[opensuse] Leap 42.3 is supported, but contains unmaintained packages?
I wonder about the following comment on bug #1089987 (https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1089987).
Please note that mysql-community-server in openSUSE Leap 42.3 is marked as EOL and therefore unmaintained:
This rises some questions: 1) How do I know that some official packages in openSUSE 42.3 are unsupported (and thus potentially unsafe)? (Only very few MySQL/openSUSE users may read the bug reports and build service requests.) 2) If a package gets unmaintained, how do I get the notice? Personally I currently create my own fixed MySQL 5.6.40 version on openSUSE build service. But I a bit unsure and disappointed about the openSUSE security situation now. 3) Is there a openSUSE policy, which allows openSUSE to stay with unsafe packages? Greetings, Björn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 23 April 2018 at 15:00, Bjoern Voigt <bjoernv@arcor.de> wrote:
I wonder about the following comment on bug #1089987 (https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1089987).
Please note that mysql-community-server in openSUSE Leap 42.3 is marked as EOL and therefore unmaintained:
This rises some questions:
1) How do I know that some official packages in openSUSE 42.3 are unsupported (and thus potentially unsafe)?
(Only very few MySQL/openSUSE users may read the bug reports and build service requests.)
2) If a package gets unmaintained, how do I get the notice?
Personally I currently create my own fixed MySQL 5.6.40 version on openSUSE build service. But I a bit unsure and disappointed about the openSUSE security situation now.
zypper lifecycle is the tool that anyone should use to confirm the current support status of their current packages the deprecation of mysql-community-server was clearly documented in the release notes for 42.3: https://doc.opensuse.org/release-notes/x86_64/openSUSE/Leap/42.3/#sec.genera... You are expected to read the release notes for such notifications - thjat's why we include them in the installer even.
3) Is there a openSUSE policy, which allows openSUSE to stay with unsafe packages?
The package is only there to facilitate upgrades from earlier minor versions (which would immediately break without that package there). The policy is clear and our users have been notified, they should migrate to mariadb. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Richard Brown wrote:
zypper lifecycle is the tool that anyone should use to confirm the current support status of their current packages
the deprecation of mysql-community-server was clearly documented in the release notes for 42.3:
https://doc.opensuse.org/release-notes/x86_64/openSUSE/Leap/42.3/#sec.genera...
You are expected to read the release notes for such notifications - thjat's why we include them in the installer even. Thank you. I didn't know the "zypper lifecycle" command and I didn't read the section in release notes.
To be honest, I read release notes only, if I install openSUSE or upgrade openSUSE to a newer version. I guess that MySQL became deprecated sometime after the openSUSE 42.3 release. There is also a translation error in the release notes: English: "The packages exist to aid migration, but their use is discouraged and they may not receive updates." German: "Die Pakete existieren zur Migrationsunterstützung, aber es wird von ihrer Verwendung abgeraten und sie dürfen keine Updates erhalten." "sie dürfen keine Updates erhalten" means translated back to English: "they must not receive updates". As I think, that the English original text is right, I suggest the following German translation "Die Pakete existieren zur Migrationsunterstützung, aber es wird von ihrer Verwendung abgeraten und sie könnten keine Updates mehr erhalten." BTW, mysql-community-server in openSUSE Leap 42.3 had initially the version 5.6.36-25.1 and got three updates (5.6.37-27.1, 5.6.38-30.1, 5.6.39-33.1). I currently test 5.6.40 for me and the community (in my home repository). Greetings, Björn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op maandag 23 april 2018 15:54:58 CEST schreef Bjoern Voigt:
Richard Brown wrote:
zypper lifecycle is the tool that anyone should use to confirm the current support status of their current packages
the deprecation of mysql-community-server was clearly documented in the release notes for 42.3:
https://doc.opensuse.org/release-notes/x86_64/openSUSE/Leap/42.3/#sec.gene ral.deprecated
You are expected to read the release notes for such notifications - thjat's why we include them in the installer even.
Thank you. I didn't know the "zypper lifecycle" command and I didn't read the section in release notes.
To be honest, I read release notes only, if I install openSUSE or upgrade openSUSE to a newer version. I guess that MySQL became deprecated sometime after the openSUSE 42.3 release.
There is also a translation error in the release notes:
English: "The packages exist to aid migration, but their use is discouraged and they may not receive updates."
German: "Die Pakete existieren zur Migrationsunterstützung, aber es wird von ihrer Verwendung abgeraten und sie dürfen keine Updates erhalten."
