Re: [SuSE Linux] 2 issues
* Jerry Lynn Kreps (jlkreps@navix.net) [990428 20:57]:
landie wrote:
first when I dial via kppp to ISP I get daemon died unexpectedly, I tried their solution on commenting out the lock line in /etc/PPP/options but still no luck.
Are you still getting this specific error message after commenting this line? Are you certain it is so commented? Are you getting different symptoms now?
any ideas what else it could be when I dial via minicom I have no problem.
To diagnose this, more information is needed. Open up an xterm. 'su' to root. run the command 'tail -f /var/log/messages'. Try to use kppp. You should get all kinds of useful output in the xterm window. Post this here.
as root do a "chmod a+s /usr/sbin/pppd
Please do _NOT_ do this. pppd is arleady suid root. Any user in the 'dialout' group should be able to run it. Any user who can run kppp can also run it. The chmod commad above simply will make the command 'set groupid' and 'sticky'. This confers no advatages and could concievably make trouble for you in the future.
Edit /etc/permissions and change the permission on pppd to 7555 so YaST doesn't change it every time YaST runs.
Again, do not do this. This will give any and all users on your system access to a setuid program. If you don't care about security at all, you could give everyone the root password and not worry about permissions, but otherwise I don't recommend this.
**************************************************** I tried running executables files such as 3dchess and other and when I double click on them nothing happens??
*******************************************************
a possibility: you may not be running your xwindow at the correct resolution (it may need an 8 bit mapping and you could be running 16 or 24, or visa-versa).
This is certainly one possibility. There may be others. Try running the programs from the command line, you are much more likely to see any error messages. Best of luck, -josh -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archive at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
Josh Rodman wrote:
* Jerry Lynn Kreps (jlkreps@navix.net) [990428 20:57]:
landie wrote:
first when I dial via kppp to ISP I get daemon died unexpectedly, I tried their solution on commenting out the lock line in /etc/PPP/options but still no luck.
Are you still getting this specific error message after commenting this line? Are you certain it is so commented? Are you getting different symptoms now?
any ideas what else it could be when I dial via minicom I have no problem.
To diagnose this, more information is needed. Open up an xterm. 'su' to root. run the command 'tail -f /var/log/messages'. Try to use kppp. You should get all kinds of useful output in the xterm window. Post this here.
as root do a "chmod a+s /usr/sbin/pppd
Please do _NOT_ do this. pppd is arleady suid root. Any user in the 'dialout' group should be able to run it. Any user who can run kppp can
The 's' attribute doesn't appear in the permissions settings until I suid it, so how can you tell it is already suid root... because dialout is supposed to be?
also run it. The chmod commad above simply will make the command 'set groupid' and 'sticky'. This confers no advatages and could concievably make trouble for you in the future.
My /usr/sbin/pppd is root:dialout. pppd would only work properly when I 'chmod a+s pppd'. Every time a ran YaST it took the suid off and Kppp wouldn't work until I put it on again.
Edit /etc/permissions and change the permission on pppd to 7555 so YaST doesn't change it every time YaST runs.
This certainly prevents YaST from taking the suid off of pppd so I don't have to manual reset it every time I run YaST. So, since you think these two items are problems, why do you suppose that as a user I can't get pppd to be fired by Kppp unless I suid it?
Again, do not do this. This will give any and all users on your system access to a setuid program. If you don't care about security at all, you could give everyone the root password and not worry about permissions, but otherwise I don't recommend this.
Best of luck,
-josh
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Josh Rodman wrote:
* Jerry Lynn Kreps (jlkreps@navix.net) [990428 20:57]:
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as root do a "chmod a+s /usr/sbin/pppd
Please do _NOT_ do this. pppd is arleady suid root. Any user in the 'dialout' group should be able to run it. Any user who can run kppp can also run it. The chmod commad above simply will make the command 'set groupid' and 'sticky'. This confers no advatages and could concievably make trouble for you in the future.
Does every user that will run pppd have to be put in the dialout group?
Edit /etc/permissions and change the permission on pppd to 7555 so YaST doesn't change it every time YaST runs.
Again, do not do this. This will give any and all users on your system access to a setuid program. If you don't care about security at all, you could give everyone the root password and not worry about permissions, but otherwise I don't recommend this.
