[opensuse] Re: Partitioning problem in installing oS v11.1

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1 Oct 2009 1 Oct '09

09:36

Stan Goodman a écrit :

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I had succeeded in installing the system in partitions that I had made using DFSee

I don't know this one

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I also made three partitions, for Swap (typr 82), Root and Home (both type 83).

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When the installer proposes partitioning, it doesn't see the

did you save your work? seems not partitions I

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have made,

I think there is a "read partition table" option and a "read fstab" one (here probably different) although I know they are there. and hox do you knox this? what tool give you the info? Give us the output

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What do I have to do to get it to forget the past and live in the present?

as somebody else said, why don't you use YaST installer to do the partitionning? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Stan Goodman

1 Oct 1 Oct

12:18

At 11:36:55 on Thursday Thursday 01 October 2009, jdd wrote:

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Stan Goodman a écrit :

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I had succeeded in installing the system in partitions that I had made using DFSee

I don't know this one

An extremely useful utility. You might find its website interesting: .

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I also made three partitions, for Swap (typr 82), Root and Home (both type 83).

did you save your work? seems not

I did indeed, as shown by the fact that the newly made partitions are on the HD, exactly as I intended them to be.

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When the installer proposes partitioning, it doesn't see the

partitions I

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have made,

I think there is a "read partition table" option and a "read fstab" one (here probably different)

although I know they are there.

and hox do you knox this? what tool give you the info? Give us the output

DFSee sees them. It couldn't see them if they were not there. Before I made the new partitions, I deleted all the previous ones, after which DFSee saw that the HD was all free space.

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What do I have to do to get it to forget the past and live in the present?

as somebody else said, why don't you use YaST installer to do the partitionning?

Among other reasons, because I want to know why the installer has retained partition information that isn't there anymore, and where it is storing obsolete information. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

12:23

Stan Goodman wrote:

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as somebody else said, why don't you use YaST installer to do the partitionning?

Among other reasons, because I want to know why the installer has retained partition information that isn't there anymore, and where it is storing obsolete information.

Partition information is stored in the partition tables. When the partitioner finds your old partition scheme it's because it is still stored there. I don't know dfsee either, I always use fdisk - what does fdisk says when you print the partition table? /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Stan Goodman

13:32

At 14:23:39 on Thursday Thursday 01 October 2009, Per Jessen wrote:

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Stan Goodman wrote:

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as somebody else said, why don't you use YaST installer to do the partitionning?

Among other reasons, because I want to know why the installer has retained partition information that isn't there anymore, and where it is storing obsolete information.

Partition information is stored in the partition tables. When the partitioner finds your old partition scheme it's because it is still stored there.

I don't know dfsee either, I always use fdisk - what does fdisk says when you print the partition table?

I know that the partition tables store the partition scheme. But if I see a certain arrangement, that must be what the partition table is storing. I think, in fact, that HDs have two copies of the partition table. If that is true, it means that DFSee (and almost certainly fdisk as well) is looking at one of them, and the oS installer is l ooking at the other. I have to track that down. And if the situation is as I guess, I do not think it would be wise to leave the discrepancy as is and simply go over to the installer's partitioner, because the confusion might well cause some sort of trouble in the future. I will post here how this turns out, for the interest of others. DFSee, by the way, is among other things an alternative to fdisk, but much more versatile -- and it works with Linux, Windows, Mac (I think), and OS/2. You can look at its website, or ask e.g. Felix Miata (or anyone else who came from OS/2) about it. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Greg Freemyer

13:45

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Partitioning problem in installing oS v11.1

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Stan Goodman wrote:

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At 14:23:39 on Thursday Thursday 01 October 2009, Per Jessen wrote:

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Stan Goodman wrote:

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as somebody else said, why don't you use YaST installer to do the partitionning?

Among other reasons, because I want to know why the installer has retained partition information that isn't there anymore, and where it is storing obsolete information.

Partition information is stored in the partition tables. When the partitioner finds your old partition scheme it's because it is still stored there.

