Fwd: [opensuse] Want To Try OpenSUSE - But Struggling With Live DVD
Thanks Ted.
The computer is actually a couple of years old, so I don't think I
have any really new hardware. (I did but in a new hard drive and DVD
drive this last few months though.)
All I really want to do is install OpenSuSE on an empty ext3 partition
on the hard drive. I'm already running Debian on the computer, and I
want to try dual-booting with an RPM based distro.
Perhaps the LiveDVD isn't the best way to get OpenSuSE installed. I
don't have a connection to the internet on that computer. Should I try
to install from CD, or will I run into the same problems?
Thanks,
Scott Huey
On 11/23/06, ted leslie
my guess is you have a new chip set (for IDE/SATA, etc) or a very rare one.
I know lately in about aug./2006 a new nvidia chip set came out, and i think you have to be REALLY recent in the kernel to get it to work. A chip set could very well work with PATA, but not a sata drive. Right now the server works HT1000 chip set (like on tyan mobo), doesn't work for me in sata, there is kernel source for a driver from the company (bcraid), but its not in the linus (or Suse) kernel as of yet.
What live version are you using? I remastered the most recent live version of openSuse available then stuck the 2.6.18-2 in it, it helped me for device support, but broke app-armour (which isn't to big a deal for me right now).
IF you are using a mobo that is a new model in last couple/few months and its Sata, what you are experiencing isn't all that surprising.
also don't forget to try safe boot (nodma, etc), also some times mobo options can help to.
A live DVD for 10.2 would probably solve your issues, but that is probably a little ways away.
A usb DVD rom (or rom/writer) could also solve it perhaps. If you don;t want to access your harddrive, try the boot DVD, and disable your SATA interface (if mobo allows).
-tl
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 19:02 -0800, Redefined Horizons wrote:
I want to try OpenSuSE, but I'm struggling with the Live DVD I downloaded and burned. First I couldn't load the DVD because I didn't have the required 512 MB of RAM. I got around that by using the shift key trick.
However, when I get the "can't find kernel image" message when I try to run the DVD from the text mode by entering "linux" or "failsafe". I read something about OpenSuSE not supporting certain types of disk drives, or something like that.
Is there a work-around simple enough for a noobie, or do I need to look at another RPM based distro?
Thanks for the help. I hope I'm not overlooking something obvious. I'd really like to get OpenSuSE working.
Scott Huey
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On Friday 24 November 2006 08:50, Redefined Horizons wrote:
Perhaps the LiveDVD isn't the best way to get OpenSuSE installed. I don't have a connection to the internet on that computer. Should I try to install from CD, or will I run into the same problems?
The SUSE Live DVD is not installable, it only runs using RAM. It doesn't put anything on your hdd. I know there are other distros that have a first CD that is both a Live and an install CD (nice feature), but in SUSE these are separated. If you want to install the distribution, you should get the Remastered DVD or CD images. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Thanks Ted.
The computer is actually a couple of years old, so I don't think I have any really new hardware. (I did but in a new hard drive and DVD drive this last few months though.)
All I really want to do is install OpenSuSE on an empty ext3 partition you need more then this, at least usually. One partion will not properly allow for a linux install, you want a swap, and a / at a min., and a boot loader would need to be installed (i.e. grub/lilo) to pick between them. You could steal the swap from your Deb. and assign it to openSuse when you boot it of course. What stopped your live from booting, could very well stop a normal install at the same kernel level, i.e. on my tyan with the HT1000 chip set, live and normal install will not work because the kernel does't support it. If your computer is a few years old it really should work (high high
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 22:50 -0800, Redefined Horizons wrote: probability). One think i have experienced, but this was some years ago, is that on a Live distro they use to use a floppy boot sector emulation to work from the CD, then they went to EL Torito for HW that supported it, but if the initrd.gz is to big some El Torito's even screw up, and openSuse has a pretty big initrd.gz on the live distros as it packs alot of stuff in there. In the floppy emu days, you had to keep your initrd.gz under 1.4MB, my openSuse new remaster Live DVD is 45MB (initrd), and I have actually run into a mobo that does have issue booting because of that. You should google for "linux" and your mother board model, you'll undoubtedly get some feed back perhaps negative and positive. Another thing that you shuold do, all be it unlikely is make sure the md5sum matches on what you down loaded, and what you burned, make sure you do a verify, this way you can rule out any data corruption. In over 500 peoples machines (most different), which i have supported LIVE CD/DVD, failures have been few, and due to either the floppy/el-torito issue (some years ago), or too new chip sets with no or questionable linux support. And this later has always been resolved with a newer kernel, except for the serverworks chip set on tyan HT1000, which is still a work in progress for me, as their drivers havn't been adopted into linux (but this is a high end server mobo). -tl
on the hard drive. I'm already running Debian on the computer, and I want to try dual-booting with an RPM based distro.
