other shitty OS.
SuSE has been my main distro for quite a few years,
Me too. Since 7.1 Rich
Since 6.2 I think, the only reason I didn't switch from RedHat before - I had been preparing a tool-set CD with X3270, Citrix client and a slew of other apps needed for laptops at work as we were contemplating a switch to Linux for our guys worldwide and the guys Stateside favoured Redhat and insisted I packaged for it, it being a home grown distro and probably the only one they could name way back then. When the project fell through due to lack of upper management buy-in after I'd worked some incredible hours to produce it with the help of 2 other guys here in the UK, I switched wholesale to SuSE as did the other guys. A funny thing happened when I was stateside in 1999, I'd been using a PC in our development lab for 3 days testing out ATM hardware/firmware on the mainframes. I knew it was some kind of Unix, SCO (Yiiikes!) perhaps, so I asked another guy who said he thought it was Linux, sure enough, when I dug deeper, it was Linux with Windowmaker which I hadn't seen before - it ran applications so we could flip various bits, test and fix or report errors. I wonder how many other guys never knew that, perhaps most of the developers didn't know. When I asked around, I found there was quite a bit of Linux around that was used in hardware/firmware development, both on desktops and laptops. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
On Monday 29 November 2004 22:30, Sid Boyce wrote:
Allen wrote:
http://pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/0/4662743FE8FF0106CC256F56007A25C7?O penDocument
Long link but a good read. I've been plugging for SUSE since I first used it and nothing can touch it. The only thing that even comes CLOSE is Slackware. SUSE is really getting up to par on the business world, and I think it's great. And look at the screen shot towards the bottom! BEAUTIFUL!
Take that XP, RedHat, Sco, And every other shitty OS.
SuSE has been my main distro for quite a few years, I switched from rolling my own from version 0.0x to MCC to SLS to Caldera to RedHat to SuSE. Right now I'm using SuSE 9.2, Mandrake 10.1 and gentoo-2004.3 and all are excellent. A word about gentoo - I'd heard it was fast and excellent for learning about Linux. The install took ages (about 38 hours on a Athlon 700/256M) with much less than half an hour of my keyboard time giving it hostname, IP addressing etc., if I was hoping to learn about Linux from that, I'd have learned nothing as it did it all by itself. Installing mythtv was as simple as typing "emerge mythtv" and let it do the rest, I thought I'd try something outlandish like mythtv just to see if I would hit a problem - none. Linux has got too easy by and large.
"Too easy to learn much from", you mean, or in another way? Just curious to know what you mean there, Sid. Haven't had a go with Gentoo, though i did build the 'Linux from scratch' from http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ a while ago. I did learn a bit doing that, but being an old git I have largely forgotten it. It was interesting that the recipe was good enough for a know-nothing to follow and end up with a full Linux install, kde, etc. Cheers Fergus
Even as early as 1996, I installed linux on a PC in the office, the other guys used it frequently to get stuff on to a Solaris box. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
-- Fergus Wilde Chetham's Library Long Millgate Manchester M3 1SB Tel: +44 161 834 7961 Fax: +44 161 839 5797 http://www.chethams.org.uk
Fergus Wilde wrote:
On Monday 29 November 2004 22:30, Sid Boyce wrote:
Allen wrote:
http://pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/0/4662743FE8FF0106CC256F56007A25C7?O penDocument
Long link but a good read. I've been plugging for SUSE since I first used it and nothing can touch it. The only thing that even comes CLOSE is Slackware. SUSE is really getting up to par on the business world, and I think it's great. And look at the screen shot towards the bottom! BEAUTIFUL!
Take that XP, RedHat, Sco, And every other shitty OS.
SuSE has been my main distro for quite a few years, I switched from rolling my own from version 0.0x to MCC to SLS to Caldera to RedHat to SuSE. Right now I'm using SuSE 9.2, Mandrake 10.1 and gentoo-2004.3 and all are excellent. A word about gentoo - I'd heard it was fast and excellent for learning about Linux. The install took ages (about 38 hours on a Athlon 700/256M) with much less than half an hour of my keyboard time giving it hostname, IP addressing etc., if I was hoping to learn about Linux from that, I'd have learned nothing as it did it all by itself. Installing mythtv was as simple as typing "emerge mythtv" and let it do the rest, I thought I'd try something outlandish like mythtv just to see if I would hit a problem - none. Linux has got too easy by and large.
"Too easy to learn much from", you mean, or in another way? Just curious to know what you mean there, Sid. Haven't had a go with Gentoo, though i did build the 'Linux from scratch' from http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ a while ago. I did learn a bit doing that, but being an old git I have largely forgotten it. It was interesting that the recipe was good enough for a know-nothing to follow and end up with a full Linux install, kde, etc.
Cheers Fergus
Exactly that, you put the boot CD in, give it a command to build sever or workstation, select the packages you need, e.g kde, gnome, etc., give it the network details, root password and it does the rest automatically, reboot and it's up. Then you have to learn about "emerge". I've build and installed a new kernel.org kernel, installed the latest nvidia driver manually, everything else is done using emerge, like "emerge mythtv", it works out all the dependencies and installs them, on SuSE and Mandrake, just sorting out the mythtv packages is difficult. The gentoo docs site is good and I knew what packages I needed, that's perhaps what might confuse a total newbie. I had a read of "Linux from Scratch" going back a while, that's different, you have to learn and do things, with gentoo, it downloads and builds the latest gcc first, then on it's own merry way it goes, I just popped in every few hours to check it was still going. I woke up one morning and noticed it was ready for a reboot, rebooted it --- done. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
On Monday 29 November 2004 20:41, Allen wrote:
http://pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/0/4662743FE8FF0106CC256F56007A25C7?Ope nDocument
Long link but a good read. I've been plugging for SUSE since I first used it and nothing can touch it. The only thing that even comes CLOSE is Slackware. SUSE is really getting up to par on the business world, and I think it's great. And look at the screen shot towards the bottom! BEAUTIFUL!
Take that XP, RedHat, Sco, And every other shitty OS.
Let's not confuse the OS and the distribution. The OS is the kernel, with or without patches. The rest is utils and applications. The install and configuration tools is what makes the distribution. Themes in the graph environment is not! And that's the beauty of Linux. You can build it any way you want. If you're not happy with a distro, just take another one or, even better, build your own. Freedom of choice is what its all about. And calling Redhat and Sco in one sentence (Oops, i'm doing it also) I think is not fair. Redhat has contributed many tools, scripts and kernelsources to the Open Source community where even your "Precious" SuSE benefits from. I've used Redhat from the "Halloween" version up to 5.1 as a development platform and is was always good installable, hardware friendly even on Toshiba and very stable. After that I switched to SuSE 6.1 and stayed there for my work. Many hardware support was established by Redhat. So please, please please relax a little and call any os "shitty" if you like but don't confuse it with a distribution. Regards, Peter
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