I don't know dfsee either, I always use fdisk - what does fdisk says when you print the partition table?

I know that the partition tables store the partition scheme. But if I see a certain arrangement, that must be what the partition table is storing.

I think, in fact, that HDs have two copies of the partition table. If that is true, it means that DFSee (and almost certainly fdisk as well) is looking at one of them, and the oS installer is l ooking at the other. I have to track that down. And if the situation is as I guess, I do not think it would be wise to leave the discrepancy as is and simply go over to the installer's partitioner, because the confusion might well cause some sort of trouble in the future.

I will post here how this turns out, for the interest of others.

DFSee, by the way, is among other things an alternative to fdisk, but much more versatile -- and it works with Linux, Windows, Mac (I think), and OS/2. You can look at its website, or ask e.g. Felix Miata (or anyone else who came from OS/2) about it.

-- Stan Goodman

Stan / JDD, I suspect opensuse is doing something strange with partitioning recently. I was testing factory last week and used fdisk to create an extended partition (/dev/sda7). I then went into yast2 partitioner and it said parted could not read my partition table and therefore I would only get a read only view that was my disk without /dev/sda7. I also tried to add /dev/sda7 to lvm via "pvcreate /dev/sda7". It told me that /dev/sda7 was an illegal partition. (See my thread on the factory list for details.) It was recommended I delete /dev/sda7 and recreate it witl yast2 partitioner. To my great surprise, after I deleted it, yast2 partitioner had no issues opening the disk / partition table and allowing me to add the partition. And then I went back to the command line and pvcreate /dev/sda7 worked. I don't know what is going on, but I don't like that fdisk is no longer a supported way to add partitions (if that is the case.) No one explicitly said that, but no one said my observed behavior was a bug either. If someone wants to do more testing on this and add a bugzilla, I'd be curious how the developers respond. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

19:39

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I suspect opensuse is doing something strange with partitioning recently.

I was testing factory last week and used fdisk to create an extended partition (/dev/sda7).

I then went into yast2 partitioner and it said parted could not read my partition table and therefore I would only get a read only view that was my disk without /dev/sda7.

You have to reboot. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrFBYcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UFZwCgi4GrzcFwwj9eAfd8vFtefrJB 3bMAn3T1dPC5j5Ot0KFtXhHh1sETRBV2 =6Zik -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

phanisvara das

13:45

On Thursday 01 October 2009 07:02:16 pm Stan Goodman wrote:

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DFSee, by the way, is among other things an alternative to fdisk, but much more versatile -- and it works with Linux, Windows, Mac (I think), and OS/2. You can look at its website, or ask e.g. Felix Miata (or anyone else who came from OS/2) about it.

i don't know about DFSee, but prefer to use a disk manager native to the system i'm trying to install. have had bad experience with partitions created by windows when installing linux for the first time. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Stan Goodman

14:03

At 15:45:57 on Thursday Thursday 01 October 2009, phanisvara das wrote:

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On Thursday 01 October 2009 07:02:16 pm Stan Goodman wrote:

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DFSee, by the way, is among other things an alternative to fdisk, but

much

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more versatile -- and it works with Linux, Windows, Mac (I think), and OS/2. You can look at its website, or ask e.g. Felix Miata (or anyone else who came from OS/2) about it.

i don't know about DFSee, but prefer to use a disk manager native to the system i'm trying to install. have had bad experience with partitions created by windows when installing linux for the first time.

If, as Greg has suggested, the oS installer is doing odd things, that is a perfect reason for using an expernal partitioner. Like you, I would not touch a Windows utility for this purpose, but I know that DFSee is standards-compliant, and has nothing to do with Windose except that it works with it. I am confidant that the confusion that has developed is not the result of a DFSee problem. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

14:51

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On 2009/10/01 19:15 (GMT+0530) phanisvara das composed:

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On 2009/10/01 15:32 (GMT+0200) Stan Goodman wrote:

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DFSee, by the way, is among other things an alternative to fdisk, but much more versatile -- and it works with Linux, Windows, Mac (I think), and OS/2. You can look at its website, or ask e.g. Felix Miata (or anyone else who came from OS/2) about it.