I started out with the install settings on pppd. You say that pppd is suid root already. If that setting is indicated by an 's' in the permissions area then my pppd was not suid root because the 's' tag wasn't in the permissions until I 'chmod a+s pppd' as root. (Couldn't do it unless I was root). I checked my group settings. Root is in the user list for the dialout group, but no other users are. In /dev, what should the permission flags and owner:user settings be for ttyS0, modem, etc.? -- JLK Linux, because it's STABLE, the source code is included, the price is right. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archive at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
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Quoting landie on Sun, May 02, 1999 at 10:28:39PM -0400:
can someone please help me install gnome
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If you have the gnome rpm files from ftp.suse.com, you can use YAST I would think. You probably should remove all the early stuff that ships with SuSE 6.0 though. Gnome is confusing enough without having 0.30 libs hanging around. I moved all the rpms into a separate directory once and just did a rpm -Uvh *rpm. This got the job done for the German rpms. It was kinda fun watching rpm do almost 25 files. Im not sure the SuSE approved way of doing a gnome install; so I usually just do one big rpm command on things like gnome. -- Michael Perry mperry@basin.com ---------------------- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archive at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
Seriously, I would try the KDE desktop. I like it much better. Michael Tackett landie wrote:
can someone please help me install gnome
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It's not my intention to spark a flame-war....but I think it should be up to each individual to choose which desktop is best. While you prefer KDE, I myself find it to be much slower than GNOME....and I like the design of most of the GNOME applications better. I DO use some Qt apps...but only the ones I like (licq for instance). That's the great thing about linux...I can pick and choose whatever I like without regard to what desktop package it "belongs" to. Rick Thompson
-----Original Message----- From: owner-suse-linux-e@suse.com [<A HREF="mailto:owner-suse-linux-e@suse.com]On">mailto:owner-suse-linux-e@suse.com]On</A> Behalf Of Michael Tackett Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 4:44 AM To: landie Cc: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SuSE Linux] gnome
Seriously, I would try the KDE desktop. I like it much better.
Michael Tackett
landie wrote:
can someone
please help me install gnome
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No argument here. I didn't know if the person was familiar with KDE, and was merely pointing it out as an alternative. Use whatever works for you. BTW, are there any KDE/Qt mailing lists? Michael Tackett Rick Thompson wrote:
It's not my intention to spark a flame-war....but I think it should be up to each individual to choose which desktop is best. While you prefer KDE, I myself find it to be much slower than GNOME....and I like the design of most of the GNOME applications better. I DO use some Qt apps...but only the ones I like (licq for instance). That's the great thing about linux...I can pick and choose whatever I like without regard to what desktop package it "belongs" to.
Rick Thompson
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Seriously, I would try the KDE desktop. I like it much better.
Michael Tackett
landie wrote:
can someone
please help me install gnome
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Hey Josh! Thanks for setting me straight on this pppd business! I logged into root and added my user name to the dialout group. Then I took the suid off of pppd. When I logged back in under by user name and fired Kppp it triggered pppd without any problems. I've had it set wrong all these many months.... I guess I'm still in the rookie class. Thanks! Jerry Josh Rodman wrote:
* Jerry Lynn Kreps (jlkreps@navix.net) [990428 20:57]:
landie wrote:
first when I dial via kppp to ISP I get daemon died unexpectedly, I tried their solution on commenting out the lock line in /etc/PPP/options but still no luck.
Are you still getting this specific error message after commenting this line? Are you certain it is so commented? Are you getting different symptoms now?
any ideas what else it could be when I dial via minicom I have no problem.
To diagnose this, more information is needed. Open up an xterm. 'su' to root. run the command 'tail -f /var/log/messages'. Try to use kppp. You should get all kinds of useful output in the xterm window. Post this here.
as root do a "chmod a+s /usr/sbin/pppd
Please do _NOT_ do this. pppd is arleady suid root. Any user in the 'dialout' group should be able to run it. Any user who can run kppp can also run it. The chmod commad above simply will make the command 'set groupid' and 'sticky'. This confers no advatages and could concievably make trouble for you in the future.
Edit /etc/permissions and change the permission on pppd to 7555 so YaST doesn't change it every time YaST runs.
Again, do not do this. This will give any and all users on your system access to a setuid program. If you don't care about security at all, you could give everyone the root password and not worry about permissions, but otherwise I don't recommend this.
**************************************************** I tried running executables files such as 3dchess and other and when I double click on them nothing happens??
*******************************************************
a possibility: you may not be running your xwindow at the correct resolution (it may need an 8 bit mapping and you could be running 16 or 24, or visa-versa).
This is certainly one possibility. There may be others. Try running the programs from the command line, you are much more likely to see any error messages.
Best of luck,
-josh
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