Reply on 29-11-2006 10:43:11 <<<
I've looked all over Suse and Novell's web site for the
openxchange
server. Is it still in existence? And does any one have a link?
Or
is
not it now www.open-xchange.org )Open-Xchange ?
ISTR that this was dropped as a product quite some time ago although
it
continued as an OSS project. Perhaps it's died?
Note that Novell also stopped providing paid-for hackers for its Hula[1] project (which they formed about 20 months ago by effectively open sourcing NetMail). This will also remain as an OSS project and hopefully some people will take up the development work.
Yes, that's a sad story. SLOX (SuSE Linux OpenXchange) was very promising. When SuSE got bought by Novell, there were far to many Messaging services around (netmail, groupwise, slox), so slox had to go away.
Hula is, let's say, I child under the projects and when I looked at it, was not very evolved. I don't know how much changed in this time. But when comparing Hula and OpenXchange with Zimbra [1] for example, you probably see why they disappear and don't get that much attention anymore.
Regards, Dominique
[1]http://www.zimbra.com/ (online demo also available)
Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
Yes, that's a sad story. SLOX (SuSE Linux OpenXchange) was very promising. When SuSE got bought by Novell, there were far to many Messaging services around (netmail, groupwise, slox), so slox had to go away.
Hula is, let's say, I child under the projects and when I looked at it, was not very evolved. I don't know how much changed in this time. But when comparing Hula and OpenXchange with Zimbra [1] for example, you probably see why they disappear and don't get that much attention anymore.
Regards, Dominique
[1]http://www.zimbra.com/ (online demo also available)
Not really. Being someone who has to use Zimbra (just for IMAP at the moment) I can say that you don't want to use Zimbra as IMAP service. I haven't analyzed it yet but it seems that it only allows one open IMAP session per user. That means that folder switching takes ages. It doesn't support ACLs for IMAP and it doesn't support IMAP IDLE as it seems.
Wolfgang
On Wednesday 29 November 2006 08:45, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
Hula is, let's say, I child under the projects and when I looked at it, was not very evolved. I don't know how much changed in this time. But when comparing Hula and OpenXchange with Zimbra [1] for example, you probably see why they disappear and don't get that much attention anymore.
That's very interesting for our Netmail (the product on which Hula was based) customers. From their white paper:
"OpenLDAP is embedded within Zimbra in order to manage all of this Zimbra-specific configuration data without reliance upon external directories. At the same time, Zimbra supports the proxying of user login and access to the Global Address List (GAL) to an existing enterprise directory such as Microsoft Active Directory or other LDAP-compliance directories. "
so existing user accounts in eDirectory, which Netmail used, could be used for authentication.
Thanks for the link.
Cheers
Pete
On Wednesday 29 November 2006 10:45, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
Yes, that's a sad story. SLOX (SuSE Linux OpenXchange) was very promising.
But this hasn't gone anywhere, didn't drop from the face of the Earth either. It's being actively developed further. It's quite good, too.
Hi!
On 11/29/06, Dominique Leuenberger Dominique.Leuenberger@tmf-group.com wrote:
Yes, that's a sad story. SLOX (SuSE Linux OpenXchange) was very promising. When SuSE got bought by Novell, there were far to many Messaging services around (netmail, groupwise, slox), so slox had to go away.
2-3 years ago, I looked at alternatives to Exchange. All I found was SLOX. Looked good. Goal: linux server, windows desktops with outlook. Just slightly one year ago, we had to make a decision. Until that we only had linux servers. Users wanted calendar with the features from Outlook and Exchange. SLOX had not gone anywhere, so we desided that it's not the route to go. And still no other alternatives. So the easy choice then (even for me) was to go with Small Business Server. SLOX was the only alternative. I just do not know what the "linux people" look in a groupware clients and servers. What the users want is in Outlook+Exchange. If you do not even want to produce that, you will not compete.
I'm sad to see SLOX go, but I'm also glad I didn't push that... life has been easy with Exchange.
On Sat, 2006-12-09 at 19:10 +0200, HG wrote:
Hi!
On 11/29/06, Dominique Leuenberger Dominique.Leuenberger@tmf-group.com wrote:
Yes, that's a sad story. SLOX (SuSE Linux OpenXchange) was very promising. When SuSE got bought by Novell, there were far to many Messaging services around (netmail, groupwise, slox), so slox had to go away.
2-3 years ago, I looked at alternatives to Exchange. All I found was SLOX. Looked good. Goal: linux server, windows desktops with outlook. Just slightly one year ago, we had to make a decision. Until that we only had linux servers. Users wanted calendar with the features from Outlook and Exchange. SLOX had not gone anywhere, so we desided that it's not the route to go. And still no other alternatives. So the easy choice then (even for me) was to go with Small Business Server. SLOX was the only alternative. I just do not know what the "linux people" look in a groupware clients and servers. What the users want is in Outlook+Exchange. If you do not even want to produce that, you will not compete.
I'm sad to see SLOX go, but I'm also glad I didn't push that... life has been easy with Exchange.
-- HG.
You should look at GroupWise and it comes with a free linux host.
Hi!
On 12/9/06, James Tremblay jamesat@comcast.net wrote:
You should look at GroupWise and it comes with a free linux host.
We did look at some point. Didn't support Outlook as client (I think it now does). And somehow I remember that you could only get free evaluation... Anyways, generally, you only loose this kind of thing once. Now we have MS and I would never want to have a task of trying move away from it. You choose one, and then you are stuck. That's how it goes.
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