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i don't know about DFSee, but prefer to use a disk manager native to the system i'm trying to install. have had bad experience with partitions created by windows when installing linux for the first time.

Using a disk partitioner native to only the booted OS on a multiboot system is the best possible way to maximize opportunity for partition-related trouble. I use only DFSee for partitioning (even on single OS systems), which as Stan wrote, has native executables for DOS, Windows, Linux, OS/2 & Mac. I never have partitioning trouble not of my own making, because I never let any other partitioner touch my (very, very many) tables. http://www.dfsee.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dfsee-support/ DFSee does not yet support GPT. -- " A patriot without religion . . . is as great a paradox, as an honest man without the fear of God. . . . 2nd U.S. President, John Adams Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

14:08

Stan Goodman wrote:

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At 14:23:39 on Thursday Thursday 01 October 2009, Per Jessen wrote:

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Stan Goodman wrote:

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as somebody else said, why don't you use YaST installer to do the partitionning?

Among other reasons, because I want to know why the installer has retained partition information that isn't there anymore, and where it is storing obsolete information.

Partition information is stored in the partition tables. When the partitioner finds your old partition scheme it's because it is still stored there.

I don't know dfsee either, I always use fdisk - what does fdisk says when you print the partition table?

I know that the partition tables store the partition scheme. But if I see a certain arrangement, that must be what the partition table is storing.

Exactly.

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I think, in fact, that HDs have two copies of the partition table.

Yes, it does.

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If that is true, it means that DFSee (and almost certainly fdisk as well) is looking at one of them, and the oS installer is l ooking at the other.

Quite possibly, but then the real question becomes - how did they end up being different?

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DFSee, by the way, is among other things an alternative to fdisk, but much more versatile -- and it works with Linux, Windows, Mac (I think), and OS/2. You can look at its website, or ask e.g. Felix Miata (or anyone else who came from OS/2) about it.

I "come from" OS2 myself, but DFSee wasn't of my tools back then. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Greg Freemyer

14:54

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Partitioning problem in installing oS v11.1

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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Stan Goodman wrote:

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At 14:23:39 on Thursday Thursday 01 October 2009, Per Jessen wrote:

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Stan Goodman wrote:

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as somebody else said, why don't you use YaST installer to do the partitionning?

Among other reasons, because I want to know why the installer has retained partition information that isn't there anymore, and where it is storing obsolete information.

Partition information is stored in the partition tables. When the partitioner finds your old partition scheme it's because it is still stored there.

I don't know dfsee either, I always use fdisk - what does fdisk says when you print the partition table?

I know that the partition tables store the partition scheme. But if I see a certain arrangement, that must be what the partition table is storing.

Exactly.

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I think, in fact, that HDs have two copies of the partition table.

Yes, it does.

Are you guys sure about that? Is that a unique Linux thing? Where is the second copy? The MBR (master boot record) (which includes the partition table) is normally marked by having AA55 as the last 2 bytes of the sector. That is also used for BR (Boot Records) (which do not have a copy of the partition table). Some filesystems (ie NTFS) have redundant copies of the BR at the end of the partition, but I'm not familiar with redundant copies of the MBR. note: I assume at this point that yast is keeping a redundant set of partition info somewhere, but I doubt it is in a raw sector which is how I am interpreting the above reference to a second copy. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.

15:28

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Partitioning problem in installing oS v11.1

On Thursday 01 October 2009 09:54:36 Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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Stan Goodman wrote:

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I think, in fact, that HDs have two copies of the partition table.

Yes, it does.

Only for GPT. Old-style "DOS" partition tables were only had one copy, at the beginning of the drive.

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Are you guys sure about that?

Yes. GPT requires two copies of the partition table. One is at the front of the drive, one is at the end of the drive. Both have a checksum as part of their data. If the checksum for one is invalid, it is ignored and the other copy used instead.

