I asked the Alionet admin and here is his answer: (english translation below) "Collaborer certe, mais à quel niveau ! Cela fait presque 2 ans que notre forum est ouvert et les rares contactes que j'ai avec les commerciaux de Novell et autre, c'est pour fermer notre forum afin de faire la même chose, mais ailleur. Idem, nous avions demander dès lors l'ouvertures de OpenSUSE.org, avoir une partie français et il ne l'ont ouvert y'a qu'un mois. Concrètement, je ne suis pas contre l'ouverture de ce forum, mais je ne veux pas être un simple membre sans information. Cordialement, Galagann" sort of translation: "Collaborate, yes, but at what level! Our forum is open for now two years and the scarce contacts I had with Novell comercials was to ask us to shut down the forum and do the same thing elsewhere. also we asked at the openig of opensuse.org to have a french part and they open only a month ago practically, I'm not opposed to the opening of this forum, but I don't want to be a non informed member" I keep the discussion open (me, jdd) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Quelques images: http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html
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I asked the Alionet admin and here is his answer: (english translation below)
jdd, thanks for contacting them.
"Collaborer certe, mais à quel niveau ! (french can't spell ;P)
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sort of translation: Your translation is accurate.
"Collaborate, yes, but at what level! Our forum is open for now two years and the scarce contacts I had with Novell comercials was to ask us to shut down the forum and do the same thing elsewhere.
I wonder what he is referring to. I really don't see what "Novell commercials" have to do with the (open)SUSE community. This is about us, not about Novell.
also we asked at the opening of opensuse.org to have a french part and they open only a month ago
So, basically: - - those guys are nowhere on the opensuse mailing-list - - they asked to have a wiki part localized in french but they didn't follow up by any means because it has been announced several times and progress has been reported by the SUSE staff about the internationalized wikis (on mailing-lists, on IRC meetings, on the wiki)
practically, I'm not opposed to the opening of this forum, but I don't want to be a non informed member"
Actually he said he doesn't want to be a "simple member without information". Of course, existing forum moderators should have a high priority for getting that job. At least, it seems obvious in my opinion, both because they have experience with it, and also because they have been filling that gap in the community before openSUSE. Anything else would be plain stupid IMO ;) Nevertheless, I find it quite disappointing to see that near none of those webforum admins/moderators (including other forums) are on this mailing-list. It's not about whining and waiting to get invited to the party, subscribe to the list and speak up. jdd: can those folks be contacted somehere interactively ? IRC, Jabber, ... ? Could you please suggest to them to subscribe to this mailing-list ? cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser@skynet.be> <guru@unixtech.be> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFD3UFUr3NMWliFcXcRAkMWAKCzMnktTdFI2Wo713Ezvz9TSc/u4wCeMRmC UU9BKUkvol5wEZuJxIwNZi0= =+JtT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 11:27:33PM +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Nevertheless, I find it quite disappointing to see that near none of those webforum admins/moderators (including other forums) are on this mailing-list. It's not about whining and waiting to get invited to the party, subscribe to the list and speak up.
jdd: can those folks be contacted somehere interactively ? IRC, Jabber, ... ? Could you please suggest to them to subscribe to this mailing-list ?
Well, the reason they ARE on a forum is because they don't like mailinglists and that is how this whole thing started in the first place. If there would be a forum, most likely they would be seen there. :-) Another problem could be language. It would be nice to have a place for all moderaters of all languages to comunicate with eachother. A place where moderators can discuss. Most likely they would like this to be a forum as well. That platform can be used as a testbase for later forums. houghi -- Go climb a gravity well!
Pascal Bleser wrote:
jdd: can those folks be contacted somehere interactively ? IRC, Jabber, ... ? Could you please suggest to them to subscribe to this mailing-list ?
I did in the first place :-) but if I do not so much like forums, they seems not so much like mailing lists :-( jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Quelques images: http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html
On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 09:39 +0100, jdd wrote:
Pascal Bleser wrote:
jdd: can those folks be contacted somehere interactively ? IRC, Jabber, ... ? Could you please suggest to them to subscribe to this mailing-list ?
I did in the first place :-)
but if I do not so much like forums, they seems not so much like mailing lists :-(
Forums are not "as personal" as mailing lists. This format seems more like family, a little more personal. How do I know when something new has been posted in a forum, do I keep hitting refresh and keep hopping from topic to topic? -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
Kenneth Schneider wrote:
Forums are not "as personal" as mailing lists. This format seems more like family, a little more personal. How do I know when something new has been posted in a forum, do I keep hitting refresh and keep hopping from topic to topic?
forum are more like "digest" of lists (I find very "un"digests :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Quelques images: http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html
On Monday 30 January 2006 08:22, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
Forums are not "as personal" as mailing lists. This format seems more like family, a little more personal. How do I know when something new has been posted in a forum, do I keep hitting refresh and keep hopping from topic to topic?
Well you can recieve automatic emails when a new post has been made to a thread, but you wont get another email on that thread having been posted to until you check it out (so you aren't inundated), which is listed in a group of subscribed threads, which you can also simply check there without getting email notification. Theres also weekly updates, and while you're browsing around, the images indicate new threads/posts/etc. So theres alot of ways really. And don't we all hop from topic to topic, on a forum or otherwise? Joseph M. Gaffney aka CuCullin
Joseph M. Gaffney wrote:
So theres alot of ways really. And don't we all hop from topic to topic, on a forum or otherwise?
Only when the thread indicates new postings. And the thread might not even be shown if I'm filtering e.g. "only threads I'm active in". /Per Jessen, Zürich
On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 15:43 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Joseph M. Gaffney wrote:
So theres alot of ways really. And don't we all hop from topic to topic, on a forum or otherwise?
Only when the thread indicates new postings. And the thread might not even be shown if I'm filtering e.g. "only threads I'm active in".
Whereas here I see each post as soon as it hits my (filtered) folder. No hunting/searching for new posts needed. Each has it's own +'s and -'s and would need to be tied together somehow. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
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