Perhaps the LiveDVD isn't the best way to get OpenSuSE installed. I don't have a connection to the internet on that computer. Should I try to install from CD, or will I run into the same problems?
Thanks,
Scott Huey
On 11/23/06, ted leslie
wrote: my guess is you have a new chip set (for IDE/SATA, etc) or a very rare one.
I know lately in about aug./2006 a new nvidia chip set came out, and i think you have to be REALLY recent in the kernel to get it to work. A chip set could very well work with PATA, but not a sata drive. Right now the server works HT1000 chip set (like on tyan mobo), doesn't work for me in sata, there is kernel source for a driver from the company (bcraid), but its not in the linus (or Suse) kernel as of yet.
What live version are you using? I remastered the most recent live version of openSuse available then stuck the 2.6.18-2 in it, it helped me for device support, but broke app-armour (which isn't to big a deal for me right now).
IF you are using a mobo that is a new model in last couple/few months and its Sata, what you are experiencing isn't all that surprising.
also don't forget to try safe boot (nodma, etc), also some times mobo options can help to.
A live DVD for 10.2 would probably solve your issues, but that is probably a little ways away.
A usb DVD rom (or rom/writer) could also solve it perhaps. If you don;t want to access your harddrive, try the boot DVD, and disable your SATA interface (if mobo allows).
-tl
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 19:02 -0800, Redefined Horizons wrote:
I want to try OpenSuSE, but I'm struggling with the Live DVD I downloaded and burned. First I couldn't load the DVD because I didn't have the required 512 MB of RAM. I got around that by using the shift key trick.
However, when I get the "can't find kernel image" message when I try to run the DVD from the text mode by entering "linux" or "failsafe". I read something about OpenSuSE not supporting certain types of disk drives, or something like that.
Is there a work-around simple enough for a noobie, or do I need to look at another RPM based distro?
Thanks for the help. I hope I'm not overlooking something obvious. I'd really like to get OpenSuSE working.
Scott Huey
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Also of note, is a DVD burnt from the same machine you read it from is 99.9999999% reliable, but reading a DVD that was burnt from another machine, depending on the media there can be wonkyness, i have found a high end DVD blank media burnt with a high end DVD burner will fail on about 3-4 percent of the readers on various desktops, granted they might be really cheap readers. I have switched to a DVD blank called Taiyo Yuden and that works every time (but its 2x the cost of other so called good brands). This is unlikely in your case , as DVD reader inaccuracies usually show up with random failure locations. But maybe your LIVE DVD burn was suspect in the first place. -tl On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 22:50 -0800, Redefined Horizons wrote:
Thanks Ted.
The computer is actually a couple of years old, so I don't think I have any really new hardware. (I did but in a new hard drive and DVD drive this last few months though.)
All I really want to do is install OpenSuSE on an empty ext3 partition on the hard drive. I'm already running Debian on the computer, and I want to try dual-booting with an RPM based distro.
Perhaps the LiveDVD isn't the best way to get OpenSuSE installed. I don't have a connection to the internet on that computer. Should I try to install from CD, or will I run into the same problems?
Thanks,
Scott Huey
On 11/23/06, ted leslie
wrote: my guess is you have a new chip set (for IDE/SATA, etc) or a very rare one.
I know lately in about aug./2006 a new nvidia chip set came out, and i think you have to be REALLY recent in the kernel to get it to work. A chip set could very well work with PATA, but not a sata drive. Right now the server works HT1000 chip set (like on tyan mobo), doesn't work for me in sata, there is kernel source for a driver from the company (bcraid), but its not in the linus (or Suse) kernel as of yet.
What live version are you using? I remastered the most recent live version of openSuse available then stuck the 2.6.18-2 in it, it helped me for device support, but broke app-armour (which isn't to big a deal for me right now).
IF you are using a mobo that is a new model in last couple/few months and its Sata, what you are experiencing isn't all that surprising.
also don't forget to try safe boot (nodma, etc), also some times mobo options can help to.
A live DVD for 10.2 would probably solve your issues, but that is probably a little ways away.
A usb DVD rom (or rom/writer) could also solve it perhaps. If you don;t want to access your harddrive, try the boot DVD, and disable your SATA interface (if mobo allows).
-tl
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 19:02 -0800, Redefined Horizons wrote:
I want to try OpenSuSE, but I'm struggling with the Live DVD I downloaded and burned. First I couldn't load the DVD because I didn't have the required 512 MB of RAM. I got around that by using the shift key trick.
However, when I get the "can't find kernel image" message when I try to run the DVD from the text mode by entering "linux" or "failsafe". I read something about OpenSuSE not supporting certain types of disk drives, or something like that.
Is there a work-around simple enough for a noobie, or do I need to look at another RPM based distro?
Thanks for the help. I hope I'm not overlooking something obvious. I'd really like to get OpenSuSE working.
Scott Huey
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