[opensuse] getting new laptop
i will be buying a new laptop in a week or so. In stage 1 I hope to run a dual boot system, some windoze version and then suse 10.3, probably 32 bit but that's not final, the 64 bit ver is not only faster, but it is approaching the 100% compatibility mark. no, thanks, i will not try 11.0 or 11.1 yet, i need a kde that has *no* hooks to kde4 until at least kde 4.4 as they mark them, but let's not digress. In stage 2 I hope to run suse 10.3 as the base system, then the plan is to load up vmware and run 2 or 3 virtual oss'es, and to include the "default" windoze partition as a vmware option. The plan is to Buy a core-duo from Dell or ibm/lenovo. 2.4 ghz plus, 4 gb ram, 300-500 gb hard drive, wifi. since there will be graphics involved, i might even go to a 17" lcd. blue ray read a possibility, but definitely not a must have. I am not scared of ati drivers, have installed a few with direct ati downloads (the trick really is to *reboot* right after running an aticonfig:)), so I ask the group what other pitfalls might I want to avoid. thanks in advance, d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
i will be buying a new laptop in a week or so.
In stage 1 I hope to run a dual boot system, some windoze version and then suse 10.3, probably 32 bit but that's not final, the 64 bit ver is not only faster, but it is approaching the 100% compatibility mark.
no, thanks, i will not try 11.0 or 11.1 yet, i need a kde that has *no* hooks to kde4 until at least kde 4.4 as they mark them, but let's not digress.
In stage 2 I hope to run suse 10.3 as the base system, then the plan is to load up vmware and run 2 or 3 virtual oss'es, and to include the "default" windoze partition as a vmware option.
The plan is to Buy a core-duo from Dell or ibm/lenovo. 2.4 ghz plus, 4 gb ram, 300-500 gb hard drive, wifi. since there will be graphics involved, i might even go to a 17" lcd. blue ray read a possibility, but definitely not a must have.
I am not scared of ati drivers, have installed a few with direct ati downloads (the trick really is to *reboot* right after running an aticonfig:)), so I ask the group what other pitfalls might I want to avoid.
thanks in advance,
From my view, and that's installing on a LOT of laptops, a 17" is great, but get nVidia for video and Intel for wifi!!! I'd also install 11.1 with KDE 3.5 if you don't want to "play" with 4.2. I think, by the way, that KDE 4.3 will be MUCH better by the time it releases than 4.2. 4.2 IS more than usable at this point. NO....it's still not as configurable as 3.5, but then, the devs. wanted something that more resembled Vista and 'Bloze 7, IMHO.
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kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
i will be buying a new laptop in a week or so.
In stage 1 I hope to run a dual boot system, some windoze version and then suse 10.3, probably 32 bit but that's not final, the 64 bit ver is not only faster, but it is approaching the 100% compatibility mark.
no, thanks, i will not try 11.0 or 11.1 yet, i need a kde that has *no* hooks to kde4 until at least kde 4.4 as they mark them, but let's not digress.
In stage 2 I hope to run suse 10.3 as the base system, then the plan is to load up vmware and run 2 or 3 virtual oss'es, and to include the "default" windoze partition as a vmware option.
The plan is to Buy a core-duo from Dell or ibm/lenovo. 2.4 ghz plus, 4 gb ram, 300-500 gb hard drive, wifi. since there will be graphics involved, i might even go to a 17" lcd. blue ray read a possibility, but definitely not a must have.
I am not scared of ati drivers, have installed a few with direct ati downloads (the trick really is to *reboot* right after running an aticonfig:)), so I ask the group what other pitfalls might I want to avoid.
thanks in advance,
d.
