splitting my previous email up into two threads, this is the second one... about annoyances with SuSE. my discussion was about my disliking of suse's automating everything - forcing YaST/SuSEconfig upon the user and centering everything around making pretty GUIs. yuck! i don't think i'll get around running debian again simply because suse's configuration stuff is getting on my balls. and another very annoying point is the SuSE vs. linux kernel approach. no, i don't want to always have to use SuSE's rpm package kernels instead of the kernel.org one simply because i like to patch kernels every now and then. SuSE voids warranty with another kernel and that's almost ridiculous. there exists a number of software products which require kernel patches, which SuSE either does not carry, or for which they have given alternate solutions - but if i spent 3 months learning one product and love it, i am not going to switch because it's not integrateable with SuSE's approach. martin [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo madduck@!#:1:s@\@@@.net -- de gustibus non est disputandum.
On January 10, 2001 10:32 am, MaD dUCK wrote:
splitting my previous email up into two threads, this is the second one... about annoyances with SuSE.
my discussion was about my disliking of suse's automating everything - forcing YaST/SuSEconfig upon the user and centering everything around making pretty GUIs. yuck! i don't think i'll get around running debian again simply because suse's configuration stuff is getting on my balls.
Could you or anybody else PLEASE tell me one thing that Yast does that you can't do by hand?? Anything? I've used various version of SuSE over the years. Yes Yast may do more then it did but it also plays nicer then it used. It will actually leave config files you manually edit alone. To be honest I used SuSE for months before even knowing Yast did anything but handle the install. If it wasn't for this list I would never have know that Yast did more then handle the intial install. No I don't read docs-)
and another very annoying point is the SuSE vs. linux kernel approach. no, i don't want to always have to use SuSE's rpm package kernels instead of the kernel.org one simply because i like to patch kernels
So grab the kernel from Kernel.org like the rest of us. Or grab the ones from the ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next and patch that. Nick
Nick Zentena wrote:
Could you or anybody else PLEASE tell me one thing that Yast does that you can't do by hand?? Anything? I've used various version of SuSE over the years. Yes Yast may do more then it did but it also plays nicer then it used. It will actually leave config files you manually edit alone. To be honest I used SuSE for months before even knowing Yast did anything but handle the install. If it wasn't for this list I would never have know that Yast did more then handle the intial install. No I don't read docs-)
It's the other way round Nick. ;-( If you do things by hand, next time SuSEconfig runs your neatly done changes are overwritten. On the other hand, I appreciate SuSEconfig to configure my sendmail (i.e.) and I do not want to do that on my own. I dislike the rc.config file been sourced everywhere for everything, rather like the other appeoach (like HPUX) the "network" boot script accessing a file called network and so on. With that, you have a hell of single files to maintain but it's much clearer. I hope for a general solution to this and am prepared to stick for the status quo for a while, but I am not realy happy. Juergen -- =========================================== __ _ Juergen Braukmann juergen.braukmann@gmx.de| -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb@db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu | /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ===========================================_\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\
On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 04:44:22PM +0100, juergen.braukmann@ruhr-west.de wrote:
Nick Zentena wrote:
Could you or anybody else PLEASE tell me one thing that Yast does that you can't do by hand?? Anything? I've used various version of SuSE over the years. Yes Yast may do more then it did but it also plays nicer then it used. It will actually leave config files you manually edit alone. To be honest I used SuSE for months before even knowing Yast did anything but handle the install. If it wasn't for this list I would never have know that Yast did more then handle the intial install. No I don't read docs-)
You don't read docs ? Then your ignorance is self-inflicted. Cliff
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