On Thursday 21 March 2002 08:16 pm, Monte Milanuk wrote:

On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:37:08 -0800 ---------snip---------------

Does no one know the answer to this, or am I being ignored? I've asked several questions on this topic or others that were related, and for the most part, I get no responses on list, and only a few (thank you those who did respond) off-list.

Ya know, I've had the same response @ times, I'd just have to assume that nobody knows (or perhaps the beer thread is more interesting :-0) Sorry I can't help w/ your prob, I'm sure I've seen similar questions in the recent past, (might try the archives) just didn't apply to my knowledge or interest so they just washed over me... good luck. -- dh

It's also a busy list, so the people who DO know about your problem might not be looking, or might miss your particular cry for help if it was one of 87 messages that came through in the same half hour. Some of them actually work for a living. :-) Also, the people who might happen to have knowledge that you need might be in a distant timezone. So, even though it adds to congestion, it might be best to repeat a request at different times of day. Also, also, (and again, due to volume) many people will screen according to the "Subject:" line. If you re-post with different wording in the "Subject:" and maybe also different emphasis in your explanation of the problem, it might trigger the ole recognition circuits in somebody who just blinked the first (ten) time(s). <g> /kevin On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 00:34, deadwill@cryogen.com wrote:

Don't get discouraged. I've run through the same thing. Sometimes people can help and sometimes they can't. Usually, in an attempt to save us all the useless mail, nobody replies that they can not help. Just repost later and maybe someone who has the answer, or knows where to find it can help. This is an incredible list and it does take a while some times to get an answer that helps. Good things come to those that wait. The rest of us just sit back and learn as the questions/answers go by.

-- Kevin McLauchlan Chrysalis-ITS, Inc. "Ultimate Trust(TM)"

On Friday 22 March 2002 04:08 am, Rafael E. Herrera wrote:

I posted a solution to the same problem early this year. Could you search the list archives?

I've often seen people suggest "searching the archives" I've tried this myself but I haven't found an actual search mechanism there, just monthly listings. :-(. Perhaps you could point it out for us. On the other hand maybe you could give a Time frame so he wouldn't have to sift through all 15,000 messages since the beginning of the year. Even viewing 1 month's worth of messages takes quite some time @ 56 k. For example I went to Dec 2000, and clicked sort by subject when I started this message, I'm a really slow typist, but the page is still loading. Pardon my snippy reply but I hate it when I I look for "hamburger" in the phone book and it tells me to look under "burgers, ham" rather than just giving the answer. -- dh

On Friday 22 March 2002 02:13 pm, Rafael E. Herrera wrote:

David Herman wrote:

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On Friday 22 March 2002 04:08 am, Rafael E. Herrera wrote:

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I posted a solution to the same problem early this year. Could you search the list archives?

I've often seen people suggest "searching the archives" I've tried this myself but I haven't found an actual search mechanism there, just monthly listings. :-(. Perhaps you could point it out for us.

On the other hand maybe you could give a Time frame so he wouldn't have to sift through all 15,000 messages since the beginning of the year. Even viewing 1 month's worth of messages takes quite some time @ 56 k. For example I went to Dec 2000, and clicked sort by subject when I started this message, I'm a really slow typist, but the page is still loading.

Pardon my snippy reply but I hate it when I I look for "hamburger" in the phone book and it tells me to look under "burgers, ham" rather than just giving the answer.

Well, if you would have actually tried you would have found the solution I posted.

Well, if you would have actually read my mail you would know I hadn't posted the question in the first place. I was mainly commenting that The archives aren't particularly search friendly, and that it is as easy to post an answer you know as to tell someone to go look for it. ps. I read the list, you don't have to cc: me