The biggest pitfall is dual boot itself. Not that its not doable, its just flat un-necessary with Vmware, and a big pain in the neck. Every time I've ever set it up I end up just dumping it and running one of the OSs in a VM. I especially warn you of using the actual HD windows partition as both a Virtual machine AND a native boot. Don't go there. Either run Windows native and Linux in the VM, or nuke the partition and run Linux Native and windows in a VM. Any windows license you get pre-installed by Dell will probably NOT be usable in a VM, because its a special OEM license which requires a specific hardware configuration. So unless you are willing to run windows as your host OS, you would be better buying a Linux machine from Dell (or a no-os machine) and using any old Windows License you have laying around. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
i will be buying a new laptop in a week or so.
In stage 1 I hope to run a dual boot system
I see no reason to do this, if you're planning on a VM anyway. In my last two laptops, I've immediately (before activation) dumped the base installed OS (and all the crapware shipped with it) and simply installed openSUSE. I then installed a VM and used the product key/activation from the original shipped version. (On a previous laptop, they gave me that POS, XP Home. So, I at least used my MSDN XP Pro version on the VM.) As for VMWare, you can certainly get that or use VirtualBox. I've used both and find that VirtualBox is almost as good as VMWare. In addition, it provides seamless integration with KDE. See the screen shot of my Windows Vista taskbar running right on top of the KDE taskbar (kicker). http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/2008/20081020_vista_virtualbox_seamless.pn...
, some windoze version and then suse 10.3, probably 32 bit but that's not final, the 64 bit ver is not only faster, but it is approaching the 100% compatibility mark.
I've had SUSE/openSUSE on five laptops. I am currently running 10.3 on one and 11.1 on another (with KDE 3.5x). Both are 32-bit. Here's what to watch for. First, I'd HIGHLY suggest Intel wireless. You get a native driver from Intel and it works. (There's the issue with KnetworkManager being finiky but that's a software thing, and I'm trying to get Wicd running to solve it.) Second, you want to go with a dedicated (not shared) video. I've found that I prefer NVidia over ATI, but really haven't found issue with either. If you go with an HP or a Dell, you should have no problems getting the multimedia keys to work. In both my recent laptops, the keys work out of the box. On my older laptops, I used LinEAK. I don't know if it is even supported. http://lineak.sourceforge.net/index.php?nav=docs You can always checkout Tux Mobil - http://tuxmobil.org - a site dedicated to mobile linux, or check out Linux on Laptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - for hardware information. You can also check out the openSUSE hardware guides: http://en.opensuse.org/Hardware and the LinuxQuestions.org Hardware Compatibility list: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/
no, thanks, i will not try 11.0 or 11.1 yet, i need a kde that has *no* hooks to kde4 until at least kde 4.4 as they mark them, but let's not digress.
11.1 works just fine with KDE 3.5x. No issues that I can find.
In stage 2 I hope to run suse 10.3 as the base system, then the plan is to load up vmware and run 2 or 3 virtual oss'es, and to include the "default" windoze partition as a vmware option.
The plan is to Buy a core-duo from Dell or ibm/lenovo. 2.4 ghz plus, 4 gb ram, 300-500 gb hard drive, wifi. since there will be graphics involved, i might even go to a 17" lcd. blue ray read a possibility, but definitely not a must have.
I am not scared of ati drivers, have installed a few with direct ati downloads (the trick really is to *reboot* right after running an aticonfig:)), so I ask the group what other pitfalls might I want to avoid.
thanks in advance,
d.
You should have plenty of luck. -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org XCJNaWNyb3NvZnQgaXNuXCd0IGV2aWwsIHRo ZXkganVzdCBtYWtlIHJlYWxseSBjcmFwcHkg b3BlcmF0aW5nIHN5c3RlbXMuXCIgLSBMaW51 cyBUb3J2YWxkcw== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 18 February 2009 03:28:45 pm kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
i will be buying a new laptop in a week or so.
In stage 1 I hope to run a dual boot system, some windoze version and then suse 10.3, probably 32 bit but that's not final, the 64 bit ver is not only faster, but it is approaching the 100% compatibility mark.
no, thanks, i will not try 11.0 or 11.1 yet, i need a kde that has *no* hooks to kde4 until at least kde 4.4 as they mark them, but let's not digress.
