jdd wrote:

Primm wrote:

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Hi everyone

Under KDE in 10.2 I can 'safely remove' a disk by right clicking upon its icon. Is there a command line version to do the same? In any case what does it actually do? Can't I just pull the plug and walk away with it?

Cheers and a happy new year to all from Steve.

sync?

jdd

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On Thursday 11 January 2007 13:03, Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Thursday 2007-01-11 at 12:44 +0100, Primm wrote:

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Under KDE in 10.2 I can 'safely remove' a disk by right clicking upon its icon. Is there a command line version to do the same? In any case what does it actually do? Can't I just pull the plug and walk away with it?

If you mounted it using the command line, then umount it by command line.

If mounted automatically using kde or gnome, tell kde or gnome to umount it. It should be safe to unplug directly (unless you are using nosync mode), if you wait for some indication that the disk has finished writing, but I never trust it.

-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

Hi Carlos y feliz año a ti y a todos. No. I don't mount it at the command line. It always appears under /media/disk when I plug it in so it seems that I have no choice as to where it is mounted. I tried under yast to mount it as a name rather than a device but that didn't work. It doesn't really matter as I always seems to work by just pulling the cable. I just wantead an equivalent of what KDE does in it' 'remove safely' option just to make sure. Cheers Steve. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Use sync at the command line before pulling the plug. This causes all buffers to be written to all disks.

Is the sync the same as the sync on NFS? As in setting async make the network run at a reasonable speed? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Primm wrote:

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Use sync at the command line before pulling the plug. This causes all buffers to be written to all disks.

Is the sync the same as the sync on NFS? As in setting async make the network run at a reasonable speed?

In a sense it is. Like NFS, the USB stick it updates the directory structure, I am not sure if before or after, when it writes a sector up. In nfs, it is similiar, in that it guarantees that the nfs directory are updated with the data over the network. I could be wrong about this, though. -- Joseph Loo jloo@acm.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rami Michael wrote:

I would always "dismount" the drive peoperly as this should ensure that will data was written to it properly. While I have never had an issue just pulling the plug, its tthe same as just turning your comp off without shutting down.

On 1/12/07, Joseph Loo wrote:

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Use sync at the command line before pulling the plug. This causes all buffers to be written to all disks.

Is the sync the same as the sync on NFS? As in setting async make

Primm wrote: the network

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run at a reasonable speed?

In a sense it is. Like NFS, the USB stick it updates the directory structure, I am not sure if before or after, when it writes a sector up. In nfs, it is similiar, in that it guarantees that the nfs directory are updated with the data over the network. I could be wrong about this, though.

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If the sync is on, and it is not clear that 10.1 and 10.2 has it on, the sync ensures that the disk is in proper state. Thus, if you let it complete the write operation, the command prompt command, it is equivalent yu doing an immediate sync command. -- Joseph Loo jloo@acm.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 11 January 2007 13:45, Primm said:

No. I don't mount it at the command line. It always appears under /media/disk when I plug it in so it seems that I have no choice as to where it is mounted. I tried under yast to mount it as a name rather than a device but that didn't work. It doesn't really matter as I always seems to work by just pulling the cable. I just wantead an equivalent of what KDE does in it' 'remove safely' option just to make sure.

It would be nice if there was a desktop independent suite of commands for an unprivileged user to mount and unmount removable media, but the best I know of would be something like 'qdbus --system org.freedesktop.Hal /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_38f4262e_21f4_4fa5_b409_fd942e92d51d' and then figuring out the Hal dbus api to tell it to do what you want. However under KDE 3 the command line syntax is a bit easier, to drive the KDE media management system as if you were selecting 'Safely Remove' from the UI. First 'dcop kded mediamanager fullList' for the list of media attached to the system. Then something like 'dcop kded mediamanager unmount /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_38f4262e_21f4_4fa5_b409_fd942e92d51d' where the last argument is the volume ID corresponding to the disk you want to sync and umount. Unfortunately /media/disk doesn't work here, you have to look up the ID mounted there using ... fullList and then pass that to ... unmount. Enterprising souls can write a wrapper script to do this in one step. HTH Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-01-11 at 05:45 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:

Well, I've been repeatedly told I'm wrong, but for the past year or so - on pretty much a daily basis - I've just been taking the thing out of the socket and letting SUSE take care of the rest.

SuSE can't take care of the rest - as the "rest" is not plugged. It's no longer "your suse" problem, but the next machine's problem :-p

Not had a problem yet (/me knocks on head).