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Is that a unique Linux thing?

No. It is unique to GPT, AFAIK. BSD and Solaris disk labels didn't use two copies and neither do DOS-style partition tables.

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Where is the second copy?

At the end of the drive.

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The MBR (master boot record) (which includes the partition table)

When using GPT partition tables, neither copy is stored in the MBR. Instead, a "compatibility" partition table is stored where the DOS-style partition table would be (in the MBR). This compatibility table will contain one (primary) partition of type EE and (optionally) partitions (also primary) corresponding to the first 3 partitions in the GPT table. The compatibility table is ignored by systems that expect GPT partitions. For systems that support both the "DOS" partition tables and GPT partitions, the partition of type EE indicates that GPT is used on this disk. The extents of the EE partition do not matter; the GPT is always at a fixed location from the beginning (and end) of a drive and this is not affected by the extents of the EE partition in the compatibility partition table. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/

Stan Goodman

16:47

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Partitioning problem in installing oS v11.1

At 16:54:36 on Thursday Thursday 01 October 2009, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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Stan Goodman wrote:

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At 14:23:39 on Thursday Thursday 01 October 2009, Per Jessen

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Stan Goodman wrote:

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as somebody else said, why don't you use YaST installer to do the partitionning?

Among other reasons, because I want to know why the installer has retained partition information that isn't there anymore, and where it is storing obsolete information.

Partition information is stored in the partition tables. When the partitioner finds your old partition scheme it's because it is still stored there.

I don't know dfsee either, I always use fdisk - what does fdisk says when you print the partition table?

I know that the partition tables store the partition scheme. But if I see a certain arrangement, that must be what the partition table is storing.

Exactly.

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I think, in fact, that HDs have two copies of the partition table.

Yes, it does.

Are you guys sure about that? Is that a unique Linux thing? Where is the second copy?

It is not a special Linux thing. I don't know where it is or how to use it, but I hope I will soon.

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The MBR (master boot record) (which includes the partition table) is normally marked by having AA55 as the last 2 bytes of the sector. That is also used for BR (Boot Records) (which do not have a copy of the partition table). Some filesystems (ie NTFS) have redundant copies of the BR at the end of the partition, but I'm not familiar with redundant copies of the MBR.

note: I assume at this point that yast is keeping a redundant set of partition info somewhere, but I doubt it is in a raw sector which is how I am interpreting the above reference to a second copy.

Greg

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Per Jessen

17:03

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Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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I think, in fact, that HDs have two copies of the partition table.

Yes, it does.

Are you guys sure about that? Is that a unique Linux thing? Where is the second copy?

Not sure about that at all - not anymore. Not sure what I was thinking about either. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

15:02

New subject: [opensuse] Partitioning problem in installing oS v11.1

On 2009/10/01 16:08 (GMT+0200) Per Jessen composed:

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Stan Goodman wrote:

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I think, in fact, that HDs have two copies of the partition table.

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Yes, it does.

Where? This is news to me, unless he's using GPT instead of legacy partitioning. In legacy partitioning, the "table" is really a chain of sectors' tails, starting with the MBR sector and continuing with one sector's tail per non-primary partition. There is no standard cross-platform place in the chain for copies. -- " A patriot without religion . . . is as great a paradox, as an honest man without the fear of God. . . . 2nd U.S. President, John Adams Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott

16:07

Per Jessen wrote:

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DFSee, by the way, is among other things an alternative to fdisk, but much more versatile -- and it works with Linux, Windows, Mac (I think), and OS/2. You can look at its website, or ask e.g. Felix Miata (or anyone else who came from OS/2) about it.

I "come from" OS2 myself, but DFSee wasn't of my tools back then.