In stage 2 I hope to run suse 10.3 as the base system, then the plan is to load up vmware and run 2 or 3 virtual oss'es, and to include the "default" windoze partition as a vmware option.
The plan is to Buy a core-duo from Dell or ibm/lenovo. 2.4 ghz plus, 4 gb ram, 300-500 gb hard drive, wifi. since there will be graphics involved, i might even go to a 17" lcd. blue ray read a possibility, but definitely not a must have.
I am not scared of ati drivers, have installed a few with direct ati downloads (the trick really is to *reboot* right after running an aticonfig:)), so I ask the group what other pitfalls might I want to avoid.
thanks in advance,
d.
Thanks to all who commented, all input was useful. d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:28 AM,
i will be buying a new laptop in a week or so.
In stage 1 I hope to run a dual boot system, some windoze version and then suse 10.3, probably 32 bit but that's not final, the 64 bit ver is not only faster, but it is approaching the 100% compatibility mark.
no, thanks, i will not try 11.0 or 11.1 yet, i need a kde that has *no* hooks to kde4 until at least kde 4.4 as they mark them, but let's not digress.
In stage 2 I hope to run suse 10.3 as the base system, then the plan is to load up vmware and run 2 or 3 virtual oss'es, and to include the "default" windoze partition as a vmware option.
The plan is to Buy a core-duo from Dell or ibm/lenovo. 2.4 ghz plus, 4 gb ram, 300-500 gb hard drive, wifi. since there will be graphics involved, i might even go to a 17" lcd. blue ray read a possibility, but definitely not a must have.
I am not scared of ati drivers, have installed a few with direct ati downloads (the trick really is to *reboot* right after running an aticonfig:)), so I ask the group what other pitfalls might I want to avoid.
thanks in advance,
d. --
I'd like to second all the advice here, it's all very good. * Intel Wireless rocks * nvidia blows ATI away, especially if you want to connect another monitor or use 3D * virtualbox (non-OSE, i.e. from their website) seems faster than vmware for desktop usage, and is much more convenient than dual boot * Go KDE 3.5 with 11.1 -- Eric Springer, PGP Fingerprint: 097D E98D 9278 FE86 2659 2959 DA9E 90BD F183 2F88 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2009/02/20 00:37 (GMT+1000) Eric Springer composed:
* virtualbox (non-OSE, i.e. from their website)
What does the above mean? What is OSE? Whose website? IOW, which VirtualBox do you recommend using? -- "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up." Ephesians 4:29 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2009/02/20 00:37 (GMT+1000) Eric Springer composed:
* virtualbox (non-OSE, i.e. from their website)
What does the above mean? What is OSE? Whose website? IOW, which VirtualBox do you recommend using?
I personally like VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/ -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 19 February 2009 08:41:58 Felix Miata wrote:
On 2009/02/20 00:37 (GMT+1000) Eric Springer composed:
* virtualbox (non-OSE, i.e. from their website)
What does the above mean? What is OSE? Whose website? IOW, which VirtualBox do you recommend using?
Eric is suggesting that you use Sun's proprietary version of VirtualBox which is available at: http://www.virtualbox.org See http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions for the differences between the OSE version and Sun's proprietary version. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
i will be buying a new laptop in a week or so.
In stage 1 I hope to run a dual boot system, some windoze version and then suse 10.3, probably 32 bit but that's not final, the 64 bit ver is not only faster, but it is approaching the 100% compatibility mark.
no, thanks, i will not try 11.0 or 11.1 yet, i need a kde that has *no* hooks to kde4 until at least kde 4.4 as they mark them, but let's not digress.
11.0 is fine with kde 3.5. Most of all, the repository refresh improvement is worth the switch to 11.0 on its own. I concur with "no thanks" for 11.1 and kde4.
