Dear SuSE community! This is a call for help and a troll against linux. Is it possible that in particular situations Linux may kill the main board of any laptop? By now I destroyed with the help of SuSE Linux 8.2 and 9.0 2 (!) laptops in the last 2 month: An older Maxdata and a brand new Dell Inspiron 5100. Both show the same symptoms: They simply don't react after turning the power on (except turning on the fan and the CD drive). The repair service believes it is the main board which must be replaced. And each time the 'damage' resulted from similar situations (the first time I believed it was the age of my laptop): I wanted to change the BIOS configuration. To enter the setup you have to press F2 in the very beginning. Usually I miss this time. Hence, I resetted the computer after missing it. However, I am used to damages to the file system in the worst case - therefore, to press reset is a very common and intuitive way. Well. Sometimes it can also kill your whole hardware. Now I have 2 questions: (1) What happened ???! (2) Who can I sue for it? After all this operating system (really, I liked it till now) destroyed a value of 2500 Euro (2700 $) within only 2 month! As a student I can live with that money for a whole year - and then I wanted to finish a research project next week - 3 complete month of work are gone now. Now, this is a 'free' operating system. Who is responsible? Linus Torvalds? SuSE? The developer who produced this bug? Rather nobody. After this incident I have to define 'reliability' in a new sense. This warranty problem might be a reason to encourage companies to stay at Windows, HP-UX or MacOS. Regards Sebastian
On Wednesday 03 December 2003 09:52 pm, Sebastian Wolff wrote:
Dear SuSE community!
This is a call for help and a troll against linux.
Is it possible that in particular situations Linux may kill the main board of any laptop?
By now I destroyed with the help of SuSE Linux 8.2 and 9.0 2 (!) laptops in the last 2 month: An older Maxdata and a brand new Dell Inspiron 5100. Both show the same symptoms:
They simply don't react after turning the power on (except turning on the fan and the CD drive). The repair service believes it is the main board which must be replaced.
And each time the 'damage' resulted from similar situations (the first time I believed it was the age of my laptop):
I wanted to change the BIOS configuration. To enter the setup you have to press F2 in the very beginning. Usually I miss this time. Hence, I resetted the computer after missing it. However, I am used to damages to the file system in the worst case - therefore, to press reset is a very common and intuitive way.
Well. Sometimes it can also kill your whole hardware.
Now I have 2 questions:
(1) What happened ???!
(2) Who can I sue for it?
After all this operating system (really, I liked it till now) destroyed a value of 2500 Euro (2700 $) within only 2 month! As a student I can live with that money for a whole year - and then I wanted to finish a research project next week - 3 complete month of work are gone now. Now, this is a 'free' operating system. Who is responsible? Linus Torvalds? SuSE? The developer who produced this bug? Rather nobody. After this incident I have to define 'reliability' in a new sense. This warranty problem might be a reason to encourage companies to stay at Windows, HP-UX or MacOS.
Regards Sebastian ==============
HELLO! Reality check needed over here! Sebastian, for one thing, do you even think that Dell would offer to replace a motherboard for you if they even remotely thought your OS was causing it to die? Now the user, I would guess they might suspect. I think you might want to look elsewhere for your problem as Dell will certainly not want to replace your unit many times. I suspect either they will locate the problem or warn you about doing something wrong. Otherwise, check your facilities at your location, including the connection between the chair & computer. ;o) Lee -- --- KMail v1.5.4 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.0 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
On Wednesday 03 December 2003 9:52 pm, Sebastian Wolff wrote:
Dear SuSE community!
This is a call for help and a troll against linux.
Is it possible that in particular situations Linux may kill the main board of any laptop?