I used to do 3rd level OS/2 support at IBM Canada, as well as using it myself for about 10 years. I never heard of it either. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

16:25

New subject: [opensuse] Partitioning problem in installing oS v11.1

On 2009/10/01 12:07 (GMT-0400) James Knott composed:

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Per Jessen wrote:

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DFSee, by the way, is among other things an alternative to fdisk, but much more versatile -- and it works with Linux, Windows, Mac (I think), and OS/2. You can look at its website, or ask e.g. Felix Miata (or anyone else who came from OS/2) about it.

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I "come from" OS2 myself, but DFSee wasn't of my tools back then.

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I used to do 3rd level OS/2 support at IBM Canada, as well as using it myself for about 10 years. I never heard of it either.

It wasn't very well known last century. It's first public release was 1995, between Warp 3 and Warp 4 releases. I didn't run into it until 2001, after it was converted from freeware to shareware. http://www.dfsee.com/dfsee/history.php I'm still using OS/2 24/7 12.5 years after adopting its fulltime use. Technically the version I use is called eComStation (v1.14), due this month for release in version 2.0. -- " A patriot without religion . . . is as great a paradox, as an honest man without the fear of God. . . . 2nd U.S. President, John Adams Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott

20:29

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Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2009/10/01 12:07 (GMT-0400) James Knott composed:

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Per Jessen wrote:

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DFSee, by the way, is among other things an alternative to fdisk, but much more versatile -- and it works with Linux, Windows, Mac (I think), and OS/2. You can look at its website, or ask e.g. Felix Miata (or anyone else who came from OS/2) about it.

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I "come from" OS2 myself, but DFSee wasn't of my tools back then.

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I used to do 3rd level OS/2 support at IBM Canada, as well as using it myself for about 10 years. I never heard of it either.

It wasn't very well known last century. It's first public release was 1995, between Warp 3 and Warp 4 releases. I didn't run into it until 2001, after it was converted from freeware to shareware. http://www.dfsee.com/dfsee/history.php

I'm still using OS/2 24/7 12.5 years after adopting its fulltime use. Technically the version I use is called eComStation (v1.14), due this month for release in version 2.0.

I used OS/2 from April 1992 until some time in 2002, when I switched to Linux exclusively. I still have the Warp 4 box on my shelf, along with other versions going back to 2.1, but I no longer have it installed. I was at IBM from 1997 to 2000, the first time I was there, when I was doing the OS/2 work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Stan Goodman

16:45

At 16:08:57 on Thursday Thursday 01 October 2009, Per Jessen wrote:

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Stan Goodman wrote:

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At 14:23:39 on Thursday Thursday 01 October 2009, Per Jessen

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Stan Goodman wrote:

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as somebody else said, why don't you use YaST installer to do the partitionning?

Among other reasons, because I want to know why the installer has retained partition information that isn't there anymore, and where it is storing obsolete information.

Partition information is stored in the partition tables. When the partitioner finds your old partition scheme it's because it is still stored there.

I don't know dfsee either, I always use fdisk - what does fdisk says when you print the partition table?

I know that the partition tables store the partition scheme. But if I see a certain arrangement, that must be what the partition table is storing.

Exactly.

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I think, in fact, that HDs have two copies of the partition table.

Yes, it does.

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If that is true, it means that DFSee (and almost certainly fdisk as well) is looking at one of them, and the oS installer is l ooking at the other.

Quite possibly, but then the real question becomes - how did they end up being different?

I don't know. This has never happened to me before, and I hope it never happens again. Perhaps by the time the problem is cleared, I will have an answer.

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DFSee, by the way, is among other things an alternative to fdisk, but much more versatile -- and it works with Linux, Windows, Mac (I think), and OS/2. You can look at its website, or ask e.g. Felix Miata (or anyone else who came from OS/2) about it.

I "come from" OS2 myself, but DFSee wasn't of my tools back then.

Then you left very early on. I don't remember when its first release came out, but it was quite a long time ago. Maybe you didn't notice it.

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/Per

-- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.1°C)

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Per Jessen

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Stan Goodman wrote:

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DFSee, by the way, is among other things an alternative to fdisk, but much more versatile -- and it works with Linux, Windows, Mac (I think), and OS/2. You can look at its website, or ask e.g. Felix Miata (or anyone else who came from OS/2) about it.