Speaking of the archives... is there a way (I haven't seen it) to search message content? My experience is that finding a solution in the archive involves a lot of reading ... and then you need a lot of luck. People -- especially beginners -- use Subject lines that are not necessarily informative, and then the subject line remains unchanged, thereafter. So, only rarely does it reflect the general problem and the posted solution. A text-string search of message bodies in each archive would be golden... like a junior Google, local to the archive web page. Rafael had a point, but only in the limited situation where he already knew the solution because he had posted (therefore searchable by author) and he knew within a three-month period when he had posted. I've found several helpful things in the archives while failing to find anything about the actual problem I was searching for. That's not a very efficient way to do things, and it only happens at all because I'm the type that can get fascinated (and distracted) and stay away from my real work, longer than is good for me. How many people really have TIME to plow through 3700 messages (January archive only) especially when you consider how long it takes for an individual message to open? I find that it often takes longer for a message to open and close (returning to the chosen month archive list) than it does to read the text and decide that I'd wasted yet another click. At 30 seconds per message (open it, scan it, reject it, close it), it would take 60 hours to view January. More if you found anything interesting to read. Even assuming you can reject two-thirds of the messages because their Subjects are sufficiently informative... you'd still need half a standard work-week (not including pee-breaks and lunches) to go through the possibles. If there's a way to grep the whole archive or at least the month-by-month archives, or some other way to search the message bodies without individually opening them, then it should be summarized at the top of the Archive pages. Remember, many of us are either newbies or only mildly enthusiastic users (i.e., people with day-jobs who don't have the option to fritter away the hours tinkering with our desktop software -- yes, some of us in this list are -- shudder! gasp! not actually programmers), so we don't necessarily come with years of command-line knowledge. **You** might be able to type a single line at the bash prompt that: - goes to the url, - opens all the associated message files, - searches them for a string, - copies every message that contains the string to a buffer, and - presents it for leisurely viewing with the keywords highlighted. Many of us, however, don't even know that it's possible, let alone how to do it. So, how DOES one efficiently search the archives for an issue that is not necessarily reflected in the thread title, and come up with the best answer that anybody has posted in the past year or two? And, for bonus points... how do you know when to stop searching? Since anybody can write an answer for anything, the first (most recent?) reply to a slightly relevant question might come from a relatively inexperienced person, and be very inefficient, compared to an answer that was posted last September by a guru... with, of course, a completely different Subject line... Anyway, my vote is for: a) a proper search engine for the archives (which are growing at a frightening pace) or, b) a revelation by those who know, so that we can all use the "secret" search engine that already exists to do full-text searches. /kevin (tongue only slightly in cheek) On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 17:43, David Herman wrote:

On Friday 22 March 2002 02:13 pm, Rafael E. Herrera wrote:

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David Herman wrote:

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On Friday 22 March 2002 04:08 am, Rafael E. Herrera wrote:

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I posted a solution to the same problem early this year. Could you search the list archives?

I've often seen people suggest "searching the archives" I've tried this myself but I haven't found an actual search mechanism there, just monthly listings. :-(. Perhaps you could point it out for us.

On the other hand maybe you could give a Time frame so he wouldn't have to sift through all 15,000 messages since the beginning of the year. Even viewing 1 month's worth of messages takes quite some time @ 56 k. For example I went to Dec 2000, and clicked sort by subject when I started this message, I'm a really slow typist, but the page is still loading.

Pardon my snippy reply but I hate it when I I look for "hamburger" in the phone book and it tells me to look under "burgers, ham" rather than just giving the answer.

Well, if you would have actually tried you would have found the solution I posted.

Well, if you would have actually read my mail you would know I hadn't posted the question in the first place. I was mainly commenting that The archives aren't particularly search friendly, and that it is as easy to post an answer you know as to tell someone to go look for it.

-- Kevin McLauchlan Chrysalis-ITS, Inc. "Ultimate Trust(TM)"

* Christopher Mahmood; <ckm@suse.com> on 25 Mar, 2002 wrote:

* Kevin McLauchlan (kmclauchlan@chrysalis-its.com) [020325 09:57]:

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Speaking of the archives... is there a way (I haven't seen it) to search message content?

Please see the FAQ.

Please See the Unofficial SuSE FAQ http://dinamizm.ath.cx Current Unofficial SuSE FAQ Mirror List ========================================= http://toganm.tripod.com http://susefaq.sourceforge.net http://www.smaug42.com/susefaq http://www.bmtsolutions.com/suse_faq/index.html http://www.jon.fl.net.au/suse/unofficial-faq http://www.e-vega.info/mirrors/suse/ -- Togan Muftuoglu Unofficial SuSE FAQ Maintainer