I doubt it. This sounds like the sort of things I heard when I was running OS/2 ( Warp4+ whatever it had got to when I stopped ) ANY and Every alleged computer hardware specialist would say when he couldn't find Autoexec.bat ... When I kept insisting it didn't NEED that file ( after all it's config.sys took care of all those items ususally located there.) He would look at me, shake his head, and begin talking accross me to my Husband, which was an error in judgement . My husband had no idea, I had been the family tech support for years... At some point in the various discussions they always said that the OS had damaged the hardware. Some of you will have heard this item : but I shall persist as it does have a point relevant to this discussion <g> As if that weren't bad enough , the ( also alleged ) tech suppport and IT guys at his job claimed that my sending an email from my os/2 computer to my husband on their lan ( at the job) would DAMAGE the hardware in their system, AND take the lan down so that it would require major work to get it up, it would also require replacing hardware !!! ( BTW they never knew when I did it anyway, guess they weren't very good at their jobs ) Scarey, folks get paid for that sort of thing.
By now I destroyed with the help of SuSE Linux 8.2 and 9.0 2 (!) laptops in the last 2 month: An older Maxdata and a brand new Dell Inspiron 5100. Both show the same symptoms:
They simply don't react after turning the power on (except turning on the fan and the CD drive). The repair service believes it is the main board which must be replaced.
And each time the 'damage' resulted from similar situations (the first time I believed it was the age of my laptop):
I wanted to change the BIOS configuration. To enter the setup you have to press F2 in the very beginning. Usually I miss this time. Hence, I resetted the computer after missing it. However, I am used to damages to the file system in the worst case - therefore, to press reset is a very common and intuitive way.
Well. Sometimes it can also kill your whole hardware. I wish I knew exactly what steps you were taking when Linux "destroyed your laptops"
When did you push this reset button; after your laptop had fully booted ? HOW did you change bios settings? By actually hitting the F2 button , or in some other way?
Now I have 2 questions:
(1) What happened ???!
Only the gods know at present.
(2) Who can I sue for it?
right now, it would be folly to sue anyone , especially if, as a starving student you have not the cash to replace your dead laptop. Lawyers, especially those in Civil litigation often require huge amounts of cash. ( Huge , obviously, in relation to your obviously strapped state )
After all this operating system (really, I liked it till now) destroyed a value of 2500 Euro (2700 $) within only 2 month! As a student I can live with that money for a whole year - and then I wanted to finish a research project next week - 3 complete month of work are gone now.
Now, this is a 'free' operating system. Who is responsible? Linus Torvalds? SuSE? The developer who produced this bug? Rather nobody. After this incident I have to define 'reliability' in a new sense. This warranty problem might be a reason to encourage companies to stay at Windows, HP-UX or MacOS.
Did you pay for your OS, or download it? As far as I know, no OS is required to be responsible for hardware failures. Otherwise, MS would not still be in business.
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Sebastian Wolff wrote:
Dear SuSE community!
This is a call for help and a troll against linux. ...
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Hi, Am Donnerstag, 4. Dezember 2003 03:52 schrieb Sebastian Wolff:
This is a call for help and a troll against linux. ^^^^^
Thanks for making it obvious (also, this is the third list I have seen this posting on now ...). [...]
(2) Who can I sue for it?
Sue me. hartmut
* Sebastian Wolff (sebastian.wolff@bauing.uni-weimar.de) [031203 19:00]:
Dear SuSE community!
This is a call for help and a troll against Linux.
This bullshit and your right a troll from someone who knows very little about hardware.
Is it possible that in particular situations Linux may kill the main board of any laptop?
Nope. But it can write to writable eproms such as the bios which is evident in the Mandrake incident in which a bug caused Mandrake 9.2 to screw up the eprom on certain CDROM drives. But if that was the case then a $20 bios chip would fix your issue not a whole new main board.
the worst case - therefore, to press reset is a very common and intuitive way. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WTF is this? You sound like some foofoo Mac user who thinks "force-quit" is an intuitive way to kill a program when as of OSX it's just a fancy (read idiotic term) for kill -9 >pid< ...this doesn't inspire confidence at all.