In stage 2 I hope to run suse 10.3 as the base system, then the plan is to load up vmware and run 2 or 3 virtual oss'es, and to include the "default" windoze partition as a vmware option.
Skip stage 1. Load the laptop using 100% of your available space, and then download and install virtualbox (from the virtualbox.org site) and allocate 10-20G of space for your virtual disk, load XP, and the virtual-extensions and never look back -- no need to. ATI will be fine after this latest snafu is cured. I have the 9.2 driver to install and check performance with. If it is still slow, then just switch back to the 8.9 driver and you will be good. NOTE: the 8.9 driver will not install on 11.1, but works great on 11.0. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
i will be buying a new laptop in a week or so.
In stage 1 I hope to run a dual boot system, some windoze version and then suse 10.3, probably 32 bit but that's not final, the 64 bit ver is not only faster, but it is approaching the 100% compatibility mark.
no, thanks, i will not try 11.0 or 11.1 yet, i need a kde that has *no* hooks to kde4 until at least kde 4.4 as they mark them, but let's not digress.
11.0 is fine with kde 3.5. Most of all, the repository refresh improvement is worth the switch to 11.0 on its own. I concur with "no thanks" for 11.1 and kde4.
I agree which is why I went with 11.1 and kde3 which works quite well. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
i will be buying a new laptop in a week or so.
In stage 1 I hope to run a dual boot system, some windoze version and then suse 10.3, probably 32 bit but that's not final, the 64 bit ver is not only faster, but it is approaching the 100% compatibility mark.
no, thanks, i will not try 11.0 or 11.1 yet, i need a kde that has *no* hooks to kde4 until at least kde 4.4 as they mark them, but let's not digress. 11.0 is fine with kde 3.5. Most of all, the repository refresh improvement is worth the switch to 11.0 on its own. I concur with "no thanks" for 11.1 and kde4.
I agree which is why I went with 11.1 and kde3 which works quite well.
Correct you are Ken, I have one box that is a dual-boot 11.0/11.1 machine with kde 3.5 on both. The 11.1 box started as kde4 and was reverted to kde35. I'll have to boot 11.1, update and give it another test-drive. IIRC last test drive of 11.1 and kde35, I didn't have any complaints, but I didn't drive it long enough to make a full assessment. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
This is mostly for folx who are looking for linux compatible laptops. A Dell Vostro 1710 with Nvidia video (UXGA) and dell wireless works GREAT! I shrunk the xp (NOT VISTA) partition with the 10.3 install disk, then installed 11.1-64 bit, kde- 3.5, no 4.x joke, will try a higher number when it gets around 5.2. grub is on the mbr. dual boot works, but it is not needed. EVERYTHING works fine, including multimedia. The one complaint is that i had to install ndiswrapper for the wireless,it too works fine now, a little better i think since the last knetworkmanager upgrade. don't have a fingerprint reader and just discovered that the machine came with a webcam, don't know if i want to install anything about it yet. d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
This is mostly for folx who are looking for linux compatible laptops. A Dell Vostro 1710 with Nvidia video (UXGA) and dell wireless works GREAT! I shrunk the xp (NOT VISTA) partition with the 10.3 install disk, then installed 11.1-64 bit, kde- 3.5, no 4.x joke, will try a higher number when it gets around 5.2. grub is on the mbr. dual boot works, but it is not needed. EVERYTHING works fine, including multimedia. The one complaint is that i had to install ndiswrapper for the wireless,it too works fine now, a little better i think since the last knetworkmanager upgrade. don't have a fingerprint reader and just discovered that the machine came with a webcam, don't know if i want to install anything about it yet. d.
Great choice of laptop to get a nvidia based graphics system. The souls stuck with ATI right now are not doing so well running 11.1. (11.0 and earlier still have good drivers available). For your wireless issue, post the output of: lspci then as root: dmidecode hwinfo --netcard And I bet either I, or someone with experience with your wireless adapter, can help get rid of ndiswrapper and your new box onto a native linux driver. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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