You have been lucky - and the luck is helped by waiting a bit before unplugging. The defaults are thought precisely for that use, unplugging right away... but there is no warranty, no insurance. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFpliKtTMYHG2NR9URAl0yAJ9AN+3SF6pcQ3kbmo77epEm57m6PQCfcz+k nCI6IO/XcKCCzbHqHdTK/2M= =PBE4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 11 January 2007 8:45 am, Kai Ponte wrote:

On Thursday 11 January 2007 03:44, Primm wrote:

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Under KDE in 10.2 I can 'safely remove' a disk by right clicking upon its icon. Is there a command line version to do the same? In any case what does it actually do?

I think it does the same thing as when you manually issue the umount command.

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Can't I just pull the plug and walk away with it?

In most cases, yes. However, since the "remove safely" option is available, I think it is best to use it.

Well, I've been repeatedly told I'm wrong, but for the past year or so - on pretty much a daily basis - I've just been taking the thing out of the socket and letting SUSE take care of the rest.

My opinion is that it only takes an extra second to click "remove safely," so why not have the extra assurance that everything is written and synced properly. Bryan **************************************** Powered by Mepis Linux 6.0 KDE 3.5.3 KMail 1.9.3 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net **************************************** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 14 January 2007 22:17, Kai Ponte wrote:

On Thursday 11 January 2007 10:48, Bryan S. Tyson wrote:

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On Thursday 11 January 2007 8:45 am, Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Thursday 11 January 2007 03:44, Primm wrote:

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Under KDE in 10.2 I can 'safely remove' a disk by right clicking upon its icon. Is there a command line version to do the same? In any case what does it actually do?

I think it does the same thing as when you manually issue the umount command.

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Can't I just pull the plug and walk away with it?

In most cases, yes. However, since the "remove safely" option is available, I think it is best to use it.

Where is this "remove safely" option? I am not sure what you are using. Is it part of the CLI?

Right click on a mounted USB disk and you should get a 'remove safely' option. That's what I get on oss 10.2+updates.

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Well, I've been repeatedly told I'm wrong, but for the past year or so - on pretty much a daily basis - I've just been taking the thing out of the socket and letting SUSE take care of the rest.

My opinion is that it only takes an extra second to click "remove safely," so why not have the extra assurance that everything is written and synced properly.

Hmmm...must be missing something.

I can post a screenshot of my right click menu if you want? Cheers Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Kai Ponte [01-15-07 21:39]: [...]

Where would I find the icon for the USB disk?

With the usb-disk connected, look on your desktop and/or 'my computer'. or, in /media/... or, konqueror, media:/ -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 14 January 2007 5:17 pm, Kai Ponte wrote:

Where is this "remove safely" option? I am not sure what you are using. Is it part of the CLI? Hmmm...must be missing something.

Right-click its icon. Bryan **************************************** Powered by Mepis Linux 6.0 KDE 3.5.3 KMail 1.9.3 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net **************************************** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott wrote:

Primm wrote:

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Hi everyone

Under KDE in 10.2 I can 'safely remove' a disk by right clicking upon its icon. Is there a command line version to do the same? In any case what does it actually do? Can't I just pull the plug and walk away with it?

First, that's only a concern if you've written to it. Also, it's safe, if it's been a long time after writing to it.

Generally, under SUSE 10, the USB stick is mounted with sync. You can just pull it out once the write has been completed. It is also the reason, writing to the USB stick, is so slow and possibly reducing the life of the USB stick. This is caused by sync updating the FAT table all the time. Since the number of writes are limited to the number times, you could psosibly wear out the FAT area. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-01-12 at 08:22 +0200, Hans van der Merwe wrote:

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Generally, under SUSE 10, the USB stick is mounted with sync. You can just pull it out once the write has been completed. It is also the reason, writing to the USB stick, is so slow and possibly reducing the life of the USB stick. This is caused by sync updating the FAT table all the time. Since the number of writes are limited to the number times, you could psosibly wear out the FAT area.

This is apparently only true for FAT16, not FAT32 en EXT.

¿Why so? FAT32 is almost the same thing as FAT16, but with different sizes for some tables and data (metadata). You still need to update the fat area after writing any new file or modifying its size, so yes, write operations concentrate on that region of memory. Whether that stresses the device or cause premature ageing, I can't say. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFqD8HtTMYHG2NR9URAtEVAJ90VrAG6g7hg9WBfxVZiOIVHK521ACfXmii MeOu4qob2um7zrfvNLNYiTc= =NDWr -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----