Well. Sometimes it can also kill your whole hardware.
You can..an OS can not. My buddy called me last night saying the same shit but he's not the most computer savvy guy but it just so happened that close to the same time he installed SUSE 9.0...his six year old..yes six year old CDROM drive decided to crap out. It was not Linux that killed it..it was that it was a $20 POS CDROM when I bought it for him..so I'm surprised it had lasted this long. But thank God instead of freaking out and spouting nonsense about suing someone for his POS CD drive he asked calm rational questions and figured the problem out.
(1) What happened ???!
You own a computer when you should not and/or maybe someone you know should get you a Powerbook an the 1-800 # for tech support?
(2) Who can I sue for it?
The obstetrician your parents used?
After all this operating system (really, I liked it till now) destroyed a value of 2500 Euro (2700 $) within only 2 month! As a student I can live with that money for a whole year - and then I wanted to finish a research project next week - 3 complete month of work are gone now.
Backups..always keep backups.
Now, this is a 'free' operating system. Who is responsible? Linus Torvalds? SuSE? The developer who produced this bug? Rather nobody. After this incident I have to define 'reliability' in a new sense. This warranty problem might be a reason to encourage companies to stay at Windows, HP-UX or MacOS.
No one really because SUSE Linux didn't do anything wrong in this situation..and neither would any of the other environments you meant. Please learn what your talking about before coming on this list to rant and rave. And if you are just simply a troll as one other suggested then I hope you read this and understand that we won't fall for this sort of behavior as some of my fellow OS/2 users did. We simply don't care if like or use Linux...it's about time we stopped pandering to people who shouldn't even own a computer in most cases. We really need the gene pool cleaned in the computer world. If you are a University student then by God I hope your a freshman and that by the time you get out you will be better at critical thinking. bah! -- Ben Rosenberg ---===--- #147972 ---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org -- Why do we bother with a suicide watch when someone is on deathrow? " Keep an eye on this guy. We're gonna kill him, and we don't want him to hurt himself."
To the originator of this crap: Dude, you owed me a new keyboard. I spilled a hot coffee over it when I laughed reading your bullshit. Now I'm gonna sue you for the damages. Doesn't it sound the same as your troll story? Are you a law school student by the chance? Alex On Wednesday 03 December 2003 09:10 pm, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Sebastian Wolff (sebastian.wolff@bauing.uni-weimar.de) [031203 19:00]:
Dear SuSE community!
This is a call for help and a troll against Linux.
This bullshit and your right a troll from someone who knows very little about hardware.
Is it possible that in particular situations Linux may kill the main board of any laptop?
Nope. But it can write to writable eproms such as the bios which is evident in the Mandrake incident in which a bug caused Mandrake 9.2 to screw up the eprom on certain CDROM drives. But if that was the case then a $20 bios chip would fix your issue not a whole new main board.
the worst case - therefore, to press reset is a very common and intuitive way.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WTF is this? You sound like some foofoo Mac user who thinks "force-quit" is an intuitive way to kill a program when as of OSX it's just a fancy (read idiotic term) for kill -9 >pid< ...this doesn't inspire confidence at all.
Well. Sometimes it can also kill your whole hardware.
You can..an OS can not. My buddy called me last night saying the same shit but he's not the most computer savvy guy but it just so happened that close to the same time he installed SUSE 9.0...his six year old..yes six year old CDROM drive decided to crap out. It was not Linux that killed it..it was that it was a $20 POS CDROM when I bought it for him..so I'm surprised it had lasted this long. But thank God instead of freaking out and spouting nonsense about suing someone for his POS CD drive he asked calm rational questions and figured the problem out.
(1) What happened ???!
You own a computer when you should not and/or maybe someone you know should get you a Powerbook an the 1-800 # for tech support?
(2) Who can I sue for it?
The obstetrician your parents used?