Christopher, Y'know, if Togan had not pointed out the UNOFFICIAL FAQ in the next reply (which arrived 20 minutes later), I would have had NO idea that that was what you were referring to. As it is, I spent twenty minutes looking in obvious places for the official FAQ (like the SuSE site, specifically the Support pages, and their HowTos and FAQs, and I tried the FAQ link at the bottom of list messages, where I learned wonderfully important stuff about how to pronounce SuSE and whether SuSE is publicly traded. So anyway, I came back and looked (after that 20 minutes of useless futzing -- well, not quite useless, as I found a new technical FAQ that was not there the last time I visited the Support FAQ...) and saw Togan's message. So, not to be ungrateful or anything, but Togan's message was a more helpful reply than yours. This leaves another question. Is there a link to that unofficial FAQ in a prominent place that I've been overlooking? If there's an official FAQ, other than the "How do you pronounce SuSE..." then maybe that should be displayed. Or, maybe Togan's FAQ link should be at the bottom of every message. I don't read every message in [SLE]. I don't have that many hours in my days. By the way, silly me, I've got about 10,000 [SLE] messages saved locally, and I did not do a search on them for "faq". Why? You ask? Well, because "faq" appears at the bottom of all 10,000 of them, so I thought it might be a bit redundant to search... Thanks, /kevin (confused, as always) On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 12:58, Christopher Mahmood wrote:

* Kevin McLauchlan (kmclauchlan@chrysalis-its.com) [020325 09:57]:

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Speaking of the archives... is there a way (I haven't seen it) to search message content?

Please see the FAQ.

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-ckm

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* Kevin McLauchlan (kmclauchlan@chrysalis-its.com) [020325 14:22]:

I tried the FAQ link at the bottom of list messages, where I learned wonderfully important stuff about how to pronounce SuSE and whether SuSE is publicly traded.

Er, yeah, that's less than useful. Removed.

So, not to be ungrateful or anything, but Togan's message was a more helpful reply than yours.

That's because Togan is a much nicer person than I am.

This leaves another question. Is there a link to that unofficial FAQ in a prominent place that I've been overlooking? If there's an official FAQ, other than the "How do you pronounce SuSE..." then maybe that should be displayed. Or, maybe Togan's FAQ link should be at the bottom of every message.

Well, I assume that people who subscribe read the information they are sent in the welcome message that tells you how to retrieve the faq, messages from the archive, unsubscribe from another address, etc. Every message that comes to you from our lists says to send a mail to listname-help@suse.com to learn about the other commands as well. I assume this even though much of my day is spent responding to bounces people forward me (often with rude comments) and similar things caused by their failing to read the stuff that is accessible through the other commands.

By the way, silly me, I've got about 10,000 [SLE] messages saved locally, and I did not do a search on them for "faq". Why? You ask? Well, because "faq" appears at the bottom of all 10,000 of them, so I thought it might be a bit redundant to search...

It doesn't anymore. -- -ckm

On Friday 22 March 2002 02:13 pm, Rafael E. Herrera wrote:

David Herman wrote:

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On Friday 22 March 2002 04:08 am, Rafael E. Herrera wrote:

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I posted a solution to the same problem early this year. Could you search the list archives?

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I've often seen people suggest "searching the archives" ---------------snip-------------------- Pardon my snippy reply but I hate it when I I look for "hamburger" in the phone book and it tells me to look under "burger, ham" rather than just giving the answer.

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Well, if you would have actually tried you would have found the solution I posted.

Well, if you would have actually read my mail you would know I hadn't posted the question in the first place. I was mainly commenting that The archives aren't particularly search friendly,

Sorry to re-reply to my own post, I just want to appologize for my bitchy reply to your bitchy reply before a flame war erupts. 2 people replied to my post thinking I had asked a question and was not willing to do research on my own. As I said before I was commenting about the lack of a search function in the archives, the question itself was not of particular interest to me.

At 04:58 PM 3/22/2002 -0800, you wrote:

* David Herman (ob1@yifan.net) [020322 16:41]:

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to do research on my own. As I said before I was commenting about the lack of a search function in the archives, the question itself was not of particular interest to me.

Until there's free software that can handle the +6GB of archives just prefix your google search with '[SLE]' (or whatever list).