I "come from" OS2 myself, but DFSee wasn't of my tools back then.

Then you left very early on. I don't remember when its first release came out, but it was quite a long time ago. Maybe you didn't notice it.

Maybe I never had a need that the standard tools didn't fulfill. I started with OS/2 around 1990/91 and went the whole way to Warp4 before quitting - around 1998 I think. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Stan Goodman

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At 19:05:50 on Thursday Thursday 01 October 2009, Per Jessen wrote:

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Stan Goodman wrote:

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DFSee, by the way, is among other things an alternative to fdisk, but much more versatile -- and it works with Linux, Windows, Mac (I think), and OS/2. You can look at its website, or ask e.g. Felix Miata (or anyone else who came from OS/2) about it.

I "come from" OS2 myself, but DFSee wasn't of my tools back then.

Then you left very early on. I don't remember when its first release came out, but it was quite a long time ago. Maybe you didn't notice it.

Maybe I never had a need that the standard tools didn't fulfill. I

Or you didn't spend much time on OS/2 Usenet forums.

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started with OS/2 around 1990/91 and went the whole way to Warp4 before quitting - around 1998 I think.

I switched from DOS to OS/2 as soon as v2.0 (the first IBM, i.e. post-M$) release came out, and threw in the towel in January 2008.

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/Per

-- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.6°C)

You're proud of your temperature? =;-))) You've made my day! For what it's worth, tomorrow is forecast to be 33C here; even now at 2330, it's 24C -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

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Then you left very early on. I don't remember when its first release came out, but it was quite a long time ago. Maybe you didn't notice it.

Maybe I never had a need that the standard tools didn't fulfill. I

Or you didn't spend much time on OS/2 Usenet forums.

Don't remember if I did or didn't to be honest.

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You're proud of your temperature? =;-))) You've made my day!

Proud?!? It's just an automatic signature, that's all. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.5°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

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Then you left very early on. I don't remember when its first release came out, but it was quite a long time ago. Maybe you didn't notice it.

Maybe I never had a need that the standard tools didn't fulfill. I

Or you didn't spend much time on OS/2 Usenet forums.

Don't remember if I did or didn't to be honest.

No, I was very new to the internet back then, I don't think I got "on-line" until 1993 with Compuserve on 56K dial-up. I'm pretty certain USENET was an unknown concept to me. Prior to that, I think my only "on-line" experiences were with IBMNET and Dial-IBM. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

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I think, in fact, that HDs have two copies of the partition table.

Yes, it does.

No, it doesn't. You may be confused with FAT, there are two copies, or with the new GPT partioning scheme, that does use two copies. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrFCKsACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WtuQCdGKCBmpkw8O7NPWbJILvV4SBH tTAAn2+gkzGSisuE8XImjTD8O2w1kU7N =dWcC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

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I know that the partition tables store the partition scheme. But if I see a certain arrangement, that must be what the partition table is storing.

I think, in fact, that HDs have two copies of the partition table.

No, not true. Simply reboot after using that dfsee, and then print what fdisk says that is there. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrFBkgACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VuSQCfbYXbEhav4BGdhGFkS0XAp0Ph iYYAnRCeb1nZgaj1rdjsqmLKQpXRdF7H =Q63l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Stan Goodman

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At 21:43:02 on Thursday Thursday 01 October 2009, "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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On Thursday, 2009-10-01 at 15:32 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:

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I know that the partition tables store the partition scheme. But if I see a certain arrangement, that must be what the partition table is storing.

I think, in fact, that HDs have two copies of the partition table.

No, not true.

Not the first time that what I knew wasn't true. I understand more about this than I did before someone posted real information about this.

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Simply reboot after using that dfsee, and then print what fdisk says that is there.

The machine has been rebooted many times since the DFSee operations. What is there is the partitions I put there, not what the installer says. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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