After all this operating system (really, I liked it till now) destroyed a value of 2500 Euro (2700 $) within only 2 month! As a student I can live with that money for a whole year - and then I wanted to finish a research project next week - 3 complete month of work are gone now.
Backups..always keep backups.
Now, this is a 'free' operating system. Who is responsible? Linus Torvalds? SuSE? The developer who produced this bug? Rather nobody. After this incident I have to define 'reliability' in a new sense. This warranty problem might be a reason to encourage companies to stay at Windows, HP-UX or MacOS.
No one really because SUSE Linux didn't do anything wrong in this situation..and neither would any of the other environments you meant.
Please learn what your talking about before coming on this list to rant and rave. And if you are just simply a troll as one other suggested then I hope you read this and understand that we won't fall for this sort of behavior as some of my fellow OS/2 users did. We simply don't care if like or use Linux...it's about time we stopped pandering to people who shouldn't even own a computer in most cases. We really need the gene pool cleaned in the computer world.
If you are a University student then by God I hope your a freshman and that by the time you get out you will be better at critical thinking.
bah!
-- Ben Rosenberg ---===--- #147972 ---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org -- Why do we bother with a suicide watch when someone is on deathrow? " Keep an eye on this guy. We're gonna kill him, and we don't want him to hurt himself."
On Thursday 04 December 2003 12:10 am, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Sebastian Wolff (sebastian.wolff@bauing.uni-weimar.de) [031203 19:00]: <snip>
If you are a University student then by God I hope your a freshman and that by the time you get out you will be better at critical thinking. Critical thinking ? Schools have begun teaching critical thinking again? When did that happen ?
GD&R very very fast! :^)
Just for the record Sebastian, I have about 4 out of a batch of 12 laptops which display the same symptoms. They were all running windows XP. Any suggestions? Eddie. On Thursday 04 December 2003 2:52 am, Sebastian Wolff wrote:
Dear SuSE community!
This is a call for help and a troll against linux.
Is it possible that in particular situations Linux may kill the main board of any laptop?
By now I destroyed with the help of SuSE Linux 8.2 and 9.0 2 (!) laptops in the last 2 month: An older Maxdata and a brand new Dell Inspiron 5100. Both show the same symptoms:
They simply don't react after turning the power on (except turning on the fan and the CD drive). The repair service believes it is the main board which must be replaced.
And each time the 'damage' resulted from similar situations (the first time I believed it was the age of my laptop):
I wanted to change the BIOS configuration. To enter the setup you have to press F2 in the very beginning. Usually I miss this time. Hence, I resetted the computer after missing it. However, I am used to damages to the file system in the worst case - therefore, to press reset is a very common and intuitive way.
Well. Sometimes it can also kill your whole hardware.
Now I have 2 questions:
(1) What happened ???!
(2) Who can I sue for it?
After all this operating system (really, I liked it till now) destroyed a value of 2500 Euro (2700 $) within only 2 month! As a student I can live with that money for a whole year - and then I wanted to finish a research project next week - 3 complete month of work are gone now. Now, this is a 'free' operating system. Who is responsible? Linus Torvalds? SuSE? The developer who produced this bug? Rather nobody. After this incident I have to define 'reliability' in a new sense. This warranty problem might be a reason to encourage companies to stay at Windows, HP-UX or MacOS.
Regards Sebastian
On Thursday 04 December 2003 2:52 am, Sebastian Wolff wrote:
They simply don't react after turning the power on (except turning on the fan and the CD drive). The repair service believes it is the main board which must be replaced.
And each time the 'damage' resulted from similar situations (the first time I believed it was the age of my laptop):
I wanted to change the BIOS configuration. To enter the setup you have to press F2 in the very beginning. Usually I miss this time. Hence, I resetted the computer after missing it. However, I am used to damages to the file system in the worst case - therefore, to press reset is a very common and intuitive way.
