Re: [opensuse] Ballmer: Linux users owe Microsoft
From what I've read, this is not the case at all. My understanding is that what Novell is trying to do is make sure that ONLY the variety of Linux controlled by Novell can be used (paying!) where it really matters and makes a difference (public administrations, schools and businesses).
If I'm wrong, that's good, but then can you please point me to official declarations from Microsoft, Novell or their single executives stating or admitting that any organizations or end user can
That's difficult to believe *if* what Novell is doing strenghtens the concept that the community has no right or legal guarantees to develop or use, for any purpose, other Free Software. Again, please provide
If that were the case it would be indeed a cause for concern, but that is just what the media are implying, not what Novell are saying. professionally use or develop other "brands" of "Free as in Freedom" software without legal risks? See Q3, and 4 in the FAQ http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq_opensource.html Novell's position is that the software they are distributing does not infringe, and if it is found to they will remove the infringing part. Therefore any other distributor distributing the same software does not need protection. proofs that this is not the case, I'd really like (seriously) to be wrong on this. As above, Novell's stated position is that the community and other distributors are not at risk. Microsoft on the other hand (well Ballmer) has been implying that recently, but that is nothing todo with the MS-Novell deal, and directly contradicts Novell's statements.
This is correct, because forking is useless or undoable when the problem is software patents. See my other message in this thread.
Exactly, if Novell don't have the right to ship something due to patent infringement then neither do other parties. _ Benjamin Weber -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 19 November 2006 11:32, B.Weber@warwick.ac.uk wrote:
See Q3, and 4 in the FAQ http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq_opensource.html
Novell's position is that the software they are distributing does not infringe, and if it is found to they will remove the infringing part.
Yes, provided that one is detected in time. Stuff like this is seriously risky: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/11/18/1838229.shtml So Novell is really asking the community to believe in their capability to detect violations. Plus, we'd have to believe in their good intent in the subject. 'Good will' deals are something MS has historically been very good at - but sooner or later you will get stabbed in the back. -- // Janne -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Please, that slashdot story turns "Novell contributes code to a free software project" into FUD, even the commenters see past it.
So Novell is really asking the community to believe in their capability to detect violations. Plus, we'd have to believe in their good intent in the subject. 'Good will' deals are something MS has historically been very good at - but sooner or later you will get stabbed in the back.
The deal has nothing to do with it, without a deal they still could not include violating GPLed software. The deal has no bearing on it, and every distributor in the US is in the same situation, not just Novell. Actively looking for infringements is not usually done by anyone, as that would make them liable to triple damages and court costs in the event of legal action. _ Benjamin Weber -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 19 November 2006 14:22, B.Weber@warwick.ac.uk wrote:
Please, that slashdot story turns "Novell contributes code to a free software project" into FUD, even the commenters see past it.
Yeah, but there's a valid bit of 'reasonable doubt'. Now that they have worked past GPL, it is indeed reasonable to be cautious about their moves. Good will does not go very far with Microsoft. -- // Janne -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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