I still cannot belive there's not software available for this. What about that one called mnoGO? What do these people use: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/ ? ---------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Wilson System Administrator Clickpatrol.com Cedar Creek Software http://www.cedarcreeksoftware.com

Given ASUS A7V with a 750mhz Tbird iow, an x86 for all intents and measures. Question: CAN I install MAC OS X on the system and then install SuSE 8.0 over it ? will this run? will this combo run both MAC and Doze software? Point is, I really want to get all possible M$ software off of it to include the OS and yet, still be able to run certain s/w that has not yet been ported to either MAC or Linux. example is Forte/Dazler's Agent email and newsgroup reader client. thanks chas ...

On a mac, SuSE and OSX can be installed in dual boot. Mac programs can be run in MOL (mac on linux) I don't know about running wine or anything like that. will

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:08:00 -0500 "Rafael E. Herrera" <raffo@neuronet.pitt.edu> wrote:

I posted a solution to the same problem early this year. Could you search the list archives?

Rafael, I have been fiddling w/ the solution that you had posted earlier this year, and went thru the SuSE Support DB as well. The first part, getting yast2 to stop griping about the CD version *is* covered in the SDB, and is basically as simple as copying the .S.u.S.E-disk* file from the DVD to /var/adm/current_package_descr and overwriting what is there (for those of you joining us late). What I did not get working is to get yast2 to accept the change of installation medium from local CD to a networked directory (mounted DVD). Actually, I'll correct that. Somewhere along the line I was trying to fudge on the fix to the first part, and mounted first /var/adm/current_package_descr, and then just /var/adm via NFS. Worked pretty well as far as getting yast2 to not gripe about the version, but still popped up a message that I needed to enter CD1 (which I didn't). It also made the settings for changing the install medium actually stick for a change. But once I unmounted /var/adm, since the other stuff wasn't working, it broke again How do I get yast2 to accept changes to the install medium?!? TIA, Monte -- All right, breaks over. Back on your heads!! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

This is a modified version of my January posting: The index of packages for each installation medium is located in: /var/adm/current_package_descr The files in my computer after having used the DVD are: /var/adm/current_package_descr # ls -R . .: .S.u.S.E-disk-001.2001100117 suse/ ./suse: setup ./suse/setup: descr du suse/setup/descr: . Kde.sel SuSE-Documentation.sel english.ser .. LAMP.sel common.pkd info Devel.sel Minimal+X11.sel common.ser update.in_ Dmz.sel Minimal.sel default.sel zzz_Alles.sel Games.sel Multimedia.sel en_US.pkd Gnome.sel Network.sel en_US.ser Kde-Desktop.sel Standard.sel english.pkd suse/setup/du: du.dir If you used the CD-ROMs, you'll see: /var/adm/current_package_descr # ls -Ra .: .S.u.S.E-disk-001.2001100111 suse ./suse: setup ./suse/setup: descr du ./suse/setup/descr: . Kde.sel SuSE-Documentation.sel english.ser .. LAMP.sel common.pkd info Devel.sel Minimal+X11.sel common.ser update.in_ Dmz.sel Minimal.sel default.sel zzz_Alles.sel Games.sel Multimedia.sel en_US.pkd Gnome.sel Network.sel en_US.ser Kde-Desktop.sel Standard.sel english.pkd ./suse/setup/du: du.dir Since you want to mount the DVD as a network medium, make sure the corresponding files are located in /var/adm/current_package_descr. The files are located in /[cdrom or dvd]/.S.u.S.E-disk-001.* and /[cdrom or dvd]/suse/setup Now, I'm assuming you are exporting the DVD via NFS. You should make sure that the DVD is mounted before you start the NFS server. For example: 1. Turn off the NFS server: rcnfsserver stop 2. Add the directory where you mounted the DVD in the /etc/exports file. E.g. /media/dvd \ 192.168.0.0/16(ro,squash_uids=0-100,squash_gids=0-100) (replace the network address with what's appropriate for your network) 3. Mount the DVD. 4. Turn NFS on: rcnfsserver start 5. Start Yast2 and in the "Software" panel, click on "Change source of installation" 6. Select "Network" and fill the IP number and directory where the DVD is mounted (/media/dvd). Click "Save and Exit" 7. Now try to install any package. I just verified most of this on my own computer (except that I copied the contents of the DVD to the harddisk and exported the directory) and verified that it works. P.S. If you are not using NFS, skip 1, 2, 4 and in 6 select instead "Harddisk" and fill it with /media/dvd. -- Rafael