I'm a hardware reseller in a small town in the middle of Java (Indonesia). 100% of my customer run win'95, win'98 even XP on their computers. Sometimes it happens that way, after you reset your box, then your computer won't boot up again. I just open the box and clear the CMOS. And it will works again. But your problem is more difficult, because it's a notebook. Maybe you can tell the repairman to clear the CMOS? You see, it's not SUSE Linux that killed your mainboard. Best regards, David
On Wed December 3 2003 09:52 pm, Sebastian Wolff wrote:
By now I destroyed with the help of SuSE Linux 8.2 and 9.0 2 (!) laptops in the last 2 month: An older Maxdata and a brand new Dell Inspiron 5100. Both show the same symptoms:
Just one last note to satisfy the troll..... When I first got SUSE 9.0 about a month ago, the first thing I did was to install it on a Dell 5100, also quite new. Works like a charm. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 12/04/03 09:37 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ 'Freedom of the press belongs to those who own one.' -- A. J. Liebling
Sebastian Wolff wrote:
Dear SuSE community!
This is a call for help and a troll against linux. It worked too. Look how many took the bait. You got 10 people to reply while I got zero response to my question about a SIIG RAID controller. What's your secret?
Damon Register
It worked too. Look how many took the bait. You got 10 people to reply while I got zero response to my question about a SIIG RAID controller. What's your secret?
The key appears to be to use an inflammatory, inaccurate and ill thought out Subject: line... -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 9.0) GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 07:29:03AM -0800, Damon Register wrote:
It worked too. Look how many took the bait. You got 10 people to reply while I got zero response to my question about a SIIG RAID controller. What's your secret?
Isn't it obvious? It's the subject title! :) Ok, try this one: Subject: Linux killed my hardware! Hello all, For the past several hours/days/weeks I've tried to get my SIIG RAID controller to work under SuSE 9.0. I'm afraid that I may smash the thing with a sledgehammer if I don't find a solution soon. If I do, can I sue SuSE for the damage they have caused by providing me with a product that doesn't automatically configure my SIIG RAID controller properly? The only other solution would be for someone to give me a few hints as to why I can't get this controller to work. I see the following errors: ...... And then you continue with your problem description. :) Regards, Pieter Hulshoff
On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 08:29, Damon Register wrote:
Sebastian Wolff wrote:
Dear SuSE community!
This is a call for help and a troll against linux. It worked too. Look how many took the bait. You got 10 people to reply while I got zero response to my question about a SIIG RAID controller. What's your secret?
Hot buttons! Don Henson
Go to http://www.linux-laptop.net/dell.html scroll down to the 5100 and see that linux does indeed work on that model. Maybe you just have some faulty hardware, maybe you are not adding something that is needed. Another page on installing Suse directly: http://www.albion.uklinux.net/inspiron5100.html On my Sony I had to add the boot parameters... On a side note: where does it die? Is it possable you don't have a bootable partition? Or that grub/lilo is not getting loaded from the MBR? Does it boot from CD...but not the Harddrive? Did you set bios to boot from CD but not the HD? Can you get back to the bios? or do you not even get that far? It is possable that the older computer would not have everything working, however, I have installed on many "old systems" and linux always works. I just had to hunt around for patches for the rest of the thing. I even had to not install X on one occasion. Is maybe X just not working with your vid card? try ctr-alt-F2 and get a classic console and see dmesg. I don't think you have a floppy drive on that one, but try to boot from the cdrom...or floppy(if you have one) and check out grub/lilo (whichever you are using. On Wednesday 03 December 2003 6:52 pm, Sebastian Wolff wrote:
Dear SuSE community!
This is a call for help and a troll against linux.
Is it possible that in particular situations Linux may kill the main board of any laptop?
By now I destroyed with the help of SuSE Linux 8.2 and 9.0 2 (!) laptops in the last 2 month: An older Maxdata and a brand new Dell Inspiron 5100. Both show the same symptoms:
They simply don't react after turning the power on (except turning on the fan and the CD drive). The repair service believes it is the main board which must be replaced.