"sie dürfen keine Updates erhalten" means translated back to English: "they must not receive updates".
As I think, that the English original text is right, I suggest the following German translation "Die Pakete existieren zur Migrationsunterstützung, aber es wird von ihrer Verwendung abgeraten und sie könnten keine Updates mehr erhalten."
BTW, mysql-community-server in openSUSE Leap 42.3 had initially the version 5.6.36-25.1 and got three updates (5.6.37-27.1, 5.6.38-30.1, 5.6.39-33.1).
I currently test 5.6.40 for me and the community (in my home repository).
Greetings, Björn Curious: what's the problem with mariadb ?
-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Knurpht @ openSUSE wrote:
Curious: what's the problem with mariadb ? MariaDB is fine. But I develop software with MySQL and my customers use MySQL on SLES 11. If I would use MariaDB, I had to do additional compatibility tests with MySQL on other machines, VMs, docker instances or LXC containers etc.
Greetings, Björn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-04-23 15:23, Richard Brown wrote:
On 23 April 2018 at 15:00, Bjoern Voigt <bjoernv@arcor.de> wrote:
I wonder about the following comment on bug #1089987 (https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1089987).
Please note that mysql-community-server in openSUSE Leap 42.3 is marked as EOL and therefore unmaintained:
This rises some questions:
1) How do I know that some official packages in openSUSE 42.3 are unsupported (and thus potentially unsafe)?
(Only very few MySQL/openSUSE users may read the bug reports and build service requests.)
2) If a package gets unmaintained, how do I get the notice?
Personally I currently create my own fixed MySQL 5.6.40 version on openSUSE build service. But I a bit unsure and disappointed about the openSUSE security situation now.
zypper lifecycle is the tool that anyone should use to confirm the current support status of their current packages
News to me. :-o
the deprecation of mysql-community-server was clearly documented in the release notes for 42.3:
https://doc.opensuse.org/release-notes/x86_64/openSUSE/Leap/42.3/#sec.genera...
I did not notice it. And I did read the notice at the time.
You are expected to read the release notes for such notifications - thjat's why we include them in the installer even.
3) Is there a openSUSE policy, which allows openSUSE to stay with unsafe packages?
The package is only there to facilitate upgrades from earlier minor versions (which would immediately break without that package there). The policy is clear and our users have been notified, they should migrate to mariadb.
Is there somewhere instructions on how to migrate from the community version to mariadb? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Is there somewhere instructions on how to migrate from the community version to mariadb? openSUSE MariaDB packages contain scripts for automatic migration from MySQL 5.6 to MariaDB. To be safe, shutdown MySQL and backup /etc/my.cnf, /etc/my.cnf.d/ and /var/lib/mysql.
Greetings, Björn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-04-24 11:02, Bjoern Voigt wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Is there somewhere instructions on how to migrate from the community version to mariadb? openSUSE MariaDB packages contain scripts for automatic migration from MySQL 5.6 to MariaDB. To be safe, shutdown MySQL and backup /etc/my.cnf, /etc/my.cnf.d/ and /var/lib/mysql.
Then I just install MariaDB, stop one, start the other? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 2018-04-24 11:02, Bjoern Voigt wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Is there somewhere instructions on how to migrate from the community version to mariadb? openSUSE MariaDB packages contain scripts for automatic migration from MySQL 5.6 to MariaDB. To be safe, shutdown MySQL and backup /etc/my.cnf, /etc/my.cnf.d/ and /var/lib/mysql.
Looking again, I thought I had installed both. Then looking more carefully, I don't: Telcontar:~ # rpm -qa | grep -i maria mariadb-10.0.34-32.2.x86_64 mariadb-client-10.0.34-32.2.x86_64 mariadb-bench-10.0.34-32.2.x86_64 mariadb-errormessages-10.0.34-32.2.x86_64 Telcontar:~ # rpm -qa | grep -i mysql-community mysql-community-server-errormessages-5.6.39-33.1.noarch Telcontar:~ # Telcontar:~ # rpm -qf /usr/sbin/mysqld mariadb-10.0.34-32.2.x86_64 Telcontar:~ # I have some mysql libraries because of some dependency, and I got confused. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Regardless of the unmaintained status of MySQL in openSUSE 42.3 and the advice to migrate to MariaDB I saw on the build service, that an security update to MySQL 5.6.40 is in the pipeline. We will see it in some days. Fine and thanks. Greetings, Björn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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