And each time the 'damage' resulted from similar situations (the first time I believed it was the age of my laptop):
I wanted to change the BIOS configuration. To enter the setup you have to press F2 in the very beginning. Usually I miss this time. Hence, I resetted the computer after missing it. However, I am used to damages to the file system in the worst case - therefore, to press reset is a very common and intuitive way.
Well. Sometimes it can also kill your whole hardware.
Now I have 2 questions:
(1) What happened ???!
(2) Who can I sue for it?
After all this operating system (really, I liked it till now) destroyed a value of 2500 Euro (2700 $) within only 2 month! As a student I can live with that money for a whole year - and then I wanted to finish a research project next week - 3 complete month of work are gone now. Now, this is a 'free' operating system. Who is responsible? Linus Torvalds? SuSE? The developer who produced this bug? Rather nobody. After this incident I have to define 'reliability' in a new sense. This warranty problem might be a reason to encourage companies to stay at Windows, HP-UX or MacOS.
Regards Sebastian
-- Michael P Russell Software Engineer The Titan Corporation Electromagnetics & Electronics Division 700 Comanche Rd NE Albuquerque, NM 87107-4106 (505) 344-7455 ext. 116 mrussell2@titan.com
Ok, I see that was fun for most of you. But I want to ask you how YOU would react when the shock is only a few hours old. I have to add something: o It is not a compatibility problem: Linux itself worked like a number one. Now the computer simply doesn't start anymore. o I didn't change the BIOS - I didn't have the chance any more, the only thing I did was to press the reset button. o Off course there is no backup - I tracked over 2 GB of data only in the last 4 weeks. But the data are saved. I figured out how to take out the harddrive and will insert it in the notebook of a friend. o Concerning a messed up CMOS I have to ask the support to check that. It's in repair right now. After the first observations they said it is definitely something with the mainboard. o The only interesting thing you should consider: Why happened the same twice? Two notebooks with the same hardware problem? On another list someone told me that he had the same problem. Off course you might laugh at me what I did: But in the good old DOS/Windows world it was quit reasonable. And another thing: Are you REALLY sure that an os can't destroy any hardware (possibly overloads etc.)? Thanks to all for either the entertainment or the advise. Regards sebastian Quoting michael russell <mrussell2@titan.com>:
Go to http://www.linux-laptop.net/dell.html scroll down to the 5100 and see that linux does indeed work on that model. Maybe you just have some faulty hardware, maybe you are not adding something
that is needed. Another page on installing Suse directly: http://www.albion.uklinux.net/inspiron5100.html On my Sony I had to add the boot parameters...
On a side note: where does it die? Is it possable you don't have a bootable
partition? Or that grub/lilo is not getting loaded from the MBR?
Does it boot from CD...but not the Harddrive? Did you set bios to boot from CD but not the HD? Can you get back to the bios? or do you not even get that far?
It is possable that the older computer would not have everything working, however, I have installed on many "old systems" and linux always works. I just had to hunt around for patches for the rest of the thing. I even had
to not install X on one occasion. Is maybe X just not working with your vid
card? try ctr-alt-F2 and get a classic console and see dmesg.
I don't think you have a floppy drive on that one, but try to boot from the cdrom...or floppy(if you have one) and check out grub/lilo (whichever you are
using.
On Wednesday 03 December 2003 6:52 pm, Sebastian Wolff wrote:
Dear SuSE community!
This is a call for help and a troll against linux.
Is it possible that in particular situations Linux may kill the main board of any laptop?
By now I destroyed with the help of SuSE Linux 8.2 and 9.0 2 (!) laptops in the last 2 month: An older Maxdata and a brand new Dell Inspiron 5100. Both show the same symptoms:
They simply don't react after turning the power on (except turning on the fan and the CD drive). The repair service believes it is the main board which must be replaced.
And each time the 'damage' resulted from similar situations (the first time I believed it was the age of my laptop):
I wanted to change the BIOS configuration. To enter the setup you have to press F2 in the very beginning. Usually I miss this time. Hence, I resetted the computer after missing it. However, I am used to damages to the file system in the worst case - therefore, to press reset is a very common and intuitive way.
Well. Sometimes it can also kill your whole hardware.
Now I have 2 questions:
(1) What happened ???!
(2) Who can I sue for it?
After all this operating system (really, I liked it till now) destroyed a value of 2500 Euro (2700 $) within only 2 month! As a student I can live with that money for a whole year - and then I wanted to finish a research project next week - 3 complete month of work are gone now. Now, this is a 'free' operating system. Who is responsible? Linus Torvalds? SuSE? The developer who produced this bug? Rather nobody. After this incident I have to define 'reliability' in a new sense. This warranty problem might be a reason to encourage companies to stay at Windows, HP-UX or MacOS.
Regards Sebastian
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* Sebastian Wolff <sebastian.wolff@bauing.uni-weimar.de> (Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 08:00:42PM +0100)
Ok, I see that was fun for most of you. But I want to ask you how YOU would react when the shock is only a few hours old.
Different . Yellign, screaming and hollering probabluy, but not blaming it on the OS.
I have to add something: o It is not a compatibility problem: Linux itself worked like a number one. Now the computer simply doesn't start anymore.
o I didn't change the BIOS - I didn't have the chance any more, the only thing I did was to press the reset button.
Did you try powering down the machine completely (i.e. remove batteries, unplug powercord) then try powering it up again with only the powercord connectd (so no batteries ). I've hjad one dead battery (on a compaq armada 486) do something similar.
o Off course there is no backup - I tracked over 2 GB of data only in the last 4 weeks. But the data are saved. I figured out how to take out the harddrive and will insert it in the notebook of a friend.
My colleague generated over 50G of seismic data last week. It's all backed up. It' a matter of comparing the cost of your work vs the cost of a backup medium. 2GB of data is 3 CDrs (or one DVD) . CDwiters are $40's extra on a new laptop, DVD writer are approx $200 - $300. An external firewire/IEEE harddrive costs $300-sh (and will hold 200G of data).
o Concerning a messed up CMOS I have to ask the support to check that. It's in repair right now. After the first observations they said it is definitely something with the mainboard.
o The only interesting thing you should consider: Why happened the same twice? Two notebooks with the same hardware problem? On another list someone told me that he had the same problem. Off course you might laugh at me what I did: But in the good old DOS/Windows world it was quit reasonable. And another thing:
I've quite a bit of experience with dell laptops, and have handled/installed a few dozen over the years. Thi8s has never happened to me (and I've done the hit reset during bootup often enough). Im not surte at which stage you did the poweroff/reset thing, but assuming you did it during the first few seconds of bootup, the harddrive was still mounted readonly.
Are you REALLY sure that an os can't destroy any hardware (possibly overloads etc.)?
Oh I am positive that any piece of hardware can be damaged by the software, but not in the way you describe it. Everything you describes leads me to suggest a hardware error.
Thanks to all for either the entertainment or the advise.
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On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:00:42 +0100, Sebastian Wolff <sebastian.wolff@bauing.uni-weimar.de> wrote:
o The only interesting thing you should consider: Why happened the same twice? Two notebooks with the same hardware problem? On another list someone told me that he had the same problem.
sound like maybe the manufacturer might have some bad boards for that model - it happens
On Thursday 04 December 2003 19:00, Sebastian Wolff wrote:
Ok, I see that was fun for most of you. But I want to ask you how YOU would react when the shock is only a few hours old.
Sebastian, I don't think anybody on the list actually gets pleasure from reading about other peoples disasters. Most people are only too keen to help. The way you worded your post... and the attitude which seemed to be behind your words.. you didn't appear to be seeking help, just venting